Bendy light?

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Re: Bendy light?
« Reply #60 on: January 17, 2010, 09:46:01 AM »
My experiment from before should prove or disprove it. Long solid cylinder, small hole just bigger than lasers diameter, laser, someway to measure light. Measure light at beginning, then measure light at end. If they are not the same, then that might be BLT in effect.

If however then you get the same results with the tube in a vertical orientation, then you know it is not BLT.

See how much better it is when we accept each others arguments?

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« Reply #61 on: January 17, 2010, 09:50:36 AM »
My experiment from before should prove or disprove it. Long solid cylinder, small hole just bigger than lasers diameter, laser, someway to measure light. Measure light at beginning, then measure light at end. If they are not the same, then that might be BLT in effect.

If however then you get the same results with the tube in a vertical orientation, then you know it is not BLT.

See how much better it is when we accept each others arguments?

I'd still like to know how you're going to measure the intensity of the light at the beginning of the tube after it has already passed into the hole. Apart from that, your idea seems valid - at least, to within the uncertainty of the equipment used.
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« Reply #62 on: January 17, 2010, 09:51:21 AM »
There probably is some way to measure it. But at least we know of a doable test.

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« Reply #63 on: January 17, 2010, 09:54:51 AM »
My experiment from before should prove or disprove it. Long solid cylinder, small hole just bigger than lasers diameter, laser, someway to measure light. Measure light at beginning, then measure light at end. If they are not the same, then that might be BLT in effect.

If however then you get the same results with the tube in a vertical orientation, then you know it is not BLT.

See how much better it is when we accept each others arguments?
Don't forget to take a 113 m long hollow straight cylinder and position it perfectly leveled horizontally so that there is a declination of 1 mm.

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ugaboga313

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« Reply #64 on: January 17, 2010, 10:20:11 AM »
Who said 113 Meters? With reasonably accurate instruments, you can do it at far shorter distances.

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Re: Bendy light?
« Reply #65 on: January 17, 2010, 10:21:49 AM »
Not really.

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ugaboga313

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« Reply #66 on: January 17, 2010, 10:41:55 AM »
Yes really.

Even if only 5% of the light is bent, you can easily record that and test against the vertical.


Want to contribute more to the topic?

Too bad I can't find that post you made yesterday. The one were you breakdown and start cursing me out.

Want to tell me why we need 113 meters?

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« Reply #67 on: January 17, 2010, 11:06:08 AM »
percent are not a valid measure of the curvature of the light beam. Seeing that you don't even know the units of the quantity you are trying to measure, I highly doubt you are competent for performing such an experiment.

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« Reply #68 on: January 17, 2010, 11:18:26 AM »
You my friend, have obviously failed science.


If 5% less of the light made it to the other end, you could easily find out the acceleration of light upward. I guess you have no intuition either?

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« Reply #69 on: January 17, 2010, 11:18:56 AM »
You my friend, have obviously failed science.


If 5% less of the light made it to the other end, you could easily find out the acceleration of light upward. I guess you have no intuition either?
How?

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« Reply #70 on: January 17, 2010, 11:21:17 AM »
If 5% of the light didn't make it to the end, and we know the diameter of the light beam, we can find out how much it must have gone upwards. Since we know the upward distance, we can find out the acceleration as we know how long it took the light to get to the other side. Knowing the acceleration, well know you know the bending/acceleration of light.

This is high school physics.

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« Reply #71 on: January 17, 2010, 11:23:10 AM »
If 5% of the light didn't make it to the end, and we know the diameter of the light beam, we can find out how much it must have gone upwards. Since we know the upward distance, we can find out the acceleration as we know how long it took the light to get to the other side. Knowing the acceleration, well know you know the bending/acceleration of light.

This is high school physics.

This is high school physics if you assume the light beam is made up of a series of classical projectiles. It isn't.
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« Reply #72 on: January 17, 2010, 11:23:37 AM »
lol, what acceleration are you talking about? Also, you didn't provide the equation you will use, so I guess it is not so easy.

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« Reply #73 on: January 17, 2010, 11:51:27 AM »
Lets say it went up 1 mm. It took lets say 1 microsecond. So it accelerates 2 mm/microsecond^2. There is your acceleration.


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« Reply #74 on: January 17, 2010, 11:55:24 AM »
Lets say it went up 1 mm. It took lets say 1 microsecond. So it accelerates 2 mm/microsecond^2. There is your acceleration.

This would mean that the hollow cylinder is 300 meters long and your acceleration, in a more standard form is 2x109 m/s2!

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« Reply #75 on: January 17, 2010, 01:02:39 PM »
Facepalm.


That were numbers I made up. I didn't have time to give you realistic numbers. However the experiment would give these realistic numbers that you desire.



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« Reply #76 on: January 17, 2010, 01:19:25 PM »
how will you ensure the laser light is fired parallel to the axis of the cylinder? And you still haven't posted an equation relating declination of the light beam to the reduction in intensity.

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« Reply #77 on: January 17, 2010, 01:57:00 PM »
I was giving a rough overview of the experiment. I am sorry you are addicted to formulae but I have not put much time into this experiment as i was merely showing how it could be done.



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« Reply #78 on: January 17, 2010, 02:08:54 PM »
But to my knowledge, no experiment has yet been done which attempted to, which is why it is not worth discarding yet.

Y'see your problem Steve is that the rest of the world has already figured out the earth is round. Therefore there was never any need to experiment with the curvature of light across the horizon.

But before you baww about circular logic there are also countless equations and scientific phenomena which prevent light bending as you require. Jack cited Einstein. There's many others.

However, you're a physics student at a reasonably affluent university. You're in a unique position to perform such experiments. I suggest you make it your final year project.

Post back when you're done. Not before.

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« Reply #79 on: January 17, 2010, 04:19:40 PM »
I was giving a rough overview of the experiment. I am sorry you are addicted to formulae but I have not put much time into this experiment as i was merely showing how it could be done.




He is addicted to formulae. When he's not quoting equations, all he can do is grunt like a caveman.
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« Reply #80 on: January 17, 2010, 05:35:02 PM »
I was giving a rough overview of the experiment. I am sorry you are addicted to formulae but I have not put much time into this experiment as i was merely showing how it could be done.




He is addicted to formulae. When he's not quoting equations, all he can do is grunt like a caveman.
lolwut? You obviously have no idea how experiments are performed. Have a nice day watching sci-fi on Discovery.

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« Reply #81 on: January 17, 2010, 06:16:17 PM »

He is addicted to formulae. When he's not quoting equations, all he can do is grunt like a caveman.
lolwut?

Q.E.D.
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« Reply #82 on: January 21, 2010, 08:53:34 AM »
Y'see your problem Steve is that the rest of the world has already figured out the earth is round. Therefore there was never any need to experiment with the curvature of light across the horizon.

This is true, but also irrelevant.

But before you baww about circular logic there are also countless equations and scientific phenomena which prevent light bending as you require. Jack cited Einstein. There's many others.

Einstein was a person, not an equation or a scientific phenomenon. Name one such thing that prevents light from bending in this way.

However, you're a physics student at a reasonably affluent university. You're in a unique position to perform such experiments. I suggest you make it your final year project.

Thank you for your suggestion.
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Re: Bendy light?
« Reply #83 on: January 21, 2010, 11:31:13 AM »

Einstein was a person, not an equation or a scientific phenomenon. Name one such thing that prevents light from bending in this way.


The Laws Of Physics.
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« Reply #84 on: January 21, 2010, 11:40:38 AM »

Einstein was a person, not an equation or a scientific phenomenon. Name one such thing that prevents light from bending in this way.


The Laws Of Physics.

Could you be more specific?  I just cannot understand how the third law of thermodynamics prevents light from bending.
I don't know what you're implying, but you're probably wrong.

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« Reply #85 on: January 21, 2010, 11:46:33 AM »
Could you be more specific?

I was typing out that exact sentence when I saw you had posted.
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« Reply #86 on: January 21, 2010, 11:47:54 AM »
Could you be more specific?

I was typing out that exact sentence when I saw you had posted.

Why should I be more specific to people who are mentally capable of understanding what I mean but must have their brains switched off?
Spin on it.
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Re: Bendy light?
« Reply #87 on: January 21, 2010, 01:00:32 PM »
Why should I be more specific to people who are mentally capable of understanding what I mean but must have their brains switched off?

Because that's how we play the game here.
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« Reply #88 on: January 21, 2010, 03:18:24 PM »
Why should I be more specific to people who are mentally capable of understanding what I mean but must have their brains switched off?

Because that's how we play the game here.

If that's the game then I'm going off the court and taking the ball with me.
Gayer doesn't live in an atmosphere of vaporised mustard like you appear to, based on your latest photo.

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« Reply #89 on: January 21, 2010, 04:40:50 PM »
Name one such thing that prevents light from bending in this way.

You seem to be suffering from amnesia. Let me quote Jack:

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The debate is over long time ago. Due to a consensus among the FEW members, the bendy light theory (its violation to GR's equivalence principle on gravitation=acceleration; an elevator accelerating upward should cause a horizontal light beam bend down, not up, relative to the observer) is no longer the plausible explanation behind optical phenomenons such as sinking ship effect or sunsets/sunrises. We decided to keep our old traditional perspective explanations instead.


http://www.astronomynotes.com/relativity/s3.htm

Please stop spreading this theory around to mislead new members.

Seriously. Post some funny stuff. Like fishes nudging boats or sky mirrors. I like it when you post stuff like that.