WARNING: Moon especially laughable this week

 Ichi, I quoted your group descriptions, what are these "test groups" what I must read additionally? If you just keep silence and don't explain then all your experiment goes down to that that you gave different amount of light to each group. And it is known fact that the plants need light for their life and depriving light from them is damaging.

Ichi, I quoted your group descriptions, what are these "test groups" what I must read additionally?

Quoting != reading. Now, chop chop.

Quote from: zork on September 27, 2010, 10:25:47 PM

Ichi, I quoted your group descriptions, what are these "test groups" what I must read additionally?

Quoting != reading. Now, chop chop.

Oh, the full moon got you too. Although, I am not very sad for it.

On the topic of the moon's effect on humans; In 1978, University of Miami psychologist Arnold Lieber wrote the book The Lunar Effect: Biological Tides and Human Emotions. He argued that the moon influences day-to-day behavior and concluded that homicides increased during the full moon after analyzing Miami's crime records.

On the topic of the moon's effect on humans; In 1978, University of Miami psychologist Arnold Lieber wrote the book The Lunar Effect: Biological Tides and Human Emotions. He argued that the moon influences day-to-day behavior and concluded that homicides increased during the full moon after analyzing Miami's crime records.

And that study was fully discredited. Reference: http://www.skepdic.com/fullmoon.html.

Many of the misconceptions about the moon's gravitational effect on the tides, as well as several other lunar misconceptions, seem to have been generated by Arnold Lieber in The Lunar Effect (1978), republished in 1996 as How the Moon Affects You. In The Lunar Effect, Lieber incorrectly predicted a catastrophic earthquake would hit California in 1982 due to the coincidental alignment of the moon and planets. Undeterred by the fact that no such earthquake had occurred, Lieber did not admit his error in the later book. In fact, he repeated his belief about the dangers of planet alignments and wrote that they "may trigger another great California earthquake." This time he didn't predict when.

http://www.innerself.com/Astrology/full_moon.htm

According to author Jason Townley Dr. Lieber's work was found to be accurate.

MURDER TIDES

At the University of Miami, psychologist Arnold Lieber and his colleagues decided to test the old belief of full-moon 'lunacy' which most scientists had written off as an old wives' tale. The researchers collected data on homicide in Dade County (Miami) over a period of 15 years - 1,887 murders, to be exact. When they matched the incidence of homicide with the phases of the moon, they found, much to their surprise, that the two rose and fell together, almost infallibly, for the entire 15 years! As the full or the new moon approached, the murder rate rose sharply; it distinctly declined during the first and last quarters of the moon.

To find out whether this was just a statistical fluke, the researchers repeated the experiment using murder data from Cuyahoga County in Ohio (Cleveland). Again, the statistics showed that more murders do indeed occur at the full and new moons.

Dr. Lieber and his colleagues shouldn?t have been so surprised. An earlier report by the American Institute of Medical Climatology to the Philadelphia Police Department entitled "The Effect of the Full Moon on Human Behavior" found similar results. That report showed that the full moon marks a monthly peak in various kinds of psychotically oriented crimes such as murder, arson, dangerous driving, and kleptomania. People do seem to get a little bit crazier about that time of the month.

http://www.innerself.com/Astrology/full_moon.htm

According to author Jason Townley Dr. Lieber's work was found to be accurate.

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MURDER TIDES

At the University of Miami, psychologist Arnold Lieber and his colleagues decided to test the old belief of full-moon ?lunacy? which most scientists had written off as an old wives? tale. The researchers collected data on homicide in Dade County (Miami) over a period of 15 years ? 1,887 murders, to be exact. When they matched the incidence of homicide with the phases of the moon, they found, much to their surprise, that the two rose and fell together, almost infallibly, for the entire 15 years! As the full or the new moon approached, the murder rate rose sharply; it distinctly declined during the first and last quarters of the moon.

To find out whether this was just a statistical fluke, the researchers repeated the experiment using murder data from Cuyahoga County in Ohio (Cleveland). Again, the statistics showed that more murders do indeed occur at the full and new moons.

Dr. Lieber and his colleagues shouldn?t have been so surprised. An earlier report by the American Institute of Medical Climatology to the Philadelphia Police Department entitled "The Effect of the Full Moon on Human Behavior" found similar results. That report showed that the full moon marks a monthly peak in various kinds of psychotically oriented crimes such as murder, arson, dangerous driving, and kleptomania. People do seem to get a little bit crazier about that time of the month.

You do understand that astrology is not a science and its reporters unreliable, right? You'll find a multi-faceted, longitudinal peer-reviewed study in my citation and this quote:

Misconceptions about such things as the moon's effect on tides have contributed to lunar mythology. Many people seem to think that since the moon affects the ocean's tides, it must be so powerful that it affects the human body as well. The lunar force is actually a very weak tidal force. A mother holding her child "will exert 12 million times as much tidal force on her child as the moon" (Kelly et al., 1996: 25). Astronomer George O. Abell claims that a mosquito would exert more gravitational pull on your arm than the moon would (Abell 1979). Despite these physical facts, there is still widespread belief that the moon can cause earthquakes.* It doesn't; nor does the sun, which exerts much less tidal force on the earth than the moon.

Forget about it. There is no lunar effect. It's really sad that you perpetuate this myth.

Misconceptions about such things as the moon's effect on tides have contributed to lunar mythology. Many people seem to think that since the moon affects the ocean's tides, it must be so powerful that it affects the human body as well. The lunar force is actually a very weak tidal force. A mother holding her child "will exert 12 million times as much tidal force on her child as the moon" (Kelly et al., 1996: 25). Astronomer George O. Abell claims that a mosquito would exert more gravitational pull on your arm than the moon would (Abell 1979). Despite these physical facts, there is still widespread belief that the moon can cause earthquakes.* It doesn't; nor does the sun, which exerts much less tidal force on the earth than the moon.

Forget about it. There is no lunar effect. It's really sad that you perpetuate this myth.

I never said anything about the gravitation of the moon causing homicides.

The correlation between murders and the phase of the moon does not imply anything about the moon's gravitation as a cause.

The correlation between murders and the phase of the moon does not imply anything about the moon's gravitation as a cause.

Indeed I would argue that no causal link has been established, but your Lieber stupidly claims otherwise. Check out this review of his work:http://www.biology-online.org/articles/moon_rising_persistent_belief.html

This theory took shape in the 1970s with Lieber's finding of a statistically significant lunar periodicity for homicides over 15 years, with a peak at full moon and just after the new moon. The results for aggression were similar, and the size of the gravitational force was found to be directly proportional to qualitative differences in individual acts of violence: the stronger the force, the more heinous the crimes. Lieber's book How the Moon Affects You became a best-seller and is still in print, although his results have not been replicated.

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A large body of evidence has accumulated over the last 30 years debunking the correlation between the moon and madness as a "Transylvania effect." In 1978 Campbell and Beets reviewed 16 studies on the moon's effects on mental disturbance, including studies on psychiatric admissions, suicides and homicides. They found no relation between the full moon and human behaviour and concluded that the few positive findings were examples of type I errors.

Do give it up, Tom. You're beaten by Science once again. One crackpot thought he saw something and was wrong. Lieber was wrong, and you're wrong for referencing him.

On the topic of the moon's effect on humans; In 1978, University of Miami psychologist Arnold Lieber wrote the book The Lunar Effect: Biological Tides and Human Emotions. He argued that the moon influences day-to-day behavior and concluded that homicides increased during the full moon after analyzing Miami's crime records.

THAT position I can actually concede to having something to it. A number of my family members are in law enforcement and they always say that nights with full moons are 'busy' nights.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on September 28, 2010, 01:58:36 PM

On the topic of the moon's effect on humans; In 1978, University of Miami psychologist Arnold Lieber wrote the book The Lunar Effect: Biological Tides and Human Emotions. He argued that the moon influences day-to-day behavior and concluded that homicides increased during the full moon after analyzing Miami's crime records.

THAT position I can actually concede to having something to it. A number of my family members are in law enforcement and they always say that nights with full moons are 'busy' nights.

How sad. I present all this evidence that such folklore is bad science and someone uses antedotal evidence to say there's something to it. I guess Einstein was right. People are just too stupid to think through the facts.

What phase of the Moon is in the sky at night the most? What phase of the Moon is the most noticeable? When something goes wrong and you look to see the Moon... If you see it as Full do you remember that you did more than if you can't find it? You bet. Do our brains trick us into seeing patterns that aren't there? You bet.

Do learn to avoid myth. Science is your friend.

Quote from: Death-T on September 28, 2010, 02:44:39 PM

THAT position I can actually concede to having something to it. A number of my family members are in law enforcement and they always say that nights with full moons are 'busy' nights.

How sad. I present all this evidence that such folklore is bad science and someone uses antedotal evidence to say there's something to it. I guess Einstein was right. People are just too stupid to think through the facts.

What phase of the Moon is in the sky at night the most? What phase of the Moon is the most noticeable? When something goes wrong and you look to see the Moon... If you see it as Full do you remember that you did more than if you can't find it? You bet. Do our brains trick us into seeing patterns that aren't there? You bet.

Do learn to avoid myth. Science is your friend.

Notice how I never said the Moon was the direct cause of the increase in activity.

Do learn to avoid skimming. Reading is your friend.

Quote from: ClockTower on September 28, 2010, 02:52:35 PM

Quote from: Death-T on September 28, 2010, 02:44:39 PM

THAT position I can actually concede to having something to it. A number of my family members are in law enforcement and they always say that nights with full moons are 'busy' nights.

How sad. I present all this evidence that such folklore is bad science and someone uses antedotal evidence to say there's something to it. I guess Einstein was right. People are just too stupid to think through the facts.

What phase of the Moon is in the sky at night the most? What phase of the Moon is the most noticeable? When something goes wrong and you look to see the Moon... If you see it as Full do you remember that you did more than if you can't find it? You bet. Do our brains trick us into seeing patterns that aren't there? You bet.

Do learn to avoid myth. Science is your friend.

Notice how I never said the Moon was the direct cause of the increase in activity.

Do learn to avoid skimming. Reading is your friend.

Right back at you.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on September 28, 2010, 01:58:36 PM

On the topic of the moon's effect on humans; In 1978, University of Miami psychologist Arnold Lieber wrote the book The Lunar Effect: Biological Tides and Human Emotions. He argued that the moon influences day-to-day behavior and concluded that homicides increased during the full moon after analyzing Miami's crime records.

THAT position I can actually concede to having something to it. A number of my family members are in law enforcement and they always say that nights with full moons are 'busy' nights.

The most likely reason being that more light = more activity.  

It is known well enough that emergency rooms are busier on full moon nights.  What is surprising is that veterinarians also report a higher incidence of activity during this dangerous time. Coincidence or further evidence for concern?

It is known well enough that emergency rooms are busier on full moon nights.  What is surprising is that veterinarians also report a higher incidence of activity during this dangerous time. Coincidence or further evidence for concern?

Again, please cite your source. Your saying it doesn't make it true. Please remember: evidence with citation then question.

It is known well enough that emergency rooms are busier on full moon nights.  What is surprising is that veterinarians also report a higher incidence of activity during this dangerous time. Coincidence or further evidence for concern?

Why is it surprising that more available light leads to more activity? 

Quote from: Death-T on September 28, 2010, 03:01:27 PM

Quote from: ClockTower on September 28, 2010, 02:52:35 PM

Quote from: Death-T on September 28, 2010, 02:44:39 PM

THAT position I can actually concede to having something to it. A number of my family members are in law enforcement and they always say that nights with full moons are 'busy' nights.

How sad. I present all this evidence that such folklore is bad science and someone uses antedotal evidence to say there's something to it. I guess Einstein was right. People are just too stupid to think through the facts.

What phase of the Moon is in the sky at night the most? What phase of the Moon is the most noticeable? When something goes wrong and you look to see the Moon... If you see it as Full do you remember that you did more than if you can't find it? You bet. Do our brains trick us into seeing patterns that aren't there? You bet.

very detailed, states it point quite
Do learn to avoid myth. Science is your friend.

Notice how I never said the Moon was the direct cause of the increase in activity.

Do learn to avoid skimming. Reading is your friend.

Right back at you.

"...there's something to it." = I believe there is a direct connection betweeen moonlight and irrational behavior? Hey, if you want to justify yourself off such a flimsy basis, go right ahead. I mean, it's not like I could of meant that moonlight could be affecting rates of irrational behavior besides just the physical effect of moonlight on humans..... I mean "...there's something to it," is indeed a well detailed statement, clearly outlined, and cut and dry.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on September 28, 2010, 01:58:36 PM

On the topic of the moon's effect on humans; In 1978, University of Miami psychologist Arnold Lieber wrote the book The Lunar Effect: Biological Tides and Human Emotions. He argued that the moon influences day-to-day behavior and concluded that homicides increased during the full moon after analyzing Miami's crime records.

THAT position I can actually concede to having something to it. A number of my family members are in law enforcement and they always say that nights with full moons are 'busy' nights.

Well could it be a natural physiological affect of patterned responses of our ancestors being naturally more active during the full moon.  It is a natural powerfull time of healing and power.

Berny

Why the hell wouldn't the moon have some sort of affect on people's behaviour? It's invigorating being under a full moon. It's a psyche thing.

Whether it's biololminesence affects you or not is a completely different matter, one that can be argued and quantified. All evidence points to the rays of the moon being completely harmless, however.

The most likely reason being that more light = more activity.  

Cities and towns aren't lit by the moon at night.

Quote from: markjo on September 28, 2010, 03:16:15 PM

The most likely reason being that more light = more activity.  

Cities and towns aren't lit by the moon at night.

Wrong as usual, Tom. Please provide evidence to support your obviously wrong claim. (Like the moon's light gets intercepted on its way to any city or town by FE fairies and re-routed to Gobi Desert.) How stupid of a statement do you think you can make and still think anyone will believe what you post?

What he means is that people in built-up areas tend to use candles or electricity rather than relying on the Moon's deleterous beams to illumine their night-time doings.

What he means is that people in built-up areas tend to use candles or electricity rather than relying on the Moon's deleterous beams to illumine their night-time doings.

That's not what he said, and what you claim he meant is irrelevant.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on September 28, 2010, 01:58:36 PM

On the topic of the moon's effect on humans; In 1978, University of Miami psychologist Arnold Lieber wrote the book The Lunar Effect: Biological Tides and Human Emotions. He argued that the moon influences day-to-day behavior and concluded that homicides increased during the full moon after analyzing Miami's crime records.

THAT position I can actually concede to having something to it. A number of my family members are in law enforcement and they always say that nights with full moons are 'busy' nights.

This is a psychological effect that has been studied to death. You remember the hits for a long time but forget the misses almost immediately. Just like the mediums, that rely on your short memory for flops and make as much publicity as possible for the hits, so they can claim an almost perfect record.

You can be sure a police officer will stress out just by seeing the full Moon because he will remember vividly the worst things that have happened to him during a full moon, but as soon as you do some well defined statistical studies of the effect, you find nothing.

Is there any particular reason why people respond to my notation on Tom Bishop's post, when the issue they're addressing is essentially just Tom Bishop's post and doesn't require my quote?

Is there any particular reason why people respond to my notation on Tom Bishop's post, when the issue they're addressing is essentially just Tom Bishop's post and doesn't require my quote?

Because your notation supports to an extent Tom's post. Oh, and you're wrong.

Quote from: ClockTower on September 23, 2010, 07:13:37 PM

Please provide scientific evidence for your claim highlighted above. Please call ESPN and the MLB if you're so sure. I'm sure the Feds will want to speak with you and your experts in this (out)field.

There is plenty of evidence on this forum. If you choose not to accept it, there is nothing more that I can do.

Quote from: ClockTower on September 23, 2010, 07:13:37 PM

There is quantifiable and demonstrative harm in claiming falsely that an action by the public presents a clear and present danger. Such claims are illegal. I advise that you consider the harm you are causing before posting such panic-inducing posts. Such terrorism is not protected speech in the US.

I do not live in the United States of America.

so there are idiotic conspiracy theorists outside of America? never knew that.

If you ask any police officer they will tell you that there is more crime on a full moon and any nurse will tell you that there are more births on a full moon.  The moon demonstrably has a detrimental effect on the deviant psyche and the placental birthing.

If you ask any police officer they will tell you that there is more crime on a full moon and any nurse will tell you that there are more births on a full moon.  The moon demonstrably has a detrimental effect on the deviant psyche and the placental birthing.

First, it's false. Many educated and well-versed professionals will tell you that you're wrong. Please reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_effect and its citations.

Second, please stop provided hearsay and legend as evidence. You just look silly.