Can someone explain this to me?

If I travelled in an eastern direction, and kept on going, I would eventually end up in the same spot, but I would nearer to that same spot from the west, if there is this so called "ice field" around the earth, would someone see it? And also, as evidence take photos? :S

This question has been addressed in the past.

Their answer is:

It is impossible to travel only eastward because GPS is a big sham and lies to you. it actually causes you to walk in a big circle.

The answer as to the ice wall is that there are millions of guards defending the wall and will shoot anyone on sight that discovers the truth.

If I travelled in an eastern direction, and kept on going, I would eventually end up in the same spot, but I would nearer to that same spot from the west, if there is this so called "ice field" around the earth, would someone see it? And also, as evidence take photos? :S

It has nothing to do with GPS.  When you circumnavigate the globe you are actually travelling a circular path around the North Pole.

Quote from: TheEarthIsTheEarth on June 03, 2010, 08:44:50 AM

If I travelled in an eastern direction, and kept on going, I would eventually end up in the same spot, but I would nearer to that same spot from the west, if there is this so called "ice field" around the earth, would someone see it? And also, as evidence take photos? :S

It has nothing to do with GPS.  When you circumnavigate the globe you are actually travelling a circular path around the North Pole.

You can only circumnavigate the globe, you would have to walk in a straight line, is what he is saying. in FET you would have to turn, walking in a different direction. you walk in a straight line using reference to a GPS. dont you?

Quote from: TheEarthIsTheEarth on June 03, 2010, 08:44:50 AM

If I travelled in an eastern direction, and kept on going, I would eventually end up in the same spot, but I would nearer to that same spot from the west, if there is this so called "ice field" around the earth, would someone see it? And also, as evidence take photos? :S

It has nothing to do with GPS.  When you circumnavigate the globe you are actually travelling a circular path around the North Pole.

Proof/reason for this?  I'm pretty confident in humans to travel in a straight line.  It's not difficult.

Quote from: John Davis on June 03, 2010, 12:39:05 PM

Quote from: TheEarthIsTheEarth on June 03, 2010, 08:44:50 AM

If I travelled in an eastern direction, and kept on going, I would eventually end up in the same spot, but I would nearer to that same spot from the west, if there is this so called "ice field" around the earth, would someone see it? And also, as evidence take photos? :S

It has nothing to do with GPS.  When you circumnavigate the globe you are actually travelling a circular path around the North Pole.

Proof/reason for this?  I'm pretty confident in humans to travel in a straight line.  It's not difficult.

Basically, using compasses for navigation causes you to walk in a big circle around the world. Apparently there are navigation tools that would still let you travel in a straight line, but FE'ers ignore those, or say there are still errors that invalidate those tools.

Basically, using compasses for navigation causes you to walk in a big circle around the world. Apparently there are navigation tools that would still let you travel in a straight line, but FE'ers ignore those, or say there are still errors that invalidate those tools.

The thing is that the concept of a straight line on the surface of a rather large sphere can be subject to interpretation.

Quote from: Tech on June 03, 2010, 08:30:14 PM

Basically, using compasses for navigation causes you to walk in a big circle around the world. Apparently there are navigation tools that would still let you travel in a straight line, but FE'ers ignore those, or say there are still errors that invalidate those tools.

The thing is that the concept of a straight line on the surface of a rather large sphere can be subject to interpretation.

Not really.  The only "straight line" on a sphere is a great circle.  Anything else is curved.

Of course, the only great circle running east-west (as specified by the OP) is the equator.  So if you travel due east on the spherical Earth, unless you're right on the equator, you're traveling along a curve.

Quote from: markjo on June 03, 2010, 09:06:33 PM

Quote from: Tech on June 03, 2010, 08:30:14 PM

Basically, using compasses for navigation causes you to walk in a big circle around the world. Apparently there are navigation tools that would still let you travel in a straight line, but FE'ers ignore those, or say there are still errors that invalidate those tools.

The thing is that the concept of a straight line on the surface of a rather large sphere can be subject to interpretation.

Not really.  The only "straight line" on a sphere is a great circle.  Anything else is curved.

Of course, the only great circle running east-west (as specified by the OP) is the equator.  So if you travel due east on the spherical Earth, unless you're right on the equator, you're traveling along a curve.

Sorry for not clarifying. What I meant was these navigational tools can lead you due East or West, indefinitely.

Quote from: markjo on June 03, 2010, 09:06:33 PM

Quote from: Tech on June 03, 2010, 08:30:14 PM

Basically, using compasses for navigation causes you to walk in a big circle around the world. Apparently there are navigation tools that would still let you travel in a straight line, but FE'ers ignore those, or say there are still errors that invalidate those tools.

The thing is that the concept of a straight line on the surface of a rather large sphere can be subject to interpretation.

Not really.  The only "straight line" on a sphere is a great circle.  Anything else is curved.

Unless you want to be pedantic (like so many FE'ers can be) and say that a straight line is tangent to the surface of a sphere.

What tools are these?

Three sticks should suffice.

Quote from: Tech on June 03, 2010, 09:30:21 PM

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on June 03, 2010, 09:15:23 PM

Quote from: markjo on June 03, 2010, 09:06:33 PM

Quote from: Tech on June 03, 2010, 08:30:14 PM

Basically, using compasses for navigation causes you to walk in a big circle around the world. Apparently there are navigation tools that would still let you travel in a straight line, but FE'ers ignore those, or say there are still errors that invalidate those tools.

The thing is that the concept of a straight line on the surface of a rather large sphere can be subject to interpretation.

Not really.  The only "straight line" on a sphere is a great circle.  Anything else is curved.

Of course, the only great circle running east-west (as specified by the OP) is the equator.  So if you travel due east on the spherical Earth, unless you're right on the equator, you're traveling along a curve.

Sorry for not clarifying. What I meant was these navigational tools can lead you due East or West, indefinitely.

What tools are these?

A gyroscope or something...ask Thermal Detonator.

Quote from: John Davis on June 03, 2010, 12:39:05 PM

Quote from: TheEarthIsTheEarth on June 03, 2010, 08:44:50 AM

If I travelled in an eastern direction, and kept on going, I would eventually end up in the same spot, but I would nearer to that same spot from the west, if there is this so called "ice field" around the earth, would someone see it? And also, as evidence take photos? :S

It has nothing to do with GPS.  When you circumnavigate the globe you are actually travelling a circular path around the North Pole.

You can only circumnavigate the globe, you would have to walk in a straight line, is what he is saying. in FET you would have to turn, walking in a different direction. you walk in a straight line using reference to a GPS. dont you?

You can't circumnavigate a globe by walking a straight line.  You would end up in space.

You could always use a compass?

You can't circumnavigate a globe by walking a straight line.  You would end up in space.

Hi John.  We were just talking about you.

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on June 03, 2010, 09:15:23 PM

Quote from: markjo on June 03, 2010, 09:06:33 PM

Quote from: Tech on June 03, 2010, 08:30:14 PM

Basically, using compasses for navigation causes you to walk in a big circle around the world. Apparently there are navigation tools that would still let you travel in a straight line, but FE'ers ignore those, or say there are still errors that invalidate those tools.

The thing is that the concept of a straight line on the surface of a rather large sphere can be subject to interpretation.

Not really.  The only "straight line" on a sphere is a great circle.  Anything else is curved.

Unless you want to be pedantic (like so many FE'ers can be) and say that a straight line is tangent to the surface of a sphere.

You can't circumnavigate a globe by walking a straight line.

Luckily the earth is flat, so there is no danger to the experimenter.

Correct?

Quote from: John Davis on June 04, 2010, 03:44:33 PM

You can't circumnavigate a globe by walking a straight line.

Luckily the earth is flat, so there is no danger to the experimenter.

Correct?

How do you circumnavigate anything by traveling in a straight line? 

How do you circumnavigate anything by traveling in a straight line? 

Who knows? There are popular answers from the past...

1) the conspiracy pulls you off course.
2) define "line"
3) we can never truly know what a straight line is

What about circumnavigation that doesn't go east to west, but rather north to south?  Going around the world while crossing both poles, instead of following the equator.  Because on your map, it's absolutely possible to travel in a straight line if you're traveling north or south.  What would happen then FE'er?  Say you start at the north pole and head south.  According to your model, it is impossible to reach your starting point.  You either hit the ice wall, of fall off into space; depending on which FE map you believe.

Now with pics.  I've added the flight paths in red.

Quote from: Crustinator on June 04, 2010, 04:08:16 PM

Quote from: John Davis on June 04, 2010, 03:44:33 PM

You can't circumnavigate a globe by walking a straight line.

Luckily the earth is flat, so there is no danger to the experimenter.

Correct?

How do you circumnavigate anything by traveling in a straight line? 

By being in orbit of a heavenly body.

Quote from: markjo on June 04, 2010, 04:13:19 PM

Quote from: Crustinator on June 04, 2010, 04:08:16 PM

Quote from: John Davis on June 04, 2010, 03:44:33 PM

You can't circumnavigate a globe by walking a straight line.

Luckily the earth is flat, so there is no danger to the experimenter.

Correct?

How do you circumnavigate anything by traveling in a straight line? 

By being in orbit of a heavenly body.

Not touching my question, huh?

Silver, where does a compass point if placed at, or near to, a magnetic pole?
Congratulations, you have just answered your own question, with no help from a FE'er.

Quote from: John Davis on June 04, 2010, 05:41:51 PM

Quote from: markjo on June 04, 2010, 04:13:19 PM

Quote from: Crustinator on June 04, 2010, 04:08:16 PM

Quote from: John Davis on June 04, 2010, 03:44:33 PM

You can't circumnavigate a globe by walking a straight line.

Luckily the earth is flat, so there is no danger to the experimenter.

Correct?

How do you circumnavigate anything by traveling in a straight line? 

By being in orbit of a heavenly body.

Not touching my question, huh?

No reason to.

What about circumnavigation that doesn't go east to west, but rather north to south?  Going around the world while crossing both poles, instead of following the equator.  Because on your map, it's absolutely possible to travel in a straight line if you're traveling north or south.  What would happen then FE'er?  Say you start at the north pole and head south.  According to your model, it is impossible to reach your starting point.  You either hit the ice wall, of fall off into space; depending on which FE map you believe.

Now with pics.  I've added the flight paths in red.

So, I posed the above question.  With a globe, it is fairly easy to circumnavigate the planet going from the north pole and heading south, eventually reaching the north pole again.  John Davis feels that this is something that FES has no reason to address.

Quote from: Sliver on June 04, 2010, 06:58:51 PM

Not touching my question, huh?

No reason to.

My question is, why?  This seems like a very important issue.  See, all it would take to completely disprove FET entirely would be to circumnavigate the globe going from your starting point and heading directly south, or north, until you reach your starting point.  I'd love to see what a FE'er thinks about this.

Silver, where does a compass point if placed at, or near to, a magnetic pole?
Congratulations, you have just answered your own question, with no help from a FE'er.

Um, your post in no way addresses what would happen in FET to allow you to reach your starting point.

Quote from: markjo on June 04, 2010, 04:13:19 PM

Quote from: Crustinator on June 04, 2010, 04:08:16 PM

Quote from: John Davis on June 04, 2010, 03:44:33 PM

You can't circumnavigate a globe by walking a straight line.

Luckily the earth is flat, so there is no danger to the experimenter.

Correct?

How do you circumnavigate anything by traveling in a straight line? 

By being in orbit of a heavenly body.

Orbits are curved, not straight. If you wer to travel straight you would leave the orbit and move into space. Isn't it hateful having someone be pedantic at you?

Quote from: John Davis on June 04, 2010, 05:41:51 PM

Quote from: markjo on June 04, 2010, 04:13:19 PM

Quote from: Crustinator on June 04, 2010, 04:08:16 PM

Quote from: John Davis on June 04, 2010, 03:44:33 PM

You can't circumnavigate a globe by walking a straight line.

Luckily the earth is flat, so there is no danger to the experimenter.

Correct?

How do you circumnavigate anything by traveling in a straight line? 

By being in orbit of a heavenly body.

Orbits are curved, not straight. If you wer to travel straight you would leave the orbit and move into space. Isn't it hateful having someone be pedantic at you?

No, actually they are straight.  Objects travel in a straight line unless acted upon by an outside force.

Quote from: PunyBanner on June 08, 2010, 12:04:11 AM

Quote from: John Davis on June 04, 2010, 05:41:51 PM

Quote from: markjo on June 04, 2010, 04:13:19 PM

Quote from: Crustinator on June 04, 2010, 04:08:16 PM

Quote from: John Davis on June 04, 2010, 03:44:33 PM

You can't circumnavigate a globe by walking a straight line.

Luckily the earth is flat, so there is no danger to the experimenter.

Correct?

How do you circumnavigate anything by traveling in a straight line? 

By being in orbit of a heavenly body.

Orbits are curved, not straight. If you wer to travel straight you would leave the orbit and move into space. Isn't it hateful having someone be pedantic at you?

No, actually they are straight.  Objects travel in a straight line unless acted upon by an outside force.

or·bit (ôrbt)
n.
1.
a. The path of a celestial body or an artificial satellite as it revolves around another body.
b. One complete revolution of such a body.
2. The path of a body in a field of force surrounding another body; for example, the movement of an atomic electron in relation to a nucleus.
3.
a. A range of activity, experience, or knowledge.
b. A range of control or influence: "What magnetism drew these quaking ruined creatures into his orbit?" (Malcolm Lowry). See Synonyms at range.
4. Either of two bony cavities in the skull containing an eye and its external structures; an eye socket.
v. or·bit·ed, or·bit·ing, or·bits
v.tr.
1. To put into an orbit: orbit a satellite.
2. To revolve around (a center of attraction): The moon orbits Earth.
v.intr.
To move in an orbit.

Note words like, "around," "revolution," "revolve." These are not words used to describe straight lines. I never disagreed that objects move in a straight line unless acted upon by a force, I disagreed that orbits were straight lines, when, by definition, they are curved.
Wether working within a FE or RE model this does not change, in order to orbit something an object must follow a curved path.

No, actually they are straight.  Objects travel in a straight line unless acted upon by an outside force.

And an object travelling in a straight line is not in orbit.

Quote from: PunyBanner on June 08, 2010, 12:04:11 AM

Quote from: John Davis on June 04, 2010, 05:41:51 PM

Quote from: markjo on June 04, 2010, 04:13:19 PM

Quote from: Crustinator on June 04, 2010, 04:08:16 PM

Quote from: John Davis on June 04, 2010, 03:44:33 PM

You can't circumnavigate a globe by walking a straight line.

Luckily the earth is flat, so there is no danger to the experimenter.

Correct?

How do you circumnavigate anything by traveling in a straight line? 

By being in orbit of a heavenly body.

Orbits are curved, not straight. If you wer to travel straight you would leave the orbit and move into space. Isn't it hateful having someone be pedantic at you?

No, actually they are straight.  Objects travel in a straight line unless acted upon by an outside force.

Orbits require a central force, whether from mass, a magnetic field, electric field, a tension, etc., and therefore the object is being acted upon by an outside force.

So, I posed the above question.  With a globe, it is fairly easy to circumnavigate the planet going from the north pole and heading south, eventually reaching the north pole again.

Tell me, is it so easy to circumnavigate a globe that people do it regularly without instrumentation or guaging their position with respect to the stars? Because if they're using instruments or the stars, then I don't see how it's any 'easier' on a globe than on a flat Earth.