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Thermal Detonator

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Hey, James!
« on: February 01, 2010, 12:55:26 PM »


You can say it's a lie all you want, but this is a picture of the Moon, taken by me last night from my back garden, in infrared wavelengths, proving the Moon does indeed shine light beyond the visible spectrum.
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Re: Hey, James!
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2010, 02:46:55 PM »
No matter what we (RE's) have, those Flat earther's will just say that picture is fake and that you edited the picture in Photoshop. No matter what we give them. Then they go on writing absolute nonsense like the theory of the Ice wall without a bit of evidence. Just watch.
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Re: Hey, James!
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2010, 02:49:46 PM »
Well, anybody who uses the term "cold light" obviously doesn't know a thing about thermodynamics.  Photons carry kinetic energy, and cold is the absence of energy.  I'm pretty sure James and Tom are the only ones who have advocated this nonsense though.
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Re: Hey, James!
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2010, 02:55:15 PM »
Actually cold is the perception of an object that has really low thermal conductivity.
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Re: Hey, James!
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2010, 03:36:46 PM »
Well, not really.  If an object has low thermal conductivity, but is being held at a temperature of 500 degrees C, you're not going to feel "cold" if you touch it.  You're going to feel the thermal conduction from the object from your hand, even if it's small.  However, if an object is near room temperature, it's going to feel "cold" as your hand transfers heat energy to the object, cooling your hand, as your hand is above room temperature.  In conduction, heat always flows against the temperature gradient.  The higher the heat conductivity, the "hotter" a higher temperature object will feel, and the colder a lower temperature object will feel, as heat will flow faster against the temperature gradient.  
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Re: Hey, James!
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2010, 03:51:52 PM »
You're right. My bad.
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Re: Hey, James!
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2010, 05:11:26 PM »
Ya, the perception of coldness arises when heat is transferred away from the skin, or if the nerves get confused.
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Re: Hey, James!
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2010, 04:13:48 PM »
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cwolfe

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Re: Hey, James!
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2010, 05:54:31 PM »
What's your point?  One type of nerve detects thermal energy leaving the skin, while another detects thermal energy entering the skin.
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Re: Hey, James!
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2010, 07:18:15 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 02, 2010, 04:13:48 PM
Actually the body has separate receptors for cold and heat.

And it's quite the sensation when they both get stimulated at the same time.
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Lord Excalibur

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Re: Hey, James!
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2010, 08:11:17 PM »
This picture is clearly fake.
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Re: Hey, James!
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2010, 08:15:05 PM »
Quote from: Lord Excalibur on February 02, 2010, 08:11:17 PM
This picture is clearly fake.
And what do you base this claim on?
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Lord Excalibur

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Re: Hey, James!
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2010, 08:59:50 PM »
Quote from: 2fst4u on February 02, 2010, 08:15:05 PM
Quote from: Lord Excalibur on February 02, 2010, 08:11:17 PM
This picture is clearly fake.
And what do you base this claim on?

The Sun and moon are both spotlights in space opposite of one another, therefor this picture is false
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Re: Hey, James!
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2010, 09:07:42 PM »
Quote from: Lord Excalibur on February 02, 2010, 08:59:50 PM
Quote from: 2fst4u on February 02, 2010, 08:15:05 PM
Quote from: Lord Excalibur on February 02, 2010, 08:11:17 PM
This picture is clearly fake.
And what do you base this claim on?

The Sun and moon are both spotlights in space opposite of one another, therefor this picture is false
No. They aren't. I'm not going to start that argument but they clearly aren't.

Even if this statement were true, how does this prove beyond all doubt that the image is fake? What part of the sun and moon being spotlights opposite to each other leads you to believe this image is fabricated?
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Lord Excalibur

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Re: Hey, James!
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2010, 09:40:53 PM »
Quote from: 2fst4u on February 02, 2010, 09:07:42 PM
Quote from: Lord Excalibur on February 02, 2010, 08:59:50 PM
Quote from: 2fst4u on February 02, 2010, 08:15:05 PM
Quote from: Lord Excalibur on February 02, 2010, 08:11:17 PM
This picture is clearly fake.
And what do you base this claim on?

The Sun and moon are both spotlights in space opposite of one another, therefor this picture is false
No. They aren't. I'm not going to start that argument but they clearly aren't.

Even if this statement were true, how does this prove beyond all doubt that the image is fake? What part of the sun and moon being spotlights opposite to each other leads you to believe this image is fabricated?

why are you so blinded by the truth?
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Re: Hey, James!
« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2010, 09:45:17 PM »
Quote from: cwolfe on February 02, 2010, 05:54:31 PM
What's your point?  One type of nerve detects thermal energy leaving the skin, while another detects thermal energy entering the skin.

Both types of receptors are measuring external conditions.
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Re: Hey, James!
« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2010, 10:22:44 PM »
Quote from: Lord Excalibur on February 02, 2010, 09:40:53 PM
Quote from: 2fst4u on February 02, 2010, 09:07:42 PM
Quote from: Lord Excalibur on February 02, 2010, 08:59:50 PM
Quote from: 2fst4u on February 02, 2010, 08:15:05 PM
Quote from: Lord Excalibur on February 02, 2010, 08:11:17 PM
This picture is clearly fake.
And what do you base this claim on?

The Sun and moon are both spotlights in space opposite of one another, therefor this picture is false
No. They aren't. I'm not going to start that argument but they clearly aren't.

Even if this statement were true, how does this prove beyond all doubt that the image is fake? What part of the sun and moon being spotlights opposite to each other leads you to believe this image is fabricated?

why are you so blinded by the truth?
Why do you have such an innate inability to answer the question at hand?

HOW does you statement prove the image is fake?
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cwolfe

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Re: Hey, James!
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2010, 04:02:17 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 02, 2010, 09:45:17 PM
Quote from: cwolfe on February 02, 2010, 05:54:31 PM
What's your point?  One type of nerve detects thermal energy leaving the skin, while another detects thermal energy entering the skin.

Both types of receptors are measuring external conditions.

Okay, again, what's your point?
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Re: Hey, James!
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2010, 04:25:46 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 02, 2010, 04:13:48 PM
Actually the body has separate receptors for cold and heat.

http://users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ultranet/BiologyPages/P/Pain.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoreceptor

Which is perceived when heat gets transfered to or away from the skin or when the nerves get confused.  What's your point?

Though back on topic, I wish I could see the picture, freakin content filter.
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Re: Hey, James!
« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2010, 10:01:37 AM »
Quote from: Its a Sphere on February 03, 2010, 04:25:46 AM

Though back on topic, I wish I could see the picture, freakin content filter.

I can email it to you if you want.
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Re: Hey, James!
« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2010, 10:03:20 AM »
Quote from: Lord Excalibur on February 02, 2010, 08:59:50 PM
Quote from: 2fst4u on February 02, 2010, 08:15:05 PM
Quote from: Lord Excalibur on February 02, 2010, 08:11:17 PM
This picture is clearly fake.
And what do you base this claim on?

The Sun and moon are both spotlights in space opposite of one another, therefor this picture is false

Umm, no, I took the picture myself, if you have a camera that can take infrared pictures you can do the same. I assure you it is not fake, no matter how much you say it is. I'd be interested to know how I am supposed to have produced theis picture if it isn't real. Am I part of Teh Conspiracys?
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Re: Hey, James!
« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2010, 10:20:07 AM »
Quote from: Thermal Detonator on February 03, 2010, 10:03:20 AM
Quote from: Lord Excalibur on February 02, 2010, 08:59:50 PM
Quote from: 2fst4u on February 02, 2010, 08:15:05 PM
Quote from: Lord Excalibur on February 02, 2010, 08:11:17 PM
This picture is clearly fake.
And what do you base this claim on?

The Sun and moon are both spotlights in space opposite of one another, therefor this picture is false

Umm, no, I took the picture myself, if you have a camera that can take infrared pictures you can do the same. I assure you it is not fake, no matter how much you say it is. I'd be interested to know how I am supposed to have produced theis picture if it isn't real. Am I part of Teh Conspiracys?

Well, maybe you've proven something to yourself at any rate.  If your personal doubts about the shape of the earth have been erased, that's well and good.  You've done well adopting the true zetetic path. Now that you've emerged as a zetetic follower, you should understand that others should not rely on your purported evidence.
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Re: Hey, James!
« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2010, 10:22:15 AM »
Quote from: Thermal Detonator on February 03, 2010, 10:01:37 AM
Quote from: Its a Sphere on February 03, 2010, 04:25:46 AM

Though back on topic, I wish I could see the picture, freakin content filter.

I can email it to you if you want.
Eh, they don't like external attachments.  I'll look when I get home.
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Re: Hey, James!
« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2010, 10:55:42 AM »
Quote from: Mrs. Peach on February 03, 2010, 10:20:07 AM

Well, maybe you've proven something to yourself at any rate.  If your personal doubts about the shape of the earth have been erased, that's well and good.  You've done well adopting the true zetetic path. Now that you've emerged as a zetetic follower, you should understand that others should not rely on your purported evidence.

This is why I would encourage James to look at the moon in longer wavelengths to disprove his assertion that the moon emits "cold" light. I've told him to try it himself a few times. He refuses to follow the zetetic path with this but instead relies on the dogma of others.
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Re: Hey, James!
« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2010, 11:45:14 AM »
I've always thought his observances were quite in the zetetic line.  His observances of flowering plants, for instance, were intriguing but this is going off topic so I won't clutter up the thread any further.
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Re: Hey, James!
« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2010, 12:43:56 PM »
Quote from: Thermal Detonator on February 03, 2010, 10:55:42 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Peach on February 03, 2010, 10:20:07 AM

Well, maybe you've proven something to yourself at any rate.  If your personal doubts about the shape of the earth have been erased, that's well and good.  You've done well adopting the true zetetic path. Now that you've emerged as a zetetic follower, you should understand that others should not rely on your purported evidence.

This is why I would encourage James to look at the moon in longer wavelengths to disprove his assertion that the moon emits "cold" light. I've told him to try it himself a few times. He refuses to follow the zetetic path with this but instead relies on the dogma of others.


He's observed the Moon, and come to very different conclusions. Of course, I'm not going to take anyone's word on it, but if I did... I'd take his.
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Re: Hey, James!
« Reply #26 on: February 03, 2010, 02:17:21 PM »
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on February 03, 2010, 12:43:56 PM
Quote from: Thermal Detonator on February 03, 2010, 10:55:42 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Peach on February 03, 2010, 10:20:07 AM

Well, maybe you've proven something to yourself at any rate.  If your personal doubts about the shape of the earth have been erased, that's well and good.  You've done well adopting the true zetetic path. Now that you've emerged as a zetetic follower, you should understand that others should not rely on your purported evidence.

This is why I would encourage James to look at the moon in longer wavelengths to disprove his assertion that the moon emits "cold" light. I've told him to try it himself a few times. He refuses to follow the zetetic path with this but instead relies on the dogma of others.


He's observed the Moon, and come to very different conclusions. Of course, I'm not going to take anyone's word on it, but if I did... I'd take his.

He has never attempted to image the moon in any wavelength longer than visible light. I have. I suggest he does the same. Until he does, my theories of the observability of non-visible wavelengths from the moon are superior to his.
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Re: Hey, James!
« Reply #27 on: February 03, 2010, 05:21:21 PM »
Cold light is IMPOSSIBLE. All matter gives off infrared radiation. Black Body radiation?


There, debunked. The picture is just the icing on the cake.
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Re: Hey, James!
« Reply #28 on: February 03, 2010, 05:32:18 PM »
Quote from: ugaboga313 on February 03, 2010, 05:21:21 PM
The picture is just the icing on the cake.

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Re: Hey, James!
« Reply #29 on: February 04, 2010, 01:18:51 PM »
Quote from: Thermal Detonator on February 03, 2010, 05:32:18 PM
Quote from: ugaboga313 on February 03, 2010, 05:21:21 PM
The picture is just the icing on the cake.


Even as a RE believer, I'm not sure I can accept this as evidence. Clearly only one side of the moon can be seen as is the case in reality, but as I recall, an astronauts visor is almost always of a gold, reflective nature. Not a grey matte.

He also seems slightly out of proportion to the moon. We might need to find another image
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