Gemorphologic traits of the Earth

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Gemorphologic traits of the Earth
« on: May 18, 2010, 07:07:03 AM »
It was suggested That I start a new thread for this, so I would like to ask for an explanation of why all Geomorphologic evidence suggests we live on a spheroidal earth rather then a flat one. For the many of you unfamiliar with geomorphology, it is a sub category within geography that deals with geologic process as well as land form genesis and wasting. I will start off by pointing out two discrepancies in FE theory from a Geomorphologic perspective.

1) there is no account for observed evidence of Plate Tectonics

2) a flat Earth without gravity and would not be conducive to land form or stream development, as gravity (UA cannot make up for the shortcomings) is both necessary to cause a stream to move as well as to cause mass wasting events and many forms of weathering aside from fluvial processes.

3) The first poster to say "conspiracy" will have the Bavarian Illuminati up their behinds faster then a bear after honey
4) please brave psuedoskeptic thinkers,  there is no excuse for sub-par citation or avoiding these issues.
5) finally ~ hail Eris



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Re: Gemorphologic traits of the Earth
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2010, 07:09:45 AM »
I would like to add Geomagnetic field reversal as well. Since its pretty telling that Plate Tectonics is real.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_reversal
Then you have provided evidence for the Earth being a sphere

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Re: Gemorphologic traits of the Earth
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2010, 07:15:03 AM »
Excellent, Geomagnetism is a powerful piece of evidence for supporting plate tectonics.  ;D as is Paleobiogeography (distribution of fossil record across the earth), paleclimatology(past climate around the earth) and quite a few other physical studies.
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Re: Gemorphologic traits of the Earth
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2010, 07:29:39 AM »
2) a flat Earth without gravity and would not be conducive to land form or stream development, as gravity (UA cannot make up for the shortcomings) is both necessary to cause a stream to move as well as to cause mass wasting events and many forms of weathering aside from fluvial processes.

Logically, I think erosion would still work with UA, if Newton's First Law applies (I think it's the first...).

I'm far from a UA proponent; it's clearly been disproven.  I'm just sayin'.

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Re: Gemorphologic traits of the Earth
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2010, 07:34:16 AM »
Please see my latest message at the Alternative Flat Earth Theory; I think you will find it very useful...

More on telluric currents:

http://johnbedini.net/john34/groundradio.html



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Re: Gemorphologic traits of the Earth
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2010, 07:48:42 AM »
Unfortunatly Newtons first law (absence of net force leaves a body in suspension unless acted upon by another force) just further solidifies why Gravity is necessary for Geomorphic progression. Since in UA the net force is in an upward velocity, mass wasting as well as stream flow would be reversed, and I've yet to encounter a stream flowing up. As for sources, please provide peer reviewed sources conducting legitimate scientific inquiry that resulted in findings conducive to FE. That would be much appreciated. In return I will provide a few peer reviewed sources supporting RE:

http://md1.csa.com/partners/viewrecord.php?requester=gs&collection=TRD&recid=A9218161AH&q=earth+sphericity+&uid=789464004&setcookie=yes

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/119756467/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0

http://geology.gsapubs.org/content/34/10/877.short

http://www.springerlink.com/content/u81520k014t73041/

http://www.seis.nagoya-u.ac.jp/yamaoka/paper/rg.pdf

http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=370924


These papers are from a variety of disciplines all in some way indicating the spheroidal nature of the Earth.
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Re: Gemorphologic traits of the Earth
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2010, 08:25:56 AM »
the net force is in an upward velocity

Force and velocity are two very different quantities.
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Averti

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Re: Gemorphologic traits of the Earth
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2010, 08:40:03 AM »
Yes thank you, I know that. I SPECIFICALLY used velocity to indicate DIRECTIONALITY to motion. Which is how UA is described, as force pushing a flat earth upwards.
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Re: Gemorphologic traits of the Earth
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2010, 08:48:07 AM »
Yes thank you, I know that. I SPECIFICALLY used velocity to indicate DIRECTIONALITY to motion. Which is how UA is described, as force pushing a flat earth upwards.

Force is a vector quantity; it has direction whether you compare it to another unrelated vector quantity or not.
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Averti

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Re: Gemorphologic traits of the Earth
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2010, 09:09:39 AM »
Not explicitly. Net force is a vector quantity. Force alone is not explicitly a vector quantity. You can argue diction all you like, that still doesn't address the elephant in the room, which is the necessity of downward motion on the earth which isn't accounted for by UA.
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Re: Gemorphologic traits of the Earth
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2010, 10:41:48 AM »
Not explicitly. Net force is a vector quantity. Force alone is not explicitly a vector quantity.

Force is always a vector quantity.
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Re: Gemorphologic traits of the Earth
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2010, 11:54:47 AM »
Not explicitly. Net force is a vector quantity. Force alone is not explicitly a vector quantity.

Force is always a vector quantity.

not if in a problem you use the phrase " amount of force" or simply "force" to mean the magnitude of the force vector.

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Re: Gemorphologic traits of the Earth
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2010, 05:15:36 PM »
Not explicitly. Net force is a vector quantity. Force alone is not explicitly a vector quantity.

Force is always a vector quantity.

not if in a problem you use the phrase " amount of force" or simply "force" to mean the magnitude of the force vector.

Parsifal and most of the other FE "theorists" like to fight endlessly about the exact meaning of one word or another because in that way they put entire pages of thread between their unanswered challenges and the end of the thread.

Meanwhile, the real problems to their nonsense, like the existence of precise seismographic measurements that imply precise distances between seismic events and seismographic detection stations, hopefully get forgotten behind boring pages of personal attacks and other noise.

Every seismographic station receives a set of very clear signals for every big earthquake on the planet, and calculate the distance to the epicenter to a few kilometers of error, maybe even better. If Earth is flat, every person with access to this information is in the Conspiracy.

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Re: Gemorphologic traits of the Earth
« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2010, 06:18:09 PM »
please if every instance of force is a vector quantity explain pressure. Pressure is a Force that has no directionality. Oh wait I forgot, since it doesn't agree with FE it's a conspiracy.... right? Your pathetic semantics are just that :/ answer the question please.  ;D
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Re: Gemorphologic traits of the Earth
« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2010, 09:08:56 PM »
You might also mention the seismic detectors scattered all over the world, and how the times at which they detect earthquakes (from which you can calculate distance and as a bonus the composition of the earth) all indicate the spherical shape of the earth.
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Re: Gemorphologic traits of the Earth
« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2010, 09:36:02 PM »
I could, but since any abstract science is a conspiracy, I felt it was safer to stick to something they could step outside of their basements and see with their own eyes. But of course, seismic data is yintegral in contemporary geology and geography's understanding of the earths size shape and composition.  ;D
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Re: Gemorphologic traits of the Earth
« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2010, 09:48:22 PM »
I have a hypothesis I'm chewing over: The Earth may be an accretion upon the lower of two transparent plates, forces being generated as a consequence of the difference in "charge"* across and between those two plates.













* I don't mean electromagnetism, but something else entirely.
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Re: Gemorphologic traits of the Earth
« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2010, 10:06:46 PM »
And the difference in charge doesn't kill everything with electrical discharge how? I have a theory too.... Geophysics. Encase you are wondering, a difference in charges between plates would only accomplish massive amounts of lightening (cloud physics 101) until the charges balanced out. at which point there would be no more charge disparity to create "forces". How  by chance does a difference in charge across space cause these purported "forces" to begin with besides a very ambiguous electromagnetism?
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Re: Gemorphologic traits of the Earth
« Reply #18 on: May 18, 2010, 10:25:05 PM »
And the difference in charge doesn't kill everything with electrical discharge how?

It's not  electric charge.

I'm talking about an explanation of gravitation, or the phenomenon commonly known as gravitation, as applied to a flat Earth.

The two plates generate what you might call "gravitational potentials".

I think this way about FETs because it's the only way I can see that neutrino detection experiments can be explained.

I think the forces generated by these plates could perhaps explain Bendy Light too, so it's well within the mainstream tradition of unification.



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Re: Gemorphologic traits of the Earth
« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2010, 10:30:15 PM »
that doesn't explain anything. That is a sophomoric attempt to say chemical charge is a substitute for strong and weak nuclear force. While many would lead you to believe gravitation and gravity are separate.... THEY ARE NOT. perhaps they mean Attraction, but that is not what is stated. Besides Gravity only Nuclear forces effect neutrinos, and as such no EM force caused by chemical charge could explain that.  Valiant effort though  ;)
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Re: Gemorphologic traits of the Earth
« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2010, 10:32:21 PM »
Unfortunatly Newtons first law (absence of net force leaves a body in suspension unless acted upon by another force) just further solidifies why Gravity is necessary for Geomorphic progression. Since in UA the net force is in an upward velocity, mass wasting as well as stream flow would be reversed, and I've yet to encounter a stream flowing up. As for sources, please provide peer reviewed sources conducting legitimate scientific inquiry that resulted in findings conducive to FE. That would be much appreciated. In return I will provide a few peer reviewed sources supporting RE:

http://md1.csa.com/partners/viewrecord.php?requester=gs&collection=TRD&recid=A9218161AH&q=earth+sphericity+&uid=789464004&setcookie=yes

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/119756467/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0

http://geology.gsapubs.org/content/34/10/877.short

http://www.springerlink.com/content/u81520k014t73041/

http://www.seis.nagoya-u.ac.jp/yamaoka/paper/rg.pdf

http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=370924


These papers are from a variety of disciplines all in some way indicating the spheroidal nature of the Earth.

Oh, no one has told you yet? UA only effects the earth such that anything on the surface of the earth isn't effected by it directly. that said, water when in freefall, is stationary. the earth just rushes up to meet it, and wedges it down ward, like what happens if you were to push a ball with a wedge

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« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2010, 10:33:49 PM »
That is a sophomoric attempt to say chemical charge is a substitute for strong and weak nuclear force.

No, it is a sophomoric attempt to say X-force charge is a substitute for gravity.

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Re: Gemorphologic traits of the Earth
« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2010, 10:41:06 PM »
That is a sophomoric attempt to say chemical charge is a substitute for strong and weak nuclear force.

No, it is a sophomoric attempt to say X-force charge is a substitute for gravity.



Congratulation. you have just hypothesized gravity. only this time instead of it being a property of mass, its a property of these plates made of god knows what, but somehow the waves interact with objects, but objects couldn't produce the force themselves. this is the equivalent of having electromagnetism, and for some reason wood is attracted to the magnets, yet wood not being able to be magnetized.

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« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2010, 10:42:50 PM »
this is the equivalent of having electromagnetism, and for some reason wood is attracted to the magnets, yet wood not being able to be magnetized.

Wood IS influenced by magnets.
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Re: Gemorphologic traits of the Earth
« Reply #24 on: May 18, 2010, 10:56:45 PM »
That is a sophomoric attempt to say chemical charge is a substitute for strong and weak nuclear force.

No, it is a sophomoric attempt to say X-force charge is a substitute for gravity.



There was no mention of X force in the original post, just charge variability. When some one says charge I, like most earth scientists think chemical charge (+ & -) of a substance. 


Unfortunatly Newtons first law (absence of net force leaves a body in suspension unless acted upon by another force) just further solidifies why Gravity is necessary for Geomorphic progression. Since in UA the net force is in an upward velocity, mass wasting as well as stream flow would be reversed, and I've yet to encounter a stream flowing up. As for sources, please provide peer reviewed sources conducting legitimate scientific inquiry that resulted in findings conducive to FE. That would be much appreciated. In return I will provide a few peer reviewed sources supporting RE:

http://md1.csa.com/partners/viewrecord.php?requester=gs&collection=TRD&recid=A9218161AH&q=earth+sphericity+&uid=789464004&setcookie=yes

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/119756467/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0

http://geology.gsapubs.org/content/34/10/877.short

http://www.springerlink.com/content/u81520k014t73041/

http://www.seis.nagoya-u.ac.jp/yamaoka/paper/rg.pdf

http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=370924


These papers are from a variety of disciplines all in some way indicating the spheroidal nature of the Earth.

Oh, no one has told you yet? UA only effects the earth such that anything on the surface of the earth isn't effected by it directly. that said, water when in free fall, is stationary. the earth just rushes up to meet it, and wedges it down ward, like what happens if you were to push a ball with a wedge

If Universal Acceleration doesn't effect the entire "flat" earth at the same time it should be renamed to " unknown but subjectively variable force hat pushes everything up but the earths surface" acceleration. An unfortunate hole in your logic is you provide a simple experiment to prove that concept via a wedge and a ball, however since this can be explained by the current RE model of 4 elementary forces and physics, you must do better then that. If that we atmosphere the case the atmosphere would be pushed aside too and the earth would push straight through it. Here's an experiment for you, push a wedge up through a tub of water, what happens when the wedge pushes through the surface of the water? does the water stay on it? or does the water flow back into the tub?

At best UA would cause all water in the world to be continually pressed against the outer extents of the world (the rim) and we would be left with no lakes, no streams etc. the atmosphere would likewise be pushed out the same way and weather could not occur.

As per the concept of free fall......YOU CAN NOT FREE FALL WITH UA... ... without gravity, UA would have to keep pushing you up (seeing as it is UNIVERSAL) so what would cause the water to "free fall"?

EX: what direction does a person in the ocean with exactly neutral buoyancy "fall" ? no where, because gravity is checked by buoyancy and in the absence of another force the person remains at equilibrium. Since FE says there is no mass on earth, why does a rock sink while that person floats?
 The easy answer is density, however:

p=m/v   

is the formula for density, the m = mass, v= volume and p= density. So since density is a function of MASS and volume, nothing can have density on an earth with no mass.

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Re: Gemorphologic traits of the Earth
« Reply #25 on: May 18, 2010, 11:04:34 PM »
. When some one says charge I, like most earth scientists think chemical charge (+ & -) of a substance. 

Most scientists are not from Earth.

However, since geologists understandably tend to get attached to their own rock  we'll let that go.
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« Reply #26 on: May 18, 2010, 11:06:39 PM »
you are mistaken, I am a GEOGRAPHER not a geologist. Although geology is a required field of study within Physical Geography there are some very important differences. for one, this entire society is proposing an alternate GEOGRAPHY, as opposed to an alternate geology. I'd imagine any discourse on physical geology would degrade into more of a mess the the topic of the earths physical geography.
And when i said earth scientist that wasn't a cute alien joke, it was in reference to an academic sub field known as " earth science" which encompass all physical sciences that study the EARTH.

Edit; though i do remember a post by a geologist a few days ago....
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« Reply #27 on: May 18, 2010, 11:21:46 PM »
And when i said earth scientist that wasn't a cute alien joke, it was in reference to an academic sub field known as " earth science" which encompass all physical sciences that study the EARTH.

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« Reply #28 on: May 18, 2010, 11:25:19 PM »
 ;D lol alien scientist joke!
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Re: Gemorphologic traits of the Earth
« Reply #29 on: May 19, 2010, 07:00:05 AM »
this is the equivalent of having electromagnetism, and for some reason wood is attracted to the magnets, yet wood not being able to be magnetized.

Wood IS influenced by magnets.

bad example.
its like a particle with no charge bearer being effected by electromagnetism. but that is not how forces work. both particles must have the same type of force bearer for it to exchange virtual particles