Irrefutable Sphere Earth logic - Side note: FE people use selective blind faith

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Flat earthers have never seen the "guarded" "ice wall" that "surrounds" a "flat earth." Through cynical eyes, they have concluded the government is out to get them by hiding the truth of the shape of the earth, for some unknown and unreasonable objective. They [flat earthers] believe this stuff which they have no hard evidence on.

Then when modern science steps in and and mentions gravity, which is also as invisible seeming as this giant "ice wall," flat earthers frenzy like piranhas to destroy such ideas. How is it they can believe in things that have no evidence and deny gravity? Do they use weak assumption based logic like, "Well assuming the earth is flat because I saw a straight horizon, and that water must some how stay on earth, there must be an unseen 'ice wall' keeping the water in. Great work. They have trolled the world.

Flat earthers are indeed the fragments of a government ploy to make people believe the "flat earth" lie. Such proposition seems just as reasonable as an "ice wall," which has never been seen, keeping water in.

How is it they cannot understand simple perspective of the ground appearing flag while on a sphere planet? How is it so hard to test round objects by looking at it from afar then moving your eye closer and closer till it is as close as it can get and see how, while still curved, appears less curved? The earth is large enough to the extent that a person at ground level is seeing a spec of dust sized area relative to the boulder the earth is. Of course it will appear flat at such close distances.

And how high is this "ice wall?" One hundred and fifty feet? If one was to ascend to an elevation of 160 feet, would there still be air? Would not it all be below the highest point of the "ice wall?" If all water would flow off the earth without a wall around it, how then would air work if not to flow past the highest points of the "ice wall" such that a person would die. And if flat earthers said the air is moving "upwards" at the same speed as the earth is supposedly moving, why would not the water also move up at the same speed such that an ice wall would not be required?

When one lacks the truth, their falsified evidence will not correlate. And when a flat earther is defeated, retaliation comes not in the form of attempted counter evidence. No. They shall attack my grammar and sentence structure. They will want to respond with, "Wow your thoughts were all over the place. You did not even stay on topic. Your paragraphs are not cohesive, nor do they focus around one idea."

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Re: flath earthers are Biased towards Sphere Earth logic
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2010, 11:06:07 AM »
You have too look at it from their perspective. They firmly irreversibly think that the earth is flat. Therefore anything that points toward a round earth MUST be wrong. If you've studied chanology, you find that scilons disagree with anything that goes against the teachings of L Ron Hubbard, because they are conditioned to believe his words above all else.

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Re: flath earthers are Biased towards Sphere Earth logic
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2010, 01:17:23 PM »
They are conspiracy theorists, any proofs that don't support them are ignored, or altered to fit their vision, and more "proofs" are made up to fit the theory.

I could just as easily say that you are a duck and you could not prove me wrong, if I used their methods.

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Re: flath earthers are Biased towards Sphere Earth logic
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2010, 03:47:23 PM »
They are conspiracy theorists, any proofs that don't support them are ignored, or altered to fit their vision, and more "proofs" are made up to fit the theory.

I could just as easily say that you are a duck and you could not prove me wrong, if I used their methods.

I thought you were a conspiracy theorist?

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Re: flath earthers are Biased towards Sphere Earth logic
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2010, 04:01:11 PM »
They are conspiracy theorists, any proofs that don't support them are ignored, or altered to fit their vision, and more "proofs" are made up to fit the theory.

I could just as easily say that you are a duck and you could not prove me wrong, if I used their methods.

I thought you were a conspiracy theorist?

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Lykos

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Re: flath earthers are Biased towards Sphere Earth logic
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2010, 06:27:54 PM »
I wonder what has taken them so long to construct a counter argument. Surely they have enough hot air to melt Neptune. Maybe the air flowing out past an altitude of 150 ft and the fact that people can reach higher elevations and still live defeated them.

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Me, and many other modern flat earthers, hold the "ice wall" is just Antarctica or rimward lands and does not need any "guarding" etc.  I hop ethis answers your question.  Zetecism is based on evidence, unlike the scientific method which is poison from the start with assumptions and monetary and scholastic prejudice.


Flat earthers have never seen the "guarded" "ice wall" that "surrounds" a "flat earth." Through cynical eyes, they have concluded the government is out to get them by hiding the truth of the shape of the earth, for some unknown and unreasonable objective. They [flat earthers] believe this stuff which they have no hard evidence on.

Then when modern science steps in and and mentions gravity, which is also as invisible seeming as this giant "ice wall," flat earthers frenzy like piranhas to destroy such ideas. How is it they can believe in things that have no evidence and deny gravity? Do they use weak assumption based logic like, "Well assuming the earth is flat because I saw a straight horizon, and that water must some how stay on earth, there must be an unseen 'ice wall' keeping the water in. Great work. They have trolled the world.

Flat earthers are indeed the fragments of a government ploy to make people believe the "flat earth" lie. Such proposition seems just as reasonable as an "ice wall," which has never been seen, keeping water in.

How is it they cannot understand simple perspective of the ground appearing flag while on a sphere planet? How is it so hard to test round objects by looking at it from afar then moving your eye closer and closer till it is as close as it can get and see how, while still curved, appears less curved? The earth is large enough to the extent that a person at ground level is seeing a spec of dust sized area relative to the boulder the earth is. Of course it will appear flat at such close distances.

And how high is this "ice wall?" One hundred and fifty feet? If one was to ascend to an elevation of 160 feet, would there still be air? Would not it all be below the highest point of the "ice wall?" If all water would flow off the earth without a wall around it, how then would air work if not to flow past the highest points of the "ice wall" such that a person would die. And if flat earthers said the air is moving "upwards" at the same speed as the earth is supposedly moving, why would not the water also move up at the same speed such that an ice wall would not be required?

When one lacks the truth, their falsified evidence will not correlate. And when a flat earther is defeated, retaliation comes not in the form of attempted counter evidence. No. They shall attack my grammar and sentence structure. They will want to respond with, "Wow your thoughts were all over the place. You did not even stay on topic. Your paragraphs are not cohesive, nor do they focus around one idea."

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John, I'm sorry but I still don't see how the scientific method is "poison from the start with assumptions and monetary and scholastic prejudice".  It seems to me that, more often than not, science makes it's greatest advancements when a hypothesis is proven wrong by the experiment that was supposed to support it.
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John, I'm sorry but I still don't see how the scientific method is "poison from the start with assumptions and monetary and scholastic prejudice".  It seems to me that, more often than not, science makes it's greatest advancements when a hypothesis is proven wrong by the experiment that was supposed to support it.
John, furthermore, you're mistaken if you think that FET is based on evidence. FET can't even face the evidence that the Sun dips below the horizon for billions of observers every day.
Keep it serious, Thork. You can troll, but don't be so open. We have standards

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Zetecism is based on evidence, unlike the scientific method which is poison from the start with assumptions and monetary and scholastic prejudice.

Name some assumptions and prejudices in science.
Name some zetetic evidence for a flat earth.
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Here is a very simple example of the fallacy of FET;)

FET uses the RE circumference as their diameter LMAO.. And they do this so they can unfold the Spherical Earth into a circle.. However, they couldn't do this without adding Mass Area to fill in the blanks.. If FET didn't believe in the Spherical Earth, then they would never have used the Spherical Earth's circumference to construct their magical fairy tale pizzaplanet LOL..

Thus take Earths Diameter of 24,900.2077 and times it by 3.14(PI) and you get their FET circumference of 78,225 miles, wait, they did their math wrong, make that 78,226 miles ;).. Oh, how it's so easy to spot a sham ;) Yeah, and they think they are actually clever! LMAO

And the worst part is.. They had to add land mass to make it work because you can't just unfold a Sphere :P.. So they went from 196 million sq miles RE, to roughly 486 million sq miles ;).. Shit, those plane rides to Australia must be incredibly long!
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What? No comment by the FE community ? :P
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For some reason you seem to think that I'm the Society's leader. Allow me to clarify: I'm not even an official member. You can see that by looking at the titles.
While I find it very flattering that you put my name in practically every post and await specifically my, and no one else's, replies, I suggest that you lurk moar.

Shit, those plane rides to Australia must be incredibly long!
They are, because silly GPS users are taking the long way!

As for your answer: No, :) you got it all wrong. :P RET uses the FE diameter ;) as their circumference ROTFLMAOPMPSMC.. ;)
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For some reason you seem to think that I'm the Society's leader. Allow me to clarify: I'm not even an official member. You can see that by looking at the titles.
While I find it very flattering that you put my name in practically every post and await specifically my, and no one else's, replies, I suggest that you lurk moar.

Reading comprehension failure - Check!

Nobody stated you were a member of any society, officially or otherwise ;) Don't flatter yourself over your own incompetent stupidity here son. Your nick is just funny enough to use as sarcasm.

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They are, because silly GPS users are taking the long way!
Are you backpedaling now on GPS LOL?

Again, reading comprehension problems show your incompetence to understand the context lol.. GPS users don't take the Long way stupid, they take the shortest route possible, or the safest route.. And you ought to learns something about Jet streams, and currents before you post your stupidity here pizzaplanet.. And here is the funny part that you obvious don't comprehend, The RE model is the short route stupid! Learn how do do math to understand why your comment here is entirely laughable..

FE:
 486,962,839.0564 sq miles

percent of earths [sic] ocean 70% - 340,873,987.33948 sq miles
percent of earths [sic] land: 30% - 146,088,851.71692 sq miles

RE:
196,935,000 sq miles
percent of earths [sic] ocean 70% - 137,854,500 sq miles
percent of earths [sic] land: 30% -  59,080,500 sq miles 

You Might want to get a speed and distance Calculator out. I'm Sure New Zealander's Magically take the "Long Way" to Australia ;)..


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As for your answer: No, :) you got it all wrong. :P RET uses the FE diameter ;) as their circumference ROTFLMAOPMPSMC.. ;)

Oh do we now? I didn't realize RE had a Diameter of 24,900 miles LMAO.. Wow, your math skills need some work son! ROTFLMAOPMPSMC!

So according to your FE theory the United States is 403 thousand sq miles larger than it is in RE.. Shit how that is laughable considering that it only takes 22 hours to drive from Crystal Minnesota to Sun City Arizona non-stop ;).. You might want to check your math son!   

To put this simply Pizza, all you have is circular arguments, and you clearly aren't smart enough to comprehend the difference between 486 million sq miles and 196 million sq miles to understand why your above comment is entirely laughable ;)..Especially concerning GPS taking the "long way" ..LMAO! 

And sorry kiddo, but the RE circumference and diameter existed long before this "society" ever even had formed or existed ;) .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes Yeah, that is where the circumference of the Earth came from son.. It's good to know your history ;)

Here is likely the main reason this Society even exists:


Here are the Biblical passages often quoted by those who believe the Bible is literally true in terms of the "flat Earth" concept

Wiki:
    * Genesis 1:10,16-18; Psalms 136:7-9; Isaiah 40:22, 44:24-35; Proverbs 8:27; Luke 4:5.
    * Job 38:4-6; 1 Samuel 2:8; Psalm 93:1;
    * Joshua 10:12-14; Psalm 19:4-6; Luke 24:51[12]

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Your nick is just funny enough to use as sarcasm.
A clear misunderstanding of what sarcasm is. Yes, my nickname is slightly ironic, the reason of which being that it was so designed. Incoherently putting it in sentences constitutes no less but... incoherence. Do note how that != sarcasm. I suggest that you get a dictionary (exempli gratia: http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/sarcasm) and check what the words you use mean.

And sorry kiddo, but the RE circumference and diameter existed long before this "society" ever even had formed or existed ;) .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes Yeah, that is where the circumference of the Earth came from son.. It's good to know your history ;)
No one said anything about the society. Just the Earth. That's where RET took their measurement from, or at least I hope so. In your own words:
Reading comprehension failure - Check!
Additionally, I encourage you to use the search function to find out more about Eratosthenes's mistakes. It sure is good to know history, but it's also very useful to know your opponent in a debate.

percent of earths [sic] ocean 70% - 340,873,987.33948 sq miles
percent of earths [sic] land: 30% - 146,088,851.71692 sq miles

RE:
196,935,000 sq miles
percent of earths [sic] ocean 70% - 137,854,500 sq miles
percent of earths [sic] land: 30% -  59,080,500 sq miles 
You do realize that using [sic] here makes no sense whatsoever, do you? Of course you do. In that case, why are you doing it? Moreover, what's "earths"?

Here is likely the main reason this Society even exists:


Here are the Biblical passages often quoted by those who believe the Bible is literally true in terms of the "flat Earth" concept

Wiki:
    * Genesis 1:10,16-18; Psalms 136:7-9; Isaiah 40:22, 44:24-35; Proverbs 8:27; Luke 4:5.
    * Job 38:4-6; 1 Samuel 2:8; Psalm 93:1;
    * Joshua 10:12-14; Psalm 19:4-6; Luke 24:51[12]
You're very hypocritical when you make remarks regarding reading comprehension. The reasons why one would believe in a flat Earth are quite separate from religion. Traditionally, I invite you to lurk more prior to posting.

Oh do we now? I didn't realize RE had a Diameter of 24,900 miles LMAO.. Wow, your math skills need some work son! ROTFLMAOPMPSMC!
ITT: Blatantly confusing diameter with circumference. Congratulations.

Are you backpedaling now on GPS LOL?
Yes
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(exempli granta: http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/sarcasm) and check what the words you use mean.
Oh, the irony... Though maybe PP meant that Mrs. Grant had an example?
Keep it serious, Thork. You can troll, but don't be so open. We have standards

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(exempli granta: http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/sarcasm) and check what the words you use mean.
Oh, the irony... Though maybe PP meant that Mrs. Grant had an example?
I thank you for the amendment. It has been applied to the post.
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Here is likely the main reason this Society even exists:


Here are the Biblical passages often quoted by those who believe the Bible is literally true in terms of the "flat Earth" concept

Wiki:
    * Genesis 1:10,16-18; Psalms 136:7-9; Isaiah 40:22, 44:24-35; Proverbs 8:27; Luke 4:5.
    * Job 38:4-6; 1 Samuel 2:8; Psalm 93:1;
    * Joshua 10:12-14; Psalm 19:4-6; Luke 24:51[12]
You're very hypocritical when you make remarks regarding reading comprehension. The reasons why one would believe in a flat Earth are quite separate from religion. Traditionally, I invite you to lurk more prior to posting.

He didn't say the reason you believe in a flat earth is for non-biblical reasons. He said that the reason a flat earth society likely even exists is based on these passages, which may very well be true. Rowbowtham, the author of Earth Not a Globe, may have gotten his inspiration from a literal interpretation of biblical passages.

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A clear misunderstanding of what sarcasm is. Yes, my nickname is slightly ironic, the reason of which being that it was so designed. Incoherently putting it in sentences constitutes no less but... incoherence. Do note how that != sarcasm. I suggest that you get a dictionary (exempli gratia: http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/sarcasm) and check what the words you use mean.

Wiki:
Sarcasm is “a sharp, bitter, or cutting expression or remark; a bitter jibe or taunt.” [1] Some authorities sharply distinguish sarcasm from irony,[2] however others argue that sarcasm may or often does involve irony.[3]

Rethink this through "a bitter jibe or taunt." Let me know when you can keep up Pizza. And yes, your nick is also Ironic.

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No one said anything about the society. Just the Earth. That's where RET took their measurement from, or at least I hope so. In your own words:

You do realize that you tried to state that RET took their measurement from FET correct? And who do you suppose came up with the FET? It seems that you were suggesting otherwise, although be it indirectly. So you agree that RET got their measurement from Earth to which directly falsifies your entire argument! That's good to know!. And here is something interesting, who in FET measured the circumference of Earth? Ah yeah, more magical data that doesn't exist ;) Sorry Pizzaplanet, but the diameter of 24900.2077 was taken from RE's circumference. But I guess in your little kid world ignorance is bliss.

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Additionally, I encourage you to use the search function to find out more about Eratosthenes's mistakes. It sure is good to know history, but it's also very useful to know your opponent in a debate.

His mistakes only effected the exact number of the circumference and nothing more son. We can accurately measure the circumference. And sorry his experiment doesn't show a flat earth kid lol. You do comprehend what the experiment involves correct?.. You do understand how modern science comprehends this correct? You do understand that under FE there would be no degree of arc correct? And you do comprehend how the UA theory states that your position is that of the vertex position within a parabolic bowl correct?.. Yeah well educated you are not pizzaplanet.

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He assumed the light beams from the Sun were parallel at the Earth - a fair assumption. He knew of a place in Syene (Aswan), some 800 km due south of Alexandria, where the sun shone vertically down a wellshaft on only one day a year, at noon - Midsummer's day. This implied to him that on this date, at this location the sun was directly overhead at 0 deg. He thought that if the Earth were curved, then at Alexandria, on the same day, at the same time, if a shadow were cast then it would imply curvature of the Earth's surface. Also, by measuring the length of the shadow and the height of the object casting it - simple post - he could calculate the angle of the rays in degrees. By dividing the distance to Aswan by this gave the distance for 1 deg of arc across the Earth's surface, and multiplying this result by 360 degrees would give the circumference of the Earth. This he did and came up with a result that wasn't bettered until the late C18 - 38400km.


So let's Give you some homework Pizzaplanet ;)

Experiment 1:

Step 1:

Take a basketball and pin some small thumb tacks all along the lines on the ball.

Step 2: Get a lamp, or other source of light and observe the shadows being cast by the thumb tacks..

Step 3: Measure shadow distance, direction, degree of direction, and light source angles from observer, and horizon.

Step 3: Repeat using a flat surface :)

Conclusion:

you will find how correct Eratosthenes's was in the fact that the Earth is a sphere and not a flat disk. 

Experiment 2:

You also might want to learn how shadows are casting when the light source is horizontal over a flat plane pizzaplanet. Here you can feel free to shine a light source across a round flat table in a dark room to understand why the FET argument is laughable..

Step 1:

Take a round flat table and put objects tall and short, or of equal height all around the table

Step 2:

Turn off the lights

Step 3:

Shine a light source across the table Horizontally

Step 4:

Observe the shadows casting across the surface

Step 5: Measure shadow distance, direction, degree of direction, and light source angles from observer and the horizon.

Step 6:

Attempt to make the source of light at high noon at one location while setting and rising on the horizon at two other locations at all times ;) And can you do this without effecting shadow casting LOL..

Conclusion:

FET is laughable! and it literally takes a moron to actually believe it.

Some other resources:

http://www.earthmagazine.org/earth/article/219-7d9-5-d
http://www.ipy.org/ipy-blogs/item/1120-studying-sun-shadows-around-the-world
http://passporttoknowledge.com/sun/educators/noonshadows.html
http://sunship.currentsky.com/stick.html
http://www.earthsciweek.org/researchproject/index.html
http://www.sunposition.com/
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Astronomy-1360/Sun-position-using-GPS-1.htm
http://solardat.uoregon.edu/SunChartProgram.html
http://freegeographytools.com/2007/sun-position-during-the-day-for-any-location

Or you can revert back to these:

*Determine the Circumference of the Earth Using the Sun.. You can even translate these to longitude and latitude coordinates. Smiley
http://www.sciencebuddies.org/science-fair-projects/project_ideas/Astro_p018.shtml

*we can Watch a video on how you can determine Longitude and latitude via the Sun Smiley Oh the sailors Friends, and amazing how accurate this is to GPS, and spherical Earth.
http://www.wonderhowto.com/how-to-find-south-latitude-and-longitude-with-sun-267789/


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How about because a round earth is the only shape where the experiment works consistently when measurements are taken from different locations?  Measurements from different locations on a flat earth yield inconsistent results.  But you already knew that, didn't you?


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You do realize that using [sic] here makes no sense whatsoever, do you? Of course you do. In that case, why are you doing it? Moreover, what's "earths"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sic

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Sic is a Latin word meaning "thus", "so", "as such", or "in such a manner". It is used when writing quoted material to indicate that an incorrect or unusual spelling, phrase, punctuation or meaning in the quote has been reproduced verbatim from the original and is not a transcription error (i.e. it appeared thus in the original). It is normally placed within the quoted material, in square brackets and often italicized—[sic]. Alternatively it can appear after the quote in parentheses (round brackets)—(sic).

This only states that the quoted information can have variance because the data can't be 100 percent accurate. Thought It doesn't apply to my FE numbers because I am not quoting myself. I simply failed to remove [sic] from a copy and paste in order to save time. The reason why the land / sea numbers aren't 100 percent accurate is because that changes dynamically and can not be stated and quoted with 100 percent accuracy.

Thus, "earths" vs Earth's is only error on  my part by not correcting someone's incorrect usage of as a proper noun.

And if this is all you have to respond with, it clearly show's your lack of ability to do anything other than to play little childish games in attempt to plead for credibility points. This is common when someone like yourself is out of your league within a debate.

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You're very hypocritical when you make remarks regarding reading comprehension. The reasons why one would believe in a flat Earth are quite separate from religion. Traditionally, I invite you to lurk more prior to posting.

Reading comprehension failure seems to be a common problem with you pizzaplanet, and yes at times I can be hypocritical at 6am in the morning. I never stated I wasn't hypocritical in my error, and I really don't care if I am being hypocritical due to the fact that it's currently irrelevant to the actual focus of the overall discussion of FE vs RE.

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ITT: Blatantly confusing diameter with circumference. Congratulations.

I didn't confuse the two, but error noted in my response to the quote :) However, it was 6am in the morning after being up all night working on some projects :) Again error noted :P

However, it's fair to say that RE isn't using FET diameter as their circumference ;). Granted this can be a circular argument if it weren't for how RE really got their circumference. Hence, I myself don't need FET to accurately calculate Earth circumference ;) This still makes your argument entirely false.

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Yes

Way to contradict yourself! Oh, you're cleverly kidding by posting a link to this:

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A: The airline pilots are guided by their GPS. Remember that satellites do not exist. The replacement data given from pseudolites deliberately throwing distorting all the paths to make it the flights take different times. The curvature of these paths can add or subtract great distances without the overall turning being obvious to someone traveling it.

LMAO!.. We only require a speed and distance calculator to learn why this is a laughable joke. ;) And what's worse, it has no "data" to support it,  and it relies on a conspiracy theory to give it magical credibility.. You need to Lurk more into an education Pizzaplanet if this is your best effort in terms of an opposing argument. And again this still show's your lack of understanding the difference between 486 million sq miles and 196 million sq miles. Congrats for posting a link to nonsensical arguments!

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A clear misunderstanding of what sarcasm is. Yes, my nickname is slightly ironic, the reason of which being that it was so designed. Incoherently putting it in sentences constitutes no less but... incoherence. Do note how that != sarcasm. I suggest that you get a dictionary (exempli gratia: http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/sarcasm) and check what the words you use mean.

Wiki:
Sarcasm is ?a sharp, bitter, or cutting expression or remark; a bitter jibe or taunt.? [1] Some authorities sharply distinguish sarcasm from irony,[2] however others argue that sarcasm may or often does involve irony.[3]

Rethink this through "a bitter jibe or taunt." Let me know when you can keep up Pizza. And yes, your nick is also Ironic.

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No one said anything about the society. Just the Earth. That's where RET took their measurement from, or at least I hope so. In your own words:

You do realize that you tried to state that RET took their measurement from FET correct? And who do you suppose came up with the FET? It seems that you were suggesting otherwise, although be it indirectly. So you agree that RET got their measurement from Earth to which directly falsifies your entire argument! That's good to know!. And here is something interesting, who in FET measured the circumference of Earth? Ah yeah, more magical data that doesn't exist ;) Sorry Pizzaplanet, but the diameter of 24900.2077 was taken from RE's circumference. But I guess in your little kid world ignorance is bliss.

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Additionally, I encourage you to use the search function to find out more about Eratosthenes's mistakes. It sure is good to know history, but it's also very useful to know your opponent in a debate.

His mistakes only effected the exact number of the circumference and nothing more son. We can accurately measure the circumference. And sorry his experiment doesn't show a flat earth kid lol. You do comprehend what the experiment involves correct?.. You do understand how modern science comprehends this correct? You do understand that under FE there would be no degree of arc correct? And you do comprehend how your UA theory states that your position is that of the vertex position within a parabolic bowl correct?.. Yeah well educated you are not pizzaplanet.

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He assumed the light beams from the Sun were parallel at the Earth - a fair assumption. He knew of a place in Syene (Aswan), some 800 km due south of Alexandria, where the sun shone vertically down a wellshaft on only one day a year, at noon - Midsummer's day. This implied to him that on this date, at this location the sun was directly overhead at 0 deg. He thought that if the Earth were curved, then at Alexandria, on the same day, at the same time, if a shadow were cast then it would imply curvature of the Earth's surface. Also, by measuring the length of the shadow and the height of the object casting it - simple post - he could calculate the angle of the rays in degrees. By dividing the distance to Aswan by this gave the distance for 1 deg of arc across the Earth's surface, and multiplying this result by 360 degrees would give the circumference of the Earth. This he did and came up with a result that wasn't bettered until the late C18 - 38400km.


So let's Give you some homework Pizzaplanet ;)

Experiment 1:

Step 1:

Take a basketball and pin some small thumb tacks all along the lines on the ball.

Step 2: Get a lamp, or other source of light and observe the shadows being cast by the thumb tacks..

Step 3: Measure shadow distance, direction, degree of direction, and light source angles from observer, and horizon.

Step 3: Repeat using a flat surface :)

Conclusion:

you will find how correct Eratosthenes's was in the fact that the Earth is a sphere and not a flat disk.  

Experiment 2:

You also might want to learn how shadows are casting when the light source is horizontal over a flat plane pizzaplanet. Here you can feel free to shine a light source across a round flat table in a dark room to understand why the FET argument is laughable..

Step 1:

Take a round flat table and put objects tall and short, or of equal height all around the table

Step 2:

Turn off the lights

Step 3:

Shine a light source across the table Horizontally

Step 4:

Observe the shadows casting across the surface

Step 5: Measure shadow distance, direction, degree of direction, and light source angles from observer and the horizon.

Step 6:

Attempt to make the source of light at high noon at one location while setting and rising on the horizon at two other locations at all times ;) And can you do this without effecting shadow casting LOL..

Conclusion:

FET is laughable! and it literally takes a moron to actually believe it.

Some other resources:

http://www.earthmagazine.org/earth/article/219-7d9-5-d
http://www.ipy.org/ipy-blogs/item/1120-studying-sun-shadows-around-the-world
http://passporttoknowledge.com/sun/educators/noonshadows.html
http://sunship.currentsky.com/stick.html
http://www.earthsciweek.org/researchproject/index.html
http://www.sunposition.com/
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Astronomy-1360/Sun-position-using-GPS-1.htm
http://solardat.uoregon.edu/SunChartProgram.html
http://freegeographytools.com/2007/sun-position-during-the-day-for-any-location

Or you can revert back to these:

*Determine the Circumference of the Earth Using the Sun.. You can even translate these to longitude and latitude coordinates. Smiley
http://www.sciencebuddies.org/science-fair-projects/project_ideas/Astro_p018.shtml

*we can Watch a video on how you can determine Longitude and latitude via the Sun Smiley Oh the sailors Friends, and amazing how accurate this is to GPS, and spherical Earth.
http://www.wonderhowto.com/how-to-find-south-latitude-and-longitude-with-sun-267789/


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How about because a round earth is the only shape where the experiment works consistently when measurements are taken from different locations?  Measurements from different locations on a flat earth yield inconsistent results.  But you already knew that, didn't you?


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You do realize that using [sic] here makes no sense whatsoever, do you? Of course you do. In that case, why are you doing it? Moreover, what's "earths"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sic

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Sic is a Latin word meaning "thus", "so", "as such", or "in such a manner". It is used when writing quoted material to indicate that an incorrect or unusual spelling, phrase, punctuation or meaning in the quote has been reproduced verbatim from the original and is not a transcription error (i.e. it appeared thus in the original). It is normally placed within the quoted material, in square brackets and often italicized?[sic]. Alternatively it can appear after the quote in parentheses (round brackets)?(sic).

This only states that the quoted information can have variance because the data can't be 100 percent accurate. Thought It doesn't apply to my FE numbers because I am not quoting myself. I simply failed to remove [sic] from a copy and paste in order to save time. The reason why the land / sea numbers aren't 100 percent accurate is because that changes dynamically and can not be stated and quoted with 100 percent accuracy.

Thus, "earths" vs Earth's is only error on  my part by not correcting someone's incorrect usage of as a proper noun.

And if this is all you have to respond with, it clearly show's your lack of ability to do anything other than to play little childish games in attempt to plead for credibility points. This is common when someone like yourself is out of your league within a debate.

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You're very hypocritical when you make remarks regarding reading comprehension. The reasons why one would believe in a flat Earth are quite separate from religion. Traditionally, I invite you to lurk more prior to posting.

Reading comprehension failure seems to be a common problem with you pizzaplanet, and yes at times I can be hypocritical at 6am in the morning. I never stated I wasn't hypocritical in my error, and I really don't care if I am being hypocritical due to the fact that it's currently irrelevant to the actual focus of the overall discussion of FE vs RE.

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ITT: Blatantly confusing diameter with circumference. Congratulations.

I didn't confuse the two, but error noted in my response to the quote :) However, it was 6am in the morning after being up all night working on some projects :) Again error noted :P

However, it's fair to say that RE isn't using FET diameter as their circumference ;). Granted this can be a circular argument if it weren't for how RE really got their circumference. Hence, I myself don't need FET to accurately calculate Earth circumference ;) This still makes your argument entirely false.

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Yes

Way to contradict yourself! Oh, you're cleverly kidding by posting a link to this:

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A: The airline pilots are guided by their GPS. Remember that satellites do not exist. The replacement data given from pseudolites deliberately throwing distorting all the paths to make it the flights take different times. The curvature of these paths can add or subtract great distances without the overall turning being obvious to someone traveling it.

LMAO!.. We only require a speed and distance calculator to learn why this is a laughable joke. ;) And what's worse, it has no "data" to support it,  and it relies on a conspiracy theory to give it magical credibility.. You need to Lurk more into an education Pizzaplanet if this is your best effort in terms of an opposing argument. And again this still show's your lack of understanding the difference between 486 million sq miles and 196 million sq miles. Congrats for posting a link to nonsensical arguments!



While I appreciate the effort you put into it, your post was too long; as a consequence, I didn't read it.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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While I appreciate the effort you put into it, your post was too long; as a consequence, I didn't read it.

Thanks, but this is like telling an FE that their FAQ is too long to read.. I'm not really concerned with someones lack of attention span or effort in regards to my post. This either show's one to be not interested in the debate, or not willing to honestly partake in the debate. If you want the short answer, then I can just tell you that we can figure out the curvature of the Earth, our longitude and latitude, as well as our estimated GPS location by the use of the Sun. If you want read the information that backs it up, you are then free to do so. However, I will point out that this reply to my post is largely irrelevant to the discussion, and is not an argument against it. Though I appreciate you input on the length of my post ;)

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Thanks, but this is like telling an FE that their FAQ is too long to read..
Yet you still haven't read it..

You do realize that you tried to state that RET took their measurement from FET correct?
No, I said that I hope RET took their measurements from the Earth, which is flat. They could have done it way before FET's embarkation.

And you do comprehend how the UA theory states that your position is that of the vertex position within a parabolic bowl correct?..
I comprehend how it doesn't do that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sic

I simply failed
Yeah.

You need to Lurk more into an education Pizzaplanet
An education.
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hacking your precious forum as we speak 8) 8) 8)

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Yet you still haven't read it..

I haven't? No, I have read it thanks.

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No, I said that I hope RET took their measurements from the Earth, which is flat. They could have done it way before FET's embarkation.

Firstly, this was in addition to your remark. Secondly you fail completely at establishing that the Earth is flat as a "Fact". All you have pizzaplanet is circular pleading arguments with nothing to support them with. Again, learn what a time distance calculator is. And feel free to do those experiments I gave you, you might learn how idiotic your arguments are.

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I comprehend how it doesn't do that.

According to the light bending theory it does. :) Or did you not read your own FAQ? I tell you what, go learn what the vertex position is in relation to the focal point within a parabolic bowl. Clearly, you really are this ignorant in regards to the UA. 


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Yeah, and you failed to understand the meaning of [sic]. Another failure on your part.


You need to Lurk more into an education Pizzaplanet
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An education.

I was supposed to capitalize the a? Nice fail. ;) Yes my punctuation sucks, but it's not nearly as bad as your math skills, or your education in physics son. And the only argument you have pizzaplanet is my punctuation, typos, or other simplistic errors to which I'm sure you are not immune to doing yourself. You have a typical theist behavior of trying to point to your FAQ as if it's a bible, or as if it's stating anything factual with actual data to support it. This here is why you are out of your league, too young, and not educated enough to understand why your FAQ is entirely laughable.


But hey, good job at circular arguments pizzaplanet, it's all you have lol.

Do the Experiments I gave you son, you might actually learn some real science ;)


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