Disappearing Ships

Imagine this hypothetical situation: there are two ships in the middle of the pacific ocean.  One of the ships begins to sail east, while the other remains stationary.  Why is it that, after it has traveled about 12 miles, the traveling ship disappears from the sight of the stationary ship?  Even with binoculars or a telescope, it is impossible to see the traveling ship from the stationary ship.  Can you flat earthers explain this phenomena?  To me, the only logical explanation seems to be the curvature of the earth.

Imagine this hypothetical situation: there are two ships in the middle of the pacific ocean.  One of the ships begins to sail east, while the other remains stationary.  Why is it that, after it has traveled about 12 miles, the traveling ship disappears from the sight of the stationary ship?  Even with binoculars or a telescope, it is impossible to see the traveling ship from the stationary ship.  Can you flat earthers explain this phenomena?  To me, the only logical explanation seems to be the curvature of the earth.

It is actually quite simple. The further something is away, the smaller it is going to appear. If something is going to be 12 miles away, it is going to appear extremely small. Like, really small.

Because of this, it is really quite easy for something closer to you to be blocking it since it appears bigger. Something like a wave.

Quote from: HornPiper on October 26, 2010, 04:33:12 PM

Imagine this hypothetical situation: there are two ships in the middle of the pacific ocean.  One of the ships begins to sail east, while the other remains stationary.  Why is it that, after it has traveled about 12 miles, the traveling ship disappears from the sight of the stationary ship?  Even with binoculars or a telescope, it is impossible to see the traveling ship from the stationary ship.  Can you flat earthers explain this phenomena?  To me, the only logical explanation seems to be the curvature of the earth.

It is actually quite simple. The further something is away, the smaller it is going to appear. If something is going to be 12 miles away, it is going to appear extremely small. Like, really small.

Because of this, it is really quite easy for something closer to you to be blocking it since it appears bigger. Something like a wave.

Do draw us an accurate diagram this time. Of course, you'll find you can't. FEers, still trying old and dis-proven tactics after all of these years.

Quote from: HornPiper on October 26, 2010, 04:33:12 PM

Imagine this hypothetical situation: there are two ships in the middle of the pacific ocean.  One of the ships begins to sail east, while the other remains stationary.  Why is it that, after it has traveled about 12 miles, the traveling ship disappears from the sight of the stationary ship?  Even with binoculars or a telescope, it is impossible to see the traveling ship from the stationary ship.  Can you flat earthers explain this phenomena?  To me, the only logical explanation seems to be the curvature of the earth.

It is actually quite simple. The further something is away, the smaller it is going to appear. If something is going to be 12 miles away, it is going to appear extremely small. Like, really small.

Because of this, it is really quite easy for something closer to you to be blocking it since it appears bigger. Something like a wave.

Answer under the assumption he has binoculars or a telescope. 

Quote from: HornPiper on October 26, 2010, 04:33:12 PM

Imagine this hypothetical situation: there are two ships in the middle of the pacific ocean.  One of the ships begins to sail east, while the other remains stationary.  Why is it that, after it has traveled about 12 miles, the traveling ship disappears from the sight of the stationary ship?  Even with binoculars or a telescope, it is impossible to see the traveling ship from the stationary ship.  Can you flat earthers explain this phenomena?  To me, the only logical explanation seems to be the curvature of the earth.

It is actually quite simple. The further something is away, the smaller it is going to appear. If something is going to be 12 miles away, it is going to appear extremely small. Like, really small.

Because of this, it is really quite easy for something closer to you to be blocking it since it appears bigger. Something like a wave.

But as long as your line of sight is above the wave crest height, waves will also get visually smaller so will not be blocking the target object.

Berny
Been there done that

The Universal Accelerator and bendy light answers this quite readily.

pray tell how bendy light explains this

Bendy light gives the appearance of curvature, so when something, in this case your ship moves beyond a certain point, the generated optical illusion causes it to appear as if it has sunken below the horizon.

Your binoculars or telescope don't magically make the light straighter, so it wouldn't make the ship suddenly appear.

Bendy light gives the appearance of curvature, so when something, in this case your ship moves beyond a certain point, the generated optical illusion causes it to appear as if it has sunken below the horizon.

Your binoculars or telescope don't magically make the light straighter, so it wouldn't make the ship suddenly appear.

Can it be recreated experimentally?

Berny
Watching the Tudors

It could, but its not like you'd believe me.

Bendy light gives the appearance of curvature, so when something, in this case your ship moves beyond a certain point, the generated optical illusion causes it to appear as if it has sunken below the horizon.

Your binoculars or telescope don't magically make the light straighter, so it wouldn't make the ship suddenly appear.

Prove bendy light exists with peer reviewed data.

Quote from: jeffro12 on October 26, 2010, 05:59:57 PM

Bendy light gives the appearance of curvature, so when something, in this case your ship moves beyond a certain point, the generated optical illusion causes it to appear as if it has sunken below the horizon.

Your binoculars or telescope don't magically make the light straighter, so it wouldn't make the ship suddenly appear.

Prove bendy light exists with peer reviewed data.

Because without peer review data bendy light would cease to exist? 

Quote from: jeffro12 on October 26, 2010, 05:59:57 PM

Bendy light gives the appearance of curvature, so when something, in this case your ship moves beyond a certain point, the generated optical illusion causes it to appear as if it has sunken below the horizon.

Your binoculars or telescope don't magically make the light straighter, so it wouldn't make the ship suddenly appear.

Prove bendy light exists with peer reviewed data.

If you actually read around the forum, there are plenty instances in which bendy light is shown in peer review to exist.  Do you have peer reviewed experiments that show beyong a shadow of a doubt that it cannot exist in response to those?

Quote from: Danukenator123 on October 26, 2010, 06:21:00 PM

Quote from: jeffro12 on October 26, 2010, 05:59:57 PM

Bendy light gives the appearance of curvature, so when something, in this case your ship moves beyond a certain point, the generated optical illusion causes it to appear as if it has sunken below the horizon.

Your binoculars or telescope don't magically make the light straighter, so it wouldn't make the ship suddenly appear.

Prove bendy light exists with peer reviewed data.

Because without peer review data bendy light would cease to exist? 

  How can you cease something existence which don't yet exist? You have at first show that it exist which no one have done yet. You all only talk about it but to actually show some bent light ray... no, never.

Quote from: EnglshGentleman on October 26, 2010, 06:22:08 PM

Quote from: Danukenator123 on October 26, 2010, 06:21:00 PM

Quote from: jeffro12 on October 26, 2010, 05:59:57 PM

Bendy light gives the appearance of curvature, so when something, in this case your ship moves beyond a certain point, the generated optical illusion causes it to appear as if it has sunken below the horizon.

Your binoculars or telescope don't magically make the light straighter, so it wouldn't make the ship suddenly appear.

Prove bendy light exists with peer reviewed data.

Because without peer review data bendy light would cease to exist? 

  How can you cease something existence which don't yet exist? You have at first show that it exist which no one have done yet. You all only talk about it but to actually show some bent light ray... no, never.

Things do not suddenly pop into existence when you find them. Are you suggesting that the majority of stars in the visible universe (the light from them anyway) popped into existence once we got the telescopes powerful enough to see them? To think so is asinine.

Things do not suddenly pop into existence when you find them. Are you suggesting that the majority of stars in the visible universe (the light from them anyway) popped into existence once we got the telescopes powerful enough to see them? To think so is asinine.

  And things don't start existing just because you say so. There is no use to start philosophizing over the existence of things if they exist when we see them or not. Thing is, the bendy light as the FE theorizes doesn't exist. It's still just theory without anything to back it up.

Quote from: EnglshGentleman on October 27, 2010, 12:18:35 AM

Things do not suddenly pop into existence when you find them. Are you suggesting that the majority of stars in the visible universe (the light from them anyway) popped into existence once we got the telescopes powerful enough to see them? To think so is asinine.

  And things don't start existing just because you say so. There is no use to start philosophizing over the existence of things if they exist when we see them or not. Thing is, the bendy light as the FE theorizes doesn't exist. It's still just theory without anything to back it up.

Germs must not had existed when germ theory was in it's infancy too, eh?

This is a fairly basic query rather than a detailed critique of FET, so I'm moving it to Q&A.

Of course, the conclusion that our ancestors (correctly, may I add) reached using the evidence available to them was that we live on a spherical planet.  Assuming a weird light effect is merely conjecture.

Germs must not had existed when germ theory was in it's infancy too, eh?

And all kind of mystical creatures and things which people just thought up must surely exist because no one just have ever seen them, eh? It's not about the possibility of the existence but if it really exist or not. If you are so sure that it exist then don't bring all kind of analogies up but show something that can convince others that the light really bends as the EA theorizes. If it is only talk then it just doesn't have very much value.

Quote from: EnglshGentleman on October 26, 2010, 04:36:51 PM

Quote from: HornPiper on October 26, 2010, 04:33:12 PM

Imagine this hypothetical situation: there are two ships in the middle of the pacific ocean.  One of the ships begins to sail east, while the other remains stationary.  Why is it that, after it has traveled about 12 miles, the traveling ship disappears from the sight of the stationary ship?  Even with binoculars or a telescope, it is impossible to see the traveling ship from the stationary ship.  Can you flat earthers explain this phenomena?  To me, the only logical explanation seems to be the curvature of the earth.

It is actually quite simple. The further something is away, the smaller it is going to appear. If something is going to be 12 miles away, it is going to appear extremely small. Like, really small.

Because of this, it is really quite easy for something closer to you to be blocking it since it appears bigger. Something like a wave.

Answer under the assumption he has binoculars or a telescope. 

A very good point! Yet sadly, trolls don't make assumptions, unless they fit perfectly into their troll like schemes.
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I think it's relatively easy to prove Bendy Light exists.
You get some phenomena not explained by a Round earth, and then you explain it with the benly light thing.

I think it's relatively easy to prove Bendy Light exists.
You get some phenomena not explained by a Round earth, and then you explain it with the benly light thing.

It's not proving. It's assuming without any actual evidence.

I think it's relatively easy to prove Bendy Light exists.
You get some phenomena not explained by a Round earth, and then you explain it with the benly light thing.

Examples of "phenomena not explained by a Round earth" would be nice, if you'd like to be taken seriously...

Quote from: Danukenator123 on October 26, 2010, 06:21:00 PM

Quote from: jeffro12 on October 26, 2010, 05:59:57 PM

Bendy light gives the appearance of curvature, so when something, in this case your ship moves beyond a certain point, the generated optical illusion causes it to appear as if it has sunken below the horizon.

Your binoculars or telescope don't magically make the light straighter, so it wouldn't make the ship suddenly appear.

Prove bendy light exists with peer reviewed data.

Because without peer review data bendy light would cease to exist? 

Because with peer reviewed data, the fantasy of EAT would be disproved.

Quote from: HornPiper on October 26, 2010, 04:33:12 PM

Imagine this hypothetical situation: there are two ships in the middle of the pacific ocean.  One of the ships begins to sail east, while the other remains stationary.  Why is it that, after it has traveled about 12 miles, the traveling ship disappears from the sight of the stationary ship?  Even with binoculars or a telescope, it is impossible to see the traveling ship from the stationary ship.  Can you flat earthers explain this phenomena?  To me, the only logical explanation seems to be the curvature of the earth.

It is actually quite simple. The further something is away, the smaller it is going to appear. If something is going to be 12 miles away, it is going to appear extremely small. Like, really small.

Because of this, it is really quite easy for something closer to you to be blocking it since it appears bigger. Something like a wave.

So this theory depends on conveniently rogue waves?  That's just wild speculation. 

Quote from: EnglshGentleman on October 26, 2010, 04:36:51 PM

Quote from: HornPiper on October 26, 2010, 04:33:12 PM

Imagine this hypothetical situation: there are two ships in the middle of the pacific ocean.  One of the ships begins to sail east, while the other remains stationary.  Why is it that, after it has traveled about 12 miles, the traveling ship disappears from the sight of the stationary ship?  Even with binoculars or a telescope, it is impossible to see the traveling ship from the stationary ship.  Can you flat earthers explain this phenomena?  To me, the only logical explanation seems to be the curvature of the earth.

It is actually quite simple. The further something is away, the smaller it is going to appear. If something is going to be 12 miles away, it is going to appear extremely small. Like, really small.

Because of this, it is really quite easy for something closer to you to be blocking it since it appears bigger. Something like a wave.

So this theory depends on conveniently rogue waves?  That's just wild speculation. 

Oh and the rogue wave just happens to be the right size that any of many observers look at the ship. Right, what's next bendy light?

I would like to see the OP's proof that ships which appear to sink in this manner are not actually sinking.

I would like to see the OP's proof that ships which appear to sink in this manner are not actually sinking.

I'd like to see you stop this type of trolling.

I would like to see the OP's proof that ships which appear to sink in this manner are not actually sinking.

Because there is no SOS signal from these ships? And usually ships don't think so uniformly. The stern or stem goes up.