Gemorphologic traits of the Earth

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Parsifal

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Re: Gemorphologic traits of the Earth
« Reply #30 on: May 19, 2010, 09:49:56 AM »
please if every instance of force is a vector quantity explain pressure. Pressure is a Force that has no directionality. Oh wait I forgot, since it doesn't agree with FE it's a conspiracy.... right? Your pathetic semantics are just that :/ answer the question please.  ;D

Pressure is not a force, pressure is pressure. They aren't even measured using the same units.
I'm going to side with the white supremacists.

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Re: Gemorphologic traits of the Earth
« Reply #31 on: May 19, 2010, 12:33:47 PM »
both particles must have the same type of force bearer for it to exchange virtual particles

I don't get the objection. You will have to show me where the coffin nails are going in.

x-itons mediate the x-force.
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Re: Gemorphologic traits of the Earth
« Reply #32 on: May 19, 2010, 02:03:58 PM »
both particles must have the same type of force bearer for it to exchange virtual particles

I don't get the objection. You will have to show me where the coffin nails are going in.

x-itons mediate the x-force.
ok. so some force x is carried by particle x, these particles exchange virtual ones at a distance and at the speed of light, which causes particle x to accelerate. If some other larger particle contains particle x, it can be said that this larger particle is effected by force x. (example: the swapping of photons causes the elctromagnetic force. if the particle in question has no charge, it cannot partake in this swapping)

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Re: Gemorphologic traits of the Earth
« Reply #33 on: May 19, 2010, 02:25:48 PM »
Affected, and how does this kill my hypothesis?
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Re: Gemorphologic traits of the Earth
« Reply #34 on: May 19, 2010, 04:10:40 PM »
That is a sophomoric attempt to say chemical charge is a substitute for strong and weak nuclear force.

No, it is a sophomoric attempt to say X-force charge is a substitute for gravity.



There was no mention of X force in the original post, just charge variability. When some one says charge I, like most earth scientists think chemical charge (+ & -) of a substance. 


Unfortunatly Newtons first law (absence of net force leaves a body in suspension unless acted upon by another force) just further solidifies why Gravity is necessary for Geomorphic progression. Since in UA the net force is in an upward velocity, mass wasting as well as stream flow would be reversed, and I've yet to encounter a stream flowing up. As for sources, please provide peer reviewed sources conducting legitimate scientific inquiry that resulted in findings conducive to FE. That would be much appreciated. In return I will provide a few peer reviewed sources supporting RE:

http://md1.csa.com/partners/viewrecord.php?requester=gs&collection=TRD&recid=A9218161AH&q=earth+sphericity+&uid=789464004&setcookie=yes

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/119756467/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0

http://geology.gsapubs.org/content/34/10/877.short

http://www.springerlink.com/content/u81520k014t73041/

http://www.seis.nagoya-u.ac.jp/yamaoka/paper/rg.pdf

http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=370924


These papers are from a variety of disciplines all in some way indicating the spheroidal nature of the Earth.

Oh, no one has told you yet? UA only effects the earth such that anything on the surface of the earth isn't effected by it directly. that said, water when in free fall, is stationary. the earth just rushes up to meet it, and wedges it down ward, like what happens if you were to push a ball with a wedge

If Universal Acceleration doesn't effect the entire "flat" earth at the same time it should be renamed to " unknown but subjectively variable force hat pushes everything up but the earths surface" acceleration. An unfortunate hole in your logic is you provide a simple experiment to prove that concept via a wedge and a ball, however since this can be explained by the current RE model of 4 elementary forces and physics, you must do better then that. If that we atmosphere the case the atmosphere would be pushed aside too and the earth would push straight through it. Here's an experiment for you, push a wedge up through a tub of water, what happens when the wedge pushes through the surface of the water? does the water stay on it? or does the water flow back into the tub?

At best UA would cause all water in the world to be continually pressed against the outer extents of the world (the rim) and we would be left with no lakes, no streams etc. the atmosphere would likewise be pushed out the same way and weather could not occur.

As per the concept of free fall......YOU CAN NOT FREE FALL WITH UA... ... without gravity, UA would have to keep pushing you up (seeing as it is UNIVERSAL) so what would cause the water to "free fall"?

EX: what direction does a person in the ocean with exactly neutral buoyancy "fall" ? no where, because gravity is checked by buoyancy and in the absence of another force the person remains at equilibrium. Since FE says there is no mass on earth, why does a rock sink while that person floats?
 The easy answer is density, however:

p=m/v   

is the formula for density, the m = mass, v= volume and p= density. So since density is a function of MASS and volume, nothing can have density on an earth with no mass.



Firstly, I'm not FES. I'm a Real Earther, you know the one that actually exists unstead of the flat one that works on magic. "YOU CAN NOT FREE FALL WITH UA" Yes you can. Imagine that the earth is accelerating towards a still object at 9.8m/s/s. now from the earths frame of reference at what speed are you acceleration at toward the earth? 9.8m/s/s you say? Its called the Equivalency Principal my friend. In this case, it is a fictitious force, it only exists in a non inertial reference frame. And in FE, only inertial mass exists. gravity is a property of gravitational mass, not inertial mass, so p=ymv still works. As for the atmosphere thing, some say the Icewall that is 62 miles high holds it in. Others think there is no edge -that it goes on forever. Finally, some say the UA holds it in somehow.

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Re: Gemorphologic traits of the Earth
« Reply #35 on: May 19, 2010, 05:41:06 PM »
That is a sophomoric attempt to say chemical charge is a substitute for strong and weak nuclear force.

No, it is a sophomoric attempt to say X-force charge is a substitute for gravity.



There was no mention of X force in the original post, just charge variability. When some one says charge I, like most earth scientists think chemical charge (+ & -) of a substance. 


Unfortunatly Newtons first law (absence of net force leaves a body in suspension unless acted upon by another force) just further solidifies why Gravity is necessary for Geomorphic progression. Since in UA the net force is in an upward velocity, mass wasting as well as stream flow would be reversed, and I've yet to encounter a stream flowing up. As for sources, please provide peer reviewed sources conducting legitimate scientific inquiry that resulted in findings conducive to FE. That would be much appreciated. In return I will provide a few peer reviewed sources supporting RE:

http://md1.csa.com/partners/viewrecord.php?requester=gs&collection=TRD&recid=A9218161AH&q=earth+sphericity+&uid=789464004&setcookie=yes

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/119756467/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0

http://geology.gsapubs.org/content/34/10/877.short

http://www.springerlink.com/content/u81520k014t73041/

http://www.seis.nagoya-u.ac.jp/yamaoka/paper/rg.pdf

http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=370924


These papers are from a variety of disciplines all in some way indicating the spheroidal nature of the Earth.

Oh, no one has told you yet? UA only effects the earth such that anything on the surface of the earth isn't effected by it directly. that said, water when in free fall, is stationary. the earth just rushes up to meet it, and wedges it down ward, like what happens if you were to push a ball with a wedge

If Universal Acceleration doesn't effect the entire "flat" earth at the same time it should be renamed to " unknown but subjectively variable force hat pushes everything up but the earths surface" acceleration. An unfortunate hole in your logic is you provide a simple experiment to prove that concept via a wedge and a ball, however since this can be explained by the current RE model of 4 elementary forces and physics, you must do better then that. If that we atmosphere the case the atmosphere would be pushed aside too and the earth would push straight through it. Here's an experiment for you, push a wedge up through a tub of water, what happens when the wedge pushes through the surface of the water? does the water stay on it? or does the water flow back into the tub?

At best UA would cause all water in the world to be continually pressed against the outer extents of the world (the rim) and we would be left with no lakes, no streams etc. the atmosphere would likewise be pushed out the same way and weather could not occur.

As per the concept of free fall......YOU CAN NOT FREE FALL WITH UA... ... without gravity, UA would have to keep pushing you up (seeing as it is UNIVERSAL) so what would cause the water to "free fall"?

EX: what direction does a person in the ocean with exactly neutral buoyancy "fall" ? no where, because gravity is checked by buoyancy and in the absence of another force the person remains at equilibrium. Since FE says there is no mass on earth, why does a rock sink while that person floats?
 The easy answer is density, however:

p=m/v   

is the formula for density, the m = mass, v= volume and p= density. So since density is a function of MASS and volume, nothing can have density on an earth with no mass.



Firstly, I'm not FES. I'm a Real Earther, you know the one that actually exists unstead of the flat one that works on magic. "YOU CAN NOT FREE FALL WITH UA" Yes you can. Imagine that the earth is accelerating towards a still object at 9.8m/s/s. now from the earths frame of reference at what speed are you acceleration at toward the earth? 9.8m/s/s you say? Its called the Equivalency Principal my friend. In this case, it is a fictitious force, it only exists in a non inertial reference frame. And in FE, only inertial mass exists. gravity is a property of gravitational mass, not inertial mass, so p=ymv still works. As for the atmosphere thing, some say the Icewall that is 62 miles high holds it in. Others think there is no edge -that it goes on forever. Finally, some say the UA holds it in somehow.

Agree, but why do you need to explain how the atmosphere is held in place? The UA acceleration field can explain that just as well as gravity.

And just an interesting not, if the earth was a near infinite sphere, we would not be able to distinguish it from a flat surface.