The actual problem with this conspiracy theory

Quote from: Username on August 31, 2010, 12:40:22 PM

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Quote from: Fortuna on August 25, 2010, 08:30:22 PM

I'm fairly confident that there isn't a single user who actually thinks the Earth is flat. But it's a fun place to chat about ridiculous stuff and make memes etc...

I dont believe u've read too much here then. many people here identify themselves as flat earthers.

And many of them are not.  However, you are right; some of us are.

You really should put in new labels like "Devil's Advocate" and "Pretender". 

I agree, but with the true believer status being more regulated it shouldn't be needed.  Also, others disagree with me and I can see why they would.

Quote from: General Disarray on August 25, 2010, 10:16:52 PM

I don't think that anyone is under the illusion that Zeteticism is science.

What exactly is wrong with the Zetetic method?

All I said is that it isn't the same thing as the scientific method.

Quote from: General Disarray on October 02, 2010, 10:00:33 PM

Quote from: Oscar on October 02, 2010, 07:03:36 PM

Quote from: General Disarray on August 25, 2010, 10:16:52 PM

I don't think that anyone is under the illusion that Zeteticism is science.

What exactly is wrong with the Zetetic method?

All I said is that it isn't the same thing as the scientific method.

No, you said that it was not science. The so-called "scientific method" is not requisite.

Please support your claim. The textbooks that I used always said that Science was based on the Scientific Method. For example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science

Quote from: General Disarray on August 25, 2010, 10:16:52 PM

I don't think that anyone is under the illusion that Zeteticism is science.

What exactly is wrong with the Zetetic method?

This.

Quote from: General Disarray on August 25, 2010, 10:16:52 PM

I don't think that anyone is under the illusion that Zeteticism is science.

What exactly is wrong with the Zetetic method?

In simple words, the Zetetic method relies on the first hand experience of the observer rather than the predictive power of the model which tries to explain the studied phenomena.

Just as an example, in perfectly Zetetic fashion, you look at the sea from your window and see it flat. Then, in perfect Zetetic fashion, you see the Sun moving towards the horizon during dawn and falling under the horizon without stopping, changing course, or hinting that you are really seeing an illusion.

Everything until this point clearly (in a Zetetic fashion) shows that the Earth is flat and the Sun actually falls under Earth. But then, it is now evident that when you see the Sun under the Earth it is clearly seen close to the zenith in another location on Earth.

Which of the three Zetetic observations is wrong? All of the three observations is totally Zetetic, and therefore is correct. But at least one of them is wrong, so Zeteticism is internally paradoxical.

In simple words, the Zetetic method relies on the first hand experience of the observer rather than the predictive power of the model which tries to explain the studied phenomena.

Just as an example, in perfectly Zetetic fashion, you look at the sea from your window and see it flat. Then, in perfect Zetetic fashion, you see the Sun moving towards the horizon during dawn and falling under the horizon without stopping, changing course, or hinting that you are really seeing an illusion.

Everything until this point clearly (in a Zetetic fashion) shows that the Earth is flat and the Sun actually falls under Earth. But then, it is now evident that when you see the Sun under the Earth it is clearly seen close to the zenith in another location on Earth.

Which of the three Zetetic observations is wrong? All of the three observations is totally Zetetic, and therefore is correct. But at least one of them is wrong, so Zeteticism is internally paradoxical.

That seems like an entire thought process that was intentional desgned to defeat itself and produce conclusions and observations that can't be counted on for anything. What's the point of even using this system?

What's the point of even using this system?

To (erroneously) show that the earth is flat.

Quote from: trig on October 03, 2010, 08:42:39 AM

In simple words, the Zetetic method relies on the first hand experience of the observer rather than the predictive power of the model which tries to explain the studied phenomena.

Just as an example, in perfectly Zetetic fashion, you look at the sea from your window and see it flat. Then, in perfect Zetetic fashion, you see the Sun moving towards the horizon during dawn and falling under the horizon without stopping, changing course, or hinting that you are really seeing an illusion.

Everything until this point clearly (in a Zetetic fashion) shows that the Earth is flat and the Sun actually falls under Earth. But then, it is now evident that when you see the Sun under the Earth it is clearly seen close to the zenith in another location on Earth.

Which of the three Zetetic observations is wrong? All of the three observations is totally Zetetic, and therefore is correct. But at least one of them is wrong, so Zeteticism is internally paradoxical.

That seems like an entire thought process that was intentional desgned to defeat itself and produce conclusions and observations that can't be counted on for anything. What's the point of even using this system?

That is the whole idea. Zetetic meditation implies that inside you there are all the answers. That if you really think Earth is flat or atoms do not exist, or Relativity is a conspiracy, and find a spec of evidence for your preconceived idea, then you have Allmighty Truth grabbed with both hands.

But the inner workings of your mind (and mine) do not hold any inherent truths. Your undeniable truths are not the same as mine, and we cannot both be right. You cannot say your meditation is better than mine, or that the experiments you decide to do give answers while mine do not.

That is why the prediction of the results of experiments and observations is at the very center of the Scientific Method.