Flat Earth moves upwards?

Ok, I have a question for flat earth people. In the FET, the Earth is moving upwards at 9.8 m/s^2.

But why? There has to be a force pushing on the Earth. That's just a little something for Flat Earthers to think about.

To be quite honest, there's only one reason I don't believe in the FET and that's because I don't think a conspiracy of this scale would happen, its something that i would have to see to believe.

I also don't think that there are 30-40,000 ice wall guards sitting there inbreeding with themselves, having been locked away from modern society for years. I honestly don't see where that comes from, =P i could come up with a better reason than that.

Have fun Discussing that why the FET earth moves upwards =P

Ok, I have a question for flat earth people. In the FET, the Earth is moving upwards at 9.8 m/s^2.

But why? There has to be a force pushing on the Earth. That's just a little something for Flat Earthers to think about.

We call it Universal Acceleration (or UA).  Some believe it's caused by dark energy, others by dark matter.  In either case it's really just a placeholder name for a force we can observe and define but don't really understand the mechanism behind.

I also don't think that there are 30-40,000 ice wall guards sitting there inbreeding with themselves, having been locked away from modern society for years. I honestly don't see where that comes from, =P i could come up with a better reason than that.

Most of us don't believe that either.  It was a theory in the early days of the forums that has really just stuck around as a joke, I think.

[We call it Universal Acceleration (or UA).  Some believe it's caused by dark energy, others by dark matter.  In either case it's really just a placeholder name for a force we can observe and define but don't really understand the mechanism behind.

Why do we observe some places to have a stronger gravitational force between the same masses, then?  If we're dealing with acceleration instead of gravity, then some places on the Earth must be accelerating with more jerk than others.

Quote from: RoundEarthWinners on April 29, 2010, 08:35:10 PM

I also don't think that there are 30-40,000 ice wall guards sitting there inbreeding with themselves, having been locked away from modern society for years. I honestly don't see where that comes from, =P i could come up with a better reason than that.

Most of us don't believe that either.  It was a theory in the early days of the forums that has really just stuck around as a joke, I think.

Maybe there should be labels in the FAQ: "Joke" and "Serious Business"

Why do we observe some places to have a stronger gravitational force between the same masses, then?  If we're dealing with acceleration instead of gravity, then some places on the Earth must be accelerating with more jerk than others.

The two mots plausible explanations are:
Heavenly bodies exert a pull.
The Earth exerts a small, but existent, pull, and the "underneath" of the earth is inconsistent.

Why do we observe some places to have a stronger gravitational force between the same masses, then?

You'll need to be a little more specific, there.

To be quite honest, there's only one reason I don't believe in the FET and that's because I don't think a conspiracy of this scale would happen, its something that i would have to see to believe.

I am a little concerned that people like you do not see more reasons to accept that Earth is round.

Too many of our schools, in every country, fail to show what science is really about and let people learn that things are one way or another "because the experts say so". But science is really about giving everyone direct contact with evidence and with the process that made us reach these conclusions.

Lets see science of the most basic kind: we are sitting on an object (Earth) of an unknown shape, that is too big to see from any vantage point where a direct observation would be possible. What should we do?

First, we get reference points in which we can rely on. After a while, the stars seem the best option. Then we observe the stars from different places of the Earth and find that they do not move with respect to one another when we move around Earth. Now we have something we can do measures against. Now we have a way to measure something (Earth) that is too big to see in its entirety.

Navigators everywhere did the above since more than 600 years ago, and gave us what we need: every time you move 60 nautical miles North the stars move one degree South. This is a repeatable measurement that has worked flawlessly for centuries.

Now we can go back to the shape of the Earth: what shape of Earth fits the measurements?

Quote from: Ellipsis on April 29, 2010, 09:19:39 PM

Why do we observe some places to have a stronger gravitational force between the same masses, then?

You'll need to be a little more specific, there.

Masses = The Earth's and that of anything on its surface.
Places = Different locations on the Earth's surface.

Compare the equator to either pole for the most obvious difference.

Quote from: RoundEarthWinners on April 29, 2010, 08:35:10 PM

Ok, I have a question for flat earth people. In the FET, the Earth is moving upwards at 9.8 m/s^2.

But why? There has to be a force pushing on the Earth. That's just a little something for Flat Earthers to think about.

We call it Universal Acceleration (or UA).  Some believe it's caused by dark energy, others by dark matter.  In either case it's really just a placeholder name for a force we can observe and define but don't really understand the mechanism behind.

So you're telling me nothing in the world falls? The Earth just comes up to us? And doesn't that mean that the Earth is rising all the time?

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on April 29, 2010, 09:10:37 PM

Quote from: RoundEarthWinners on April 29, 2010, 08:35:10 PM

Ok, I have a question for flat earth people. In the FET, the Earth is moving upwards at 9.8 m/s^2.

But why? There has to be a force pushing on the Earth. That's just a little something for Flat Earthers to think about.

We call it Universal Acceleration (or UA).  Some believe it's caused by dark energy, others by dark matter.  In either case it's really just a placeholder name for a force we can observe and define but don't really understand the mechanism behind.

So you're telling me nothing in the world falls? The Earth just comes up to us? And doesn't that mean that the Earth is rising all the time?

Yes to all questions.

Quote from: Rahimz on May 05, 2010, 04:05:25 PM

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on April 29, 2010, 09:10:37 PM

Quote from: RoundEarthWinners on April 29, 2010, 08:35:10 PM

Ok, I have a question for flat earth people. In the FET, the Earth is moving upwards at 9.8 m/s^2.

But why? There has to be a force pushing on the Earth. That's just a little something for Flat Earthers to think about.

We call it Universal Acceleration (or UA).  Some believe it's caused by dark energy, others by dark matter.  In either case it's really just a placeholder name for a force we can observe and define but don't really understand the mechanism behind.

So you're telling me nothing in the world falls? The Earth just comes up to us? And doesn't that mean that the Earth is rising all the time?

Yes to all questions.

So how does pouring a glass of something work? Because the glass doesn't go up.

So how does pouring a glass of something work? Because the glass doesn't go up.

Yes, it does.

Quote from: Rahimz on May 05, 2010, 04:53:37 PM

So how does pouring a glass of something work? Because the glass doesn't go up.

Yes, it does.

But when you pour it from the container, it curves. And the drink shouldn't even come out.

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on May 05, 2010, 05:15:48 PM

Quote from: Rahimz on May 05, 2010, 04:53:37 PM

So how does pouring a glass of something work? Because the glass doesn't go up.

Yes, it does.

But when you pour it from the container, it curves. And the drink shouldn't even come out.

The container is moving up too.  I suggest you read about Einstein's equivalency principle if you're having trouble understanding this.

Quote from: Rahimz on May 05, 2010, 05:22:17 PM

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on May 05, 2010, 05:15:48 PM

Quote from: Rahimz on May 05, 2010, 04:53:37 PM

So how does pouring a glass of something work? Because the glass doesn't go up.

Yes, it does.

But when you pour it from the container, it curves. And the drink shouldn't even come out.

The container is moving up too.  I suggest you read about Einstein's equivalency principle if you're having trouble understanding this.

Then I'm moving up too. The liquid is too. And so is the glass. Dynamic Equilibrium.

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on May 05, 2010, 05:25:31 PM

Quote from: Rahimz on May 05, 2010, 05:22:17 PM

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on May 05, 2010, 05:15:48 PM

Quote from: Rahimz on May 05, 2010, 04:53:37 PM

So how does pouring a glass of something work? Because the glass doesn't go up.

Yes, it does.

But when you pour it from the container, it curves. And the drink shouldn't even come out.

The container is moving up too.  I suggest you read about Einstein's equivalency principle if you're having trouble understanding this.

Then I'm moving up too. The liquid is too. And so is the glass. Dynamic Equilibrium.

You're moving up.  The glass is moving up.  The liquid is moving up until the glass is tilted, at which point it is suspended in mid-air and the Earth rushes to meet it.  Again, I implore you to read about the equivalence principle because you seem to think that this principle (that acceleration and gravitation are locally indistinguishable) is something we came up with, and it's not.

So if there's no gravity, then how is there weight?

Roundy is right.
An object accelerating upwards will have the same effect as gravity pulling downwards.

Where it gets foggy is when you get past the Earth.
If it's always going upwards and everything is pushed upwards, why is the UA pushing the Earth(ground) and everything in space but not everything on the surface or the atmosphere.

Roundy is right.
An object accelerating upwards will have the same effect as gravity pulling downwards.

Where it gets foggy is when you get past the Earth.
If it's always going upwards and everything is pushed upwards, why is the UA pushing the Earth(ground) and everything in space but not everything on the surface or the atmosphere.

But when you pour something, it just feels like it would enter a glass differently in the "Earth rising" theory.

Quote from: Lorddave on May 05, 2010, 06:05:02 PM

Roundy is right.
An object accelerating upwards will have the same effect as gravity pulling downwards.

Where it gets foggy is when you get past the Earth.
If it's always going upwards and everything is pushed upwards, why is the UA pushing the Earth(ground) and everything in space but not everything on the surface or the atmosphere.

But when you pour something, it just feels like it would enter a glass differently in the "Earth rising" theory.

You'd think that but the reality is that it wouldn't.  You wouldn't notice a difference anyway.

Question:If you tied a rock to a string/rope,than lifted the rock (to a point where the string/rope curved) and it change postion and went down.Wouldn't this mean something is pulling it down?

Question:If you tied a rock to a string/rope,than lifted the rock (to a point where the string/rope curved) and it change postion and went down.Wouldn't this mean something is pulling it down?

If you lifted a rock with a string/rope attached to it and the rope curved, that means something is acting on the rope/string to curve it.  Probably wind.  As far as I know, a length of string will always point to the center of the Earth when there is no wind.

Question:If you tied a rock to a string/rope,than lifted the rock (to a point where the string/rope curved) and it change postion and went down.Wouldn't this mean something is pulling it down?

That's a good point.  What makes the rope sag if there is no gravity pulling it down?  It should just kind of bunch up, like it would if laid flat on a table.

Quote from: The Question1 on May 05, 2010, 06:10:34 PM

Question:If you tied a rock to a string/rope,than lifted the rock (to a point where the string/rope curved) and it change postion and went down.Wouldn't this mean something is pulling it down?

That's a good point.  What makes the rope sag if there is no gravity pulling it down?  It should just kind of bunch up, like it would if laid flat on a table.

If I understand the UA hypothesis correctly, the rope would sag for the same reason things would "fall."  Inertia.

Quote from: Lorddave on May 05, 2010, 06:05:02 PM

Roundy is right.
An object accelerating upwards will have the same effect as gravity pulling downwards.

Where it gets foggy is when you get past the Earth.
If it's always going upwards and everything is pushed upwards, why is the UA pushing the Earth(ground) and everything in space but not everything on the surface or the atmosphere.

But when you pour something, it just feels like it would enter a glass differently in the "Earth rising" theory.

The fact that Universal Acceleration "just feels wrong" to the globular countenance is stark testament to the efficacy of the Conspiracy's brainwashing technique.

Quote from: Rahimz on May 05, 2010, 06:06:48 PM

Quote from: Lorddave on May 05, 2010, 06:05:02 PM

Roundy is right.
An object accelerating upwards will have the same effect as gravity pulling downwards.

Where it gets foggy is when you get past the Earth.
If it's always going upwards and everything is pushed upwards, why is the UA pushing the Earth(ground) and everything in space but not everything on the surface or the atmosphere.

But when you pour something, it just feels like it would enter a glass differently in the "Earth rising" theory.

The fact that Universal Acceleration "just feels wrong" to the globular countenance is stark testament to the efficacy of the Conspiracy's brainwashing technique.

Or the lack of plausibility of UA theory.

Quote from: James on May 06, 2010, 11:49:54 AM

Quote from: Rahimz on May 05, 2010, 06:06:48 PM

Quote from: Lorddave on May 05, 2010, 06:05:02 PM

Roundy is right.
An object accelerating upwards will have the same effect as gravity pulling downwards.

Where it gets foggy is when you get past the Earth.
If it's always going upwards and everything is pushed upwards, why is the UA pushing the Earth(ground) and everything in space but not everything on the surface or the atmosphere.

But when you pour something, it just feels like it would enter a glass differently in the "Earth rising" theory.

The fact that Universal Acceleration "just feels wrong" to the globular countenance is stark testament to the efficacy of the Conspiracy's brainwashing technique.

Or the lack of plausibility of UA theory.

Whatever experiential features of Universal Acceleration would make it feel implausible would make gravitation feel equally implausible.

Quote from: markjo on May 06, 2010, 12:16:06 PM

Quote from: James on May 06, 2010, 11:49:54 AM

Quote from: Rahimz on May 05, 2010, 06:06:48 PM

Quote from: Lorddave on May 05, 2010, 06:05:02 PM

Roundy is right.
An object accelerating upwards will have the same effect as gravity pulling downwards.

Where it gets foggy is when you get past the Earth.
If it's always going upwards and everything is pushed upwards, why is the UA pushing the Earth(ground) and everything in space but not everything on the surface or the atmosphere.

But when you pour something, it just feels like it would enter a glass differently in the "Earth rising" theory.

The fact that Universal Acceleration "just feels wrong" to the globular countenance is stark testament to the efficacy of the Conspiracy's brainwashing technique.

Or the lack of plausibility of UA theory.

Whatever experiential features of Universal Acceleration would make it feel implausible would make gravitation feel equally implausible.

Except that gravity is governed by a specific set of laws and mathematical relationships, every one of which has to do with mass and has invaluable usefulness when accuracy is required of the application.

The UA has no such constraints.

According to GR, gravity and UA are governed by the same principle: there are no experiments that can differentiate gravity from acceleration in our frame of reference.

According to GR, gravity and UA are governed by the same principle: there are no experiments that can differentiate gravity from acceleration in our frame of reference.

Of course you can. The moon has markedly less mass than the earth. Therefore, it should have less positive acceleration. Thus it would be overtaken and crash into the earth.

The UA can't be both attractive and repulsive at the same time, can it?!