Idea: Start a University

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*sigh*  So non-government agencies don't cooperate with the government to set standards?

Accreditors are not "government agencies". They are private groups of educators who operate on their own. The government's role extends only to recognize certain accreditors over others for financial aid and public funds.

In America education is free and unregulated. Any group of educators is free to start their own accrediting group if they feel that a need is not being met.

Credibility is a matter of opinion. For example, there are plenty of barber colleges which have a decent hair cutting curriculum. They are accredited by a private non-reconized group set up to accredit such things. Are their degrees "worthless"? No. They are not. A graduate from a barber college is more often than not an expert barber.

A degree represents a course of study and nothing more. It does not matter if that course of study involved cutting hair or taking basket weaving and hiking classes at your local Regionally Accredited college.

I don't see the point in teaching students an incorrect theory. It would be exactly like teaching students the wrong way to do trigonometry, or an incorrect explanation to the way our body fuctions.

It will only hold them back later in life.

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*sigh*  So non-government agencies don't cooperate with the government to set standards?

Accreditors are not "government agencies". They are private groups of educators who operate on their own. The government's role extends only to recognize certain accreditors over others for financial aid and public funds.

In America education is free and unregulated. Any group of educators is free to start their own accrediting group if they feel that a need is not being met.

Credibility is a matter of opinion. For example, there are plenty of barber colleges which have a decent hair cutting curriculum. They are accredited by a private non-reconized group set up to accredit such things. Are their degrees "worthless"? No. They are not. A graduate from a barber college is more often than not an expert barber.

A degree represents a course of study and nothing more. It does not matter if that course of study involved cutting hair or taking basket weaving and hiking classes at your local publicly funded college.

Quote from: Robert64 on December 07, 2009, 03:31:45 PM

I don't see the point in teaching students an incorrect theory. It would be exactly like teaching students the wrong way to do trigonometry, or an incorrect explanation to the way our body fuctions.

It will only hold them back later in life.

Good thing that it's the right theory then, isn't it?

I think that you have it backwards Tom.  The accreditation agency is to make sure that the needs of the students and public are being met by the school, not the other way around.

Barber colleges are trade schools and have different requirements and expectations of their graduates than do other colleges and universities along with different accreditation providers.  Are you planning on opening a trade school or an institution of higher learning?  Make up your mind.  

Quote from: Johannes on December 07, 2009, 02:44:16 PM

No they don't. The government doesn't set any standards.

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*sigh*  So non-government agencies don't cooperate with the government to set standards?

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...this university I'm proposing also has different requirements and expectations of its graduates than most universities.

1. Requirement: Be an idiot.
2. Expectation: Continue to be an idiot.

Quote from: Don B on December 07, 2009, 03:54:22 PM

1. Requirement: Be an idiot.
2. Expectation: Continue to be an idiot.

Please note that low content posting and personal attacks are both against the rules.

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Quote from: Don B on December 07, 2009, 03:54:22 PM

1. Requirement: Be an idiot.
2. Expectation: Continue to be an idiot.

Please note that low content posting and personal attacks are both against the rules.

People get away with a single word answer of "Money". Do you apply the rules equally, or only to RET folk who call on idiots to answer questions that over and over again they fail to answer, or invent fantastical crap to fill in the blanks of their imaginary worlds?

And personal attacks? It wasn't a personal attack, it was an observation on exhibited behavior. Some observe the world accelerating towards them when they fall off a chair. I observe idiots making excuses for themselves.

FET - Consistency when convenient. Inconsistent when needed.

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*sigh*  So non-government agencies don't cooperate with the government to set standards?

Accreditors are not "government agencies". They don't participate with the government to set stantards. They are private groups of educators who operate on their own. The government's role extends only to recognize certain accreditors over others for financial aid and public funds.

In America education is free and unregulated. Any group of educators are free to start their own accrediting group if they feel that a need is not being met.

Credibility is a matter of opinion. For example, there are plenty of barber colleges which have a decent hair cutting curriculum. They are accredited by a private non-reconized group set up to accredit such things. Are their degrees "worthless"? No. They are not. A graduate from a barber college is more often than not an expert barber.

A degree represents a course of study and nothing more. It does not matter if that course of study involved cutting hair or taking basket weaving and hiking classes at your local publicly funded college.

Quote from: Its a Sphere on December 08, 2009, 06:01:24 AM

However, your barber college degree, though from and accredited university isn't going to get you a job as an engineer, even though you have a degree from an accredited university.  "Accredited" and "University" are both relative terms.

Tom knows this, but hopes his marks don't.

Quote from: d00gz on December 02, 2009, 04:37:51 AM

There are so many things wrong with that, i'm not even sure if i should start pointing them out.

If you can't be bothered to contribute in some way to the thread, please leave.

There's a little "x" button located in the upper right hand corner of your screen.

Press it. Don't come back.

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Quote from: Its a Sphere on December 08, 2009, 06:01:24 AM

However, your barber college degree, though from and accredited university isn't going to get you a job as an engineer, even though you have a degree from an accredited university.  "Accredited" and "University" are both relative terms.

Tom knows this, but hopes his marks don't.

People don't care about where u got a degree! they want 2 know if you hav one! u know how many peeps around me got a job without employers caring if they got a degree!?! ALOT!!!

However, your barber college degree, though from and accredited university isn't going to get you a job as an engineer, even though you have a degree from an accredited university.

Quote from: Its a Sphere on December 08, 2009, 06:01:24 AM

However, your barber college degree, though from and accredited university isn't going to get you a job as an engineer, even though you have a degree from an accredited university.

Why would you try to get an engineering job with a hair cutting degree?

Why would you suggest that people would be able to get any other type of real job with your "hair cutting" degree?

Quote from: Its a Sphere on December 09, 2009, 05:01:06 AM

Why would you suggest that people would be able to get any other type of real job with your "hair cutting" degree?

The degree only gets you the interview. It's up to you from there.

Why would you suggest that people would be able to get any other type of real job interview with your "hair cutting" degree?

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Quote from: Its a Sphere on December 09, 2009, 05:01:06 AM

Why would you suggest that people would be able to get any other type of real job with your "hair cutting" degree?

The degree only gets you the interview. It's up to you from there.

Quote from: Its a Sphere on December 09, 2009, 05:01:06 AM

Why would you suggest that people would be able to get any other type of real job interview with your "hair cutting" degree?

Holy hell this is funny. Tom, I wish you good luck in getting someone to accredit a college based off of the ideas that the world is flat. If this was a religion it might be different, but this is not a religion: This is stupid. And even if you do get accredited by a "private agency", chances are that you will also be behind that "agency". Now, where would I rather get a degree in philosophy? A small uncredited "college" based off the idea that the world is flat, or an accredited state school that while it will cost me more, it will actually give me a future.

Tom is not talking about starting a real college.  He's talking about starting his own diploma mill accredited by his own accreditation mill.  I wish him luck.  He's going to need it.

A qualification which can be attained in mere hours should not hold the status of a degree. Its an insult to people like me who studied hard for three years to get one.

Quote from: Skeleton on December 09, 2009, 10:52:36 AM

A qualification which can be attained in mere hours should not hold the status of a degree. Its an insult to people like me who studied hard for three years to get one.

Charter Oak, Excelsior, and Thomas Edison hand out degrees in under three hours. Their degrees are as worth as much as Harvard's, being Regionally Accredited.

http://forums.degreeinfo.com/archive/index.php/t-1213.html

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Tom is not talking about starting a real college.  He's talking about starting his own diploma mill accredited by his own accreditation mill.  I wish him luck.  He's going to need it.

It's not a diploma mill. I've already shown examples of degree programs at Regionally Accredited colleges where degrees can be completed in weeks, or even hours.

http://www.bain4weeks.com/

You're only calling it a diploma mill because you don't agree with the subject matter.

A diploma mill (also known as a degree mill) is an organization that awards academic degrees and diplomas with substandard or no academic study and without recognition by official educational accrediting bodies. The purchaser can then claim to hold an academic degree, and the organization is motivated by making a profit. These degrees are often awarded based on vaguely construed life experience. Some such organizations claim accreditation by non-recognized/unapproved accrediting bodies set up for the purposes of providing a veneer of authenticity.

Harvard Engineer and Charter Oak "Engineer" are sitting across from me in and interview, all other things being equal (as best as one could try to imagine), guess which one I hire.

I'm calling it a diploma mill because that's what you're describing.

Barber schools set up Barber School accreditors.

Christian Schools set up Christian School accreditors.

Just the same, Zetetic schools can set up Zetetic Accreditors.

Zetetics unaffiliated with the school can review the curriculum before accreditation is granted.

Quote from: Skeleton on December 09, 2009, 10:52:36 AM

A qualification which can be attained in mere hours should not hold the status of a degree. Its an insult to people like me who studied hard for three years to get one.

Charter Oak, Excelsior, and Thomas Edison hand out degrees in under three hours. Their degrees are as worth as much as Harvard's, being Regionally Accredited.

http://forums.degreeinfo.com/archive/index.php/t-1213.html

You honestly think someone is going to take someone who got their degree in a few hours over someone who spend years at a tough private school to get theirs?