Why is the sun always circular in shape?

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Why is the sun always circular in shape?
« on: August 16, 2010, 05:47:00 PM »
If the sun is a spotlight, why does it always appear as a perfect circle in the sky? As it moves across the heavens should it not at some point appear more of an ellipse? Does the sun simply change its orientation to appear circular to the observer, even when the observers are three thousand miles apart?

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Re: Why is the sun always circular in shape?
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2010, 06:10:04 PM »
If the earth is a spotlight, why does it always appear as a perfect circle in the sky? As it moves across the heavens should it not at some point appear more of an ellipse? Does the sun simply change its orientation to appear circular to the observer, even when the observers are three thousand miles apart?



That's because the Sun is spherical. And I had pointed out before that this makes FE a failure, especially if they plan on trying to control their timezone problem that already fails by using a spot light approach. All one needs to do to understand this is hang a flashlight from a tree and walk away. :)

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Re: Why is the sun always circular in shape?
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2010, 01:12:11 AM »
If the earth is a spotlight, why does it always appear as a perfect circle in the sky? As it moves across the heavens should it not at some point appear more of an ellipse? Does the sun simply change its orientation to appear circular to the observer, even when the observers are three thousand miles apart?



That's because the Sun is spherical. And I had pointed out before that this makes FE a failure, especially if they plan on trying to control their timezone problem that already fails by using a spot light approach. All one needs to do to understand this is hang a flashlight from a tree and walk away. :)


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Re: Why is the sun always circular in shape?
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2010, 01:42:18 AM »
If the earth is a spotlight, why does it always appear as a perfect circle in the sky? As it moves across the heavens should it not at some point appear more of an ellipse? Does the sun simply change its orientation to appear circular to the observer, even when the observers are three thousand miles apart?



That's because the Sun is spherical. And I had pointed out before that this makes FE a failure, especially if they plan on trying to control their timezone problem that already fails by using a spot light approach. All one needs to do to understand this is hang a flashlight from a tree and walk away. :)



I fear your comment is gonna bring on the nonsensical bendy light comments.
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Re: Why is the sun always circular in shape?
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2010, 02:22:40 AM »
If the earth is a spotlight, why does it always appear as a perfect circle in the sky? As it moves across the heavens should it not at some point appear more of an ellipse? Does the sun simply change its orientation to appear circular to the observer, even when the observers are three thousand miles apart?



That's because the Sun is spherical. And I had pointed out before that this makes FE a failure, especially if they plan on trying to control their timezone problem that already fails by using a spot light approach. All one needs to do to understand this is hang a flashlight from a tree and walk away. :)



I fear your comment is gonna bring on the nonsensical bendy light comments.

lol, I already ripped apart the bendy light theory in another thread. And that would take some extremely excessive use of bending light. ;)
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Re: Why is the sun always circular in shape?
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2010, 02:52:51 AM »
The answer is: whatever they want.
Seriously, do you think that they'll question themselves for something as simple as that?  They came up with their own personal answer long ago and nothing will convince them they're wrong.

Re: Why is the sun always circular in shape?
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2010, 03:10:00 AM »
Correct above poster, the answer is whatever crazy untested theory they want. Sorry to put words in your guys' mouths, FE'ers, but perhaps it goes something like this:

You see, I observe that the sun always looks like a circle no matter where I am in the world. I build a sphere and a disc, as well as a whole host of other shapes, and I look at them from different angles. It turns out that only the sphere is consistent with what I see when I look at the sun. Does that give weight to the spherical hypothesis of the sun? No, because you see, I want the sun to be a disc, and so instead it must be that it is an optical illusion and my eyes are really deceiving me. There's this thing called refraction in geometric optics that allows parallel rays of light to get redirected at different angles. Change of medium can do this, and so I'm gonna say there's this stuff in the sky that bends light to make a disc look like a sphere everywhere. After all, refraction exists, so I'm going to invoke it whenever and however I want with the convenience that the sky makes discs looks like spheres at long enough distances. How much distance? Who knows, and I've never tested any of this, but it has to be correct. The alternative of the sun simply being a sphere as it looks, after all, is ridiculous, right?

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Re: Why is the sun always circular in shape?
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2010, 04:28:55 AM »
They may also try that the sun is far enough above the earth's surface that you do not observe the fact that it's a disc.

Re: Why is the sun always circular in shape?
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2010, 04:41:48 AM »
They may also try that the sun is far enough above the earth's surface that you do not observe the fact that it's a disc.

They can't say that when the sun goes below the horizon and is showing to be high noon to someone else.. If light were bending that severely, everything would be warping. And if their spotlight was doing this, their whole already poor attempt at timezones would collapse even further :P Hence, they can't have their cake and eat it too  8)
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Re: Why is the sun always circular in shape?
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2010, 01:21:24 PM »
For the Sun to always be circular in shape, it must be an infinitely thin disc.
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Re: Why is the sun always circular in shape?
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2010, 01:24:05 PM »
For the Sun to always be circular in shape, it must be an infinitely thin disc.

Does not compute.

Re: Why is the sun always circular in shape?
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2010, 01:25:29 PM »
For the Sun to always be circular in shape, it must be an infinitely thin disc.

Why don't you get an infinitely thin disc and try it out...wait they don't exist, only in math. Anyway, get a thin disc and rotate it and see if it always looks like a circle. It won't.

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Re: Why is the sun always circular in shape?
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2010, 02:23:02 PM »
For the Sun to always be circular in shape, it must be an infinitely thin disc.
I guess if you see it then it isn't infinitely thin.
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Re: Why is the sun always circular in shape?
« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2010, 03:01:39 PM »
If only there were some sort of object that appears as a circle regardless of its position in relation to the observer...
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Re: Why is the sun always circular in shape?
« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2010, 03:10:53 PM »
For the Sun to always be circular in shape, it must be an infinitely thin disc.

Or circular in three dimensions (sorta like a sphere).
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Re: Why is the sun always circular in shape?
« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2010, 04:19:14 PM »
For the Sun to always be circular in shape, it must be an infinitely thin disc.

How would that work, paradigm of ambiguous wisdom?

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Re: Why is the sun always circular in shape?
« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2010, 04:45:40 PM »
How would that work, paradigm of ambiguous wisdom?

That is simply what a circle is.
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Re: Why is the sun always circular in shape?
« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2010, 12:33:14 AM »
How would that work, paradigm of ambiguous wisdom?

That is simply what a circle is.

You are trying to eat your cake. Sorry, casting magic infinite disk doesn't work in the real world. However, it doesn't surprise me to see you post a nonsensical argument.  ::)
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Re: Why is the sun always circular in shape?
« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2010, 12:54:01 AM »
For the Sun to always be circular in shape, it must be an infinitely thin disc.

Or circular in three dimensions (sorta like a sphere).

So you now know you need to delete Sun disk flashlight from your FET ;).. Let's see how much further we can get FE'rs to backpedal.  Now apply new light projection over a flat plane to understand why your Timezones would completely collapse (which failed to begin with anyways), and would actually kill any hope you have of having a Day/night cycle.
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Re: Why is the sun always circular in shape?
« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2010, 02:52:42 AM »
How would that work, paradigm of ambiguous wisdom?

That is simply what a circle is.

I remember when Parsifal used to really earn his troll victims.

Re: Why is the sun always circular in shape?
« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2010, 03:10:16 AM »
I do not understand how even an infinitely thin disc solves the problem. Guess what, it doesn't.
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Re: Why is the sun always circular in shape?
« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2010, 05:40:10 AM »
For the Sun to always be circular in shape, it must be an infinitely thin disc.

Or circular in three dimensions (sorta like a sphere).

So you now know you need to delete Sun disk flashlight from your FET ;).. Let's see how much further we can get FE'rs to backpedal. 

Hey there, watch who you're calling an FE'er.  >:(

Now apply new light projection over a flat plane to understand why your Timezones would completely collapse (which failed to begin with anyways), and would actually kill any hope you have of having a Day/night cycle.

Hmmm... I always thought that time zones had something to do with the sun being directly over your local meridian at solar noon.  Maybe your definition of time zones is different from mine.  Or, maybe you haven't thought this through as well as you think you have.  Tell you what.  Why don't you look at the semi-official FE map (the north pole centered one) and point out how the sun being directly over the prime meridian affects the concept of 6 o'clock AM and PM at 90 degrees east and west longitude.
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Re: Why is the sun always circular in shape?
« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2010, 10:42:19 AM »
I do not understand how even an infinitely thin disc solves the problem. Guess what, it doesn't.

The OP said that the Sun is always circular in shape. The only shape which is always circular in shape is, unsurprisingly, a circle.
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Re: Why is the sun always circular in shape?
« Reply #23 on: August 18, 2010, 11:16:33 AM »
I do not understand how even an infinitely thin disc solves the problem. Guess what, it doesn't.

The OP said that the Sun is always circular in shape. The only shape which is always circular in shape is, unsurprisingly, a circle.
Yes, you're so right, pedantically. The OP should have been for trolls like you: The outline of the Sun as seen from the Earth is always circular in shape, with allowances for transits and eclipses.
Keep it serious, Thork. You can troll, but don't be so open. We have standards

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Re: Why is the sun always circular in shape?
« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2010, 11:23:29 AM »
The only shape which is always circular in shape is, unsurprisingly, a circle.

Please continue postnig more of your epic fail. You're on a streak!

Re: Why is the sun always circular in shape?
« Reply #25 on: August 18, 2010, 12:24:28 PM »
So, Parsifal, I see you're not interested in any meaningful debates. Instead you're just here to engage in stupid semantic nitpicking when you know exactly what the OP precisely meant: "always appears circular." What if the OP had said that the sun is always a square in shape? Would you have said, "well if that's the case, it must be a square"?

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Re: Why is the sun always circular in shape?
« Reply #26 on: August 18, 2010, 01:38:12 PM »
So, Parsifal, I see you're not interested in any meaningful debates. Instead you're just here to engage in stupid semantic nitpicking when you know exactly what the OP precisely meant...

That's all he does in the upper forums.  He only does it half the time in the lower ones. XD

Re: Why is the sun always circular in shape?
« Reply #27 on: August 18, 2010, 01:56:11 PM »
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So you now know you need to delete Sun disk flashlight from your FET ;).. Let's see how much further we can get FE'rs to backpedal. 

Hey there, watch who you're calling an FE'er.  >:(

You sounded like you were making a case for FET, so my apologies.

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Hmmm... I always thought that time zones had something to do with the sun being directly over your local meridian at solar noon.  Maybe your definition of time zones is different from mine.  Or, maybe you haven't thought this through as well as you think you have.  Tell you what.  Why don't you look at the semi-official FE map (the north pole centered one) and point out how the sun being directly over the prime meridian affects the concept of 6 o'clock AM and PM at 90 degrees east and west longitude.

And what is directly in relation to the real world timezones? Ahh yes, the visual difference between night and day. Hence, where the light is hitting and where it is not. Yes you are correct about the poles and your definition of the timezones, but i was speaking from within the context of that. Hence, what effect would that have in regards to Boston for example if FE had a spherical sun vs a flashlight. and how would that effect the night time sky. It's simple, there would be no darkness of the night over a flat Earth if they attempted to claim it was spherical. Thus why they try to use the flashlight approach.





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Re: Why is the sun always circular in shape?
« Reply #28 on: August 18, 2010, 02:26:08 PM »
I do not understand how even an infinitely thin disc solves the problem. Guess what, it doesn't.

The OP said that the Sun is always circular in shape. The only shape which is always circular in shape is, unsurprisingly, a circle.
No, OP said that "why does it always appear as a perfect circle in the sky?" Circle doesn't appear always as a perfect circle. So you fail in your explanations.
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Re: Why is the sun always circular in shape?
« Reply #29 on: August 18, 2010, 02:34:40 PM »
I do not understand how even an infinitely thin disc solves the problem. Guess what, it doesn't.

The OP said that the Sun is always circular in shape. The only shape which is always circular in shape is, unsurprisingly, a circle.
No, OP said that "why does it always appear as a perfect circle in the sky?" Circle doesn't appear always as a perfect circle. So you fail in your explanations.
So Parsifal fails at even being pedantic. Oh! The irony. +5 for zork.
Keep it serious, Thork. You can troll, but don't be so open. We have standards