James's theory on dinosaurs

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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1200 on: March 10, 2011, 12:44:23 PM »
"collective consciousness"
Not a new idea in the least bit.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1201 on: March 10, 2011, 01:28:19 PM »
"collective consciousness"
Not a new idea in the least bit.

It's not a new idea, but it's not the most reasonable explanation, and you are only using it to explain a phenomena you've decided needs an explanation.

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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1202 on: March 10, 2011, 01:30:35 PM »
No I haven't. Where did I ever say it fulfills something I believe needs explaining?
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1203 on: March 10, 2011, 01:46:14 PM »
No I haven't. Where did I ever say it fulfills something I believe needs explaining?

Where did I ever say that you said that?

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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1204 on: March 10, 2011, 01:47:58 PM »
you are only using it to explain a phenomena you've decided needs an explanation.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1205 on: March 10, 2011, 01:48:33 PM »
you are only using it to explain a phenomena you've decided needs an explanation.

I said decided not "said" or "claimed"

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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1206 on: March 10, 2011, 01:49:42 PM »
*Sigh. Your trolling has been really pathetic lately Raist.
It still is not the case.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1207 on: March 10, 2011, 01:58:01 PM »
*Sigh. Your trolling has been really pathetic lately Raist.
It still is not the case.

 ::) because you never do the exact same thing.

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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1208 on: March 10, 2011, 01:59:57 PM »
I do not make straw man arguments. Raist does.
I find it hard to understand why you would consider believing in collective cousciousness to be 'trolling' EG.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1209 on: March 10, 2011, 02:16:06 PM »
I find it hard to understand why you would consider believing in collective cousciousness to be 'trolling' EG.

When have I ever stated so?

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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1210 on: March 10, 2011, 02:20:11 PM »
Didn't mammals migrate to madagascar by clinging to logs?
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1211 on: March 10, 2011, 02:21:21 PM »
It need not be a matter of safety, just feasibility.  That ninety-nine cruises ended in disaster would not matter if one was successful.

We aren't talking about just one dinosaur fossil being found either.

We are talking about thousands, even millions.
Dinosaurs, I assume, reproduce.

So they happen, by chance, to be washed away waywardly on the ocean in pairs?
Its no coincidence that a nest full of eggs is likely to contain males and females.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1212 on: March 10, 2011, 03:39:04 PM »
This grouping I observed today and here they are focusing their attention on me.  Before this picture they were congregating around and constructing the object below.





They fled this object to the position pictured above before I could know exactly what they were up to, but this is their creation via their own hands and consists of pieces of plywood and what appears to be bone of some sort?





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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1213 on: March 10, 2011, 04:21:20 PM »
Didn't mammals migrate to madagascar by clinging to logs?


I'm not so much concerned with finding evidence for this theory, as I think that most research into pre-historic dinosaurs is imperfect and largely speculative. I think that we have clearly established that it's a strong possibility that dinosaurs could build boats, and I've yet to see a see a significant counter argument.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1214 on: March 10, 2011, 04:59:59 PM »
I think that we have clearly established that it's a strong possibility that dinosaurs could build boats, and I've yet to see a see a significant counter argument.

How has anybody established that? I think a real argument needs to be constructed before a counter-argument can possibly be made. Perhaps I've simply missed it, this is quite a long thread.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1215 on: March 10, 2011, 06:17:31 PM »
Didn't mammals migrate to madagascar by clinging to logs?


I'm not so much concerned with finding evidence for this theory, as I think that most research into pre-historic dinosaurs is imperfect and largely speculative. I think that we have clearly established that it's a strong possibility that dinosaurs could build boats, and I've yet to see a see a significant counter argument.

I do not see how this has been established. All that has been proven is that small lightweight birds can make nests that can float on water.

It has not been proven that several ton dinosaurs would, or even could do such a thing. A "nest" large enough to carry such a ridiculously large dinosaur would have to be gigantic. Also, the dinosaurs would of had to bring food with them for the voyage, which shows premeditation, which would mean that would have to be intelligent.

All discovered nests have been minuscule, they weren't large enough for the entire T-Rex to sit in. There was only enough room for the eggs.

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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1216 on: March 10, 2011, 07:30:00 PM »
I think it's been established that it's a possibility.  But a strong possibility?  I think that's a little, well, strong.

Nobody has reasonably established that it's an implausible scenario. 

There's just no actual evidence that this is the case, and the current explanation for the propagation of the dinosaurs is actually quite reasonable, I think, whether seen from FE or RE perspective.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1217 on: March 10, 2011, 07:41:47 PM »
There's just no actual evidence that this is the case, and the current explanation for the propagation of the dinosaurs is actually quite reasonable, I think, whether seen from FE or RE perspective.

This. Though I confess the dogmatic assertions that dinosaurs were dim-witted strikes me as poor doctrine considering how very little we know about the creatures. I find little reason, however, to assume dinosaur civilization.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1218 on: March 10, 2011, 09:05:04 PM »
There's just no actual evidence that this is the case, and the current explanation for the propagation of the dinosaurs is actually quite reasonable, I think, whether seen from FE or RE perspective.

If you are referring to the current explanation for the propagation of the dinosaurs known as continental drift, then I agree.  It is quite reasonable from a FE or an RE perspective.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1219 on: March 10, 2011, 09:23:29 PM »
There's just no actual evidence that this is the case, and the current explanation for the propagation of the dinosaurs is actually quite reasonable, I think, whether seen from FE or RE perspective.

This. Though I confess the dogmatic assertions that dinosaurs were dim-witted strikes me as poor doctrine considering how very little we know about the creatures. I find little reason, however, to assume dinosaur civilization.

They aren't exactly dogmatic. Today we understand how brains generally work. If certain parts of a dinosaur brains are undeveloped or very small (which can be known by the shapes of their skulls), we can get a good estimate of their cognitive functions.

Now of course, we don't know for sure that dinosaur brains worked anything like ones that are around today, but considering today has the modernized evolved forms of them, we can assume that they function similar.

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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1220 on: March 10, 2011, 10:55:32 PM »
There's just no actual evidence that this is the case, and the current explanation for the propagation of the dinosaurs is actually quite reasonable, I think, whether seen from FE or RE perspective.

This. Though I confess the dogmatic assertions that dinosaurs were dim-witted strikes me as poor doctrine considering how very little we know about the creatures. I find little reason, however, to assume dinosaur civilization.

They aren't exactly dogmatic. Today we understand how brains generally work. If certain parts of a dinosaur brains are undeveloped or very small (which can be known by the shapes of their skulls), we can get a good estimate of their cognitive functions.

So elephants and whales should be several times more intelligent than humans then?
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1221 on: March 11, 2011, 12:07:32 AM »
There's just no actual evidence that this is the case, and the current explanation for the propagation of the dinosaurs is actually quite reasonable, I think, whether seen from FE or RE perspective.

This. Though I confess the dogmatic assertions that dinosaurs were dim-witted strikes me as poor doctrine considering how very little we know about the creatures. I find little reason, however, to assume dinosaur civilization.

They aren't exactly dogmatic. Today we understand how brains generally work. If certain parts of a dinosaur brains are undeveloped or very small (which can be known by the shapes of their skulls), we can get a good estimate of their cognitive functions.

So elephants and whales should be several times more intelligent than humans then?

I never said weight. I said shape. Many in the sculls of dinosaurs, the parts that contain the frontal lobes are extremely small, while parts that take care of more primal functions are larger.

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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1222 on: March 11, 2011, 02:55:18 AM »
There's just no actual evidence that this is the case, and the current explanation for the propagation of the dinosaurs is actually quite reasonable, I think, whether seen from FE or RE perspective.

This. Though I confess the dogmatic assertions that dinosaurs were dim-witted strikes me as poor doctrine considering how very little we know about the creatures. I find little reason, however, to assume dinosaur civilization.

They aren't exactly dogmatic. Today we understand how brains generally work. If certain parts of a dinosaur brains are undeveloped or very small (which can be known by the shapes of their skulls), we can get a good estimate of their cognitive functions.

So elephants and whales should be several times more intelligent than humans then?

Rule of thumb is brain mass/body mass I once heard.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1223 on: March 11, 2011, 09:30:49 AM »
James theory is that dinosaurs migrated due to intelligence.  If they aren't intelligent, it is still possible they migrated.

Protip: You don't need intelligence to migrate.



In conclusion: Things migrate.

I congratulate our bravve brother James in unveiling this revelation which has thus far evaded teh wit of all men including Einstien

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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1224 on: March 11, 2011, 09:51:07 AM »
There's just no actual evidence that this is the case, and the current explanation for the propagation of the dinosaurs is actually quite reasonable, I think, whether seen from FE or RE perspective.

This. Though I confess the dogmatic assertions that dinosaurs were dim-witted strikes me as poor doctrine considering how very little we know about the creatures. I find little reason, however, to assume dinosaur civilization.

They aren't exactly dogmatic. Today we understand how brains generally work. If certain parts of a dinosaur brains are undeveloped or very small (which can be known by the shapes of their skulls), we can get a good estimate of their cognitive functions.

Now of course, we don't know for sure that dinosaur brains worked anything like ones that are around today, but considering today has the modernized evolved forms of them, we can assume that they function similar.

I don't know that we undrestand how brains generally work.  I also don't know the accuracy of phrenology even in other species, let alone one so alien to us as dinosaurs.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1225 on: March 11, 2011, 09:54:05 AM »
I don't know that we understand how brains generally work. 

So you deny neurology and neuroscience exist?

I also don't know the accuracy of phrenology even in other species, let alone one so alien to us as dinosaurs.

Just because you personally do not know it does not mean humanity as a whole does not. That is like the Krebs Cycle may or may not exist because you do not understand how it works.

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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1226 on: March 11, 2011, 11:24:35 AM »
There's just no actual evidence that this is the case, and the current explanation for the propagation of the dinosaurs is actually quite reasonable, I think, whether seen from FE or RE perspective.

This. Though I confess the dogmatic assertions that dinosaurs were dim-witted strikes me as poor doctrine considering how very little we know about the creatures. I find little reason, however, to assume dinosaur civilization.

They aren't exactly dogmatic. Today we understand how brains generally work. If certain parts of a dinosaur brains are undeveloped or very small (which can be known by the shapes of their skulls), we can get a good estimate of their cognitive functions.

Now of course, we don't know for sure that dinosaur brains worked anything like ones that are around today, but considering today has the modernized evolved forms of them, we can assume that they function similar.

I don't know that we undrestand how brains generally work.  I also don't know the accuracy of phrenology even in other species, let alone one so alien to us as dinosaurs.

Phrenology is the measurement of the outside of the skull, not the inside.

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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1227 on: March 11, 2011, 09:06:53 PM »
I don't know that we understand how brains generally work.  

So you deny neurology and neuroscience exist?

I also don't know the accuracy of phrenology even in other species, let alone one so alien to us as dinosaurs.

Just because you personally do not know it does not mean humanity as a whole does not. That is like the Krebs Cycle may or may not exist because you do not understand how it works.
So you hold phrenology is valid?  That is against what "humanity as a whole" knows.  At best you can say phrenology is invalid but what we know about skulls of animals and the leaps of logic we make due to that is valid.

Surely neurology and neuroscience exist, but whether they understand "how brains basically work" has yet to be shown by you or the sciences involved.  

Saying we understand ancient reptilian brains because we understand human brains is akin to saying dinosaurs could build boats because we can.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1228 on: March 11, 2011, 10:47:09 PM »
Saying we understand ancient reptilian brains because we understand human brains is akin to saying dinosaurs could build boats because we can.

Or that dinosaurs could build boats because some bird nests can float.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1229 on: March 11, 2011, 10:48:49 PM »
Saying we understand ancient reptilian brains because we understand human brains is akin to saying dinosaurs could build boats because we can.

How can you even attempt to draw that conclusion?

Saying we can understand the cognitive capacity of ancient dinosaur brains because we understand neurology is akin is saying we understand how dinosaurs digested food because we understand gastroenterology.

We understand how evolution works, therefore, modern dinosaurs should resemble how the ancient ones work.

In order to make this one theory of migrating, boat making dinosaurs work, you have to pretty much deny a handful of other established theories and sciences.
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