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Z0mgZ0rs

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No Satellites? Are cell phones real then??
« on: November 06, 2009, 01:20:58 PM »
Cause you say satellites are fake, but I see people with cell phones and I don't know what to think.
Which brings me to my next question, are cell phones even real, or is it just a conspiracy?
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Re: No Satellites? Are cell phones real then??
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2009, 01:25:58 PM »
What do satellites have to do with cell phones?  ???
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Re: No Satellites? Are cell phones real then??
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2009, 01:26:21 PM »
What do you think?
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Re: No Satellites? Are cell phones real then??
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2009, 01:27:10 PM »
I think that satellites have nothing at all to do with cell phones. 
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Re: No Satellites? Are cell phones real then??
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2009, 01:35:21 PM »
How does GPS work then?
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Re: No Satellites? Are cell phones real then??
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2009, 02:07:10 PM »
Quote from: Z0mgZ0rs on November 06, 2009, 01:35:21 PM
How does GPS work then?

The same way cell phones do.
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Re: No Satellites? Are cell phones real then??
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2009, 02:16:44 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on November 06, 2009, 02:07:10 PM
Quote from: Z0mgZ0rs on November 06, 2009, 01:35:21 PM
How does GPS work then?

The same way cell phones do.

which both can operate without satellites
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Re: No Satellites? Are cell phones real then??
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2009, 04:22:16 PM »
Quote from: markjo on November 06, 2009, 01:27:10 PM
I think that satellites have nothing at all to do with cell phones. 

Jesus Christ...
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Re: No Satellites? Are cell phones real then??
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2009, 04:30:09 PM »
Quote from: MikeVaughanG on November 06, 2009, 04:22:16 PM
Quote from: markjo on November 06, 2009, 01:27:10 PM
I think that satellites have nothing at all to do with cell phones. 

Jesus Christ...
Uhhhh...
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Re: No Satellites? Are cell phones real then??
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2009, 04:33:21 PM »
There are satellite phones and mobile/cell phones. The latter have indeed nothing to do with satellites. It's that simple.

Edit: Yeah, frostee, that's it.
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Re: No Satellites? Are cell phones real then??
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2009, 04:35:27 PM »
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Re: No Satellites? Are cell phones real then??
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2009, 04:37:57 PM »
Some pretty pictures you have there. Perhaps you do not know how a cell phone network happens to work
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_site
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Re: No Satellites? Are cell phones real then??
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2009, 04:42:39 PM »
I know exactly how G3 networks work, which is by satellite (very similar to the picture I sent you).

So much so, that I haven't even clicked on your Wikipedia article. :)

What you are referring to are basic networks that we haven't used since "The Brick"



If you would like to get into a technology debate with me, PLEASE post somewhere else so we can have this discussion. :)


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Re: No Satellites? Are cell phones real then??
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2009, 04:59:39 PM »
Quote from: MikeVaughanG on November 06, 2009, 04:42:39 PM
I know exactly how G3 networks work, which is by satellite (very similar to the picture I sent you).
For the love of God, please tell me that you don't honestly believe that.

Quote from: MikeVaughanG on November 06, 2009, 04:42:39 PM
So much so, that I haven't even clicked on your Wikipedia article. :)
Arrogance and ignorance is a very powerful combination to overcome.

Quote from: MikeVaughanG on November 06, 2009, 04:42:39 PM
What you are referring to are basic networks that we haven't used since "The Brick"
As far as I know, Iridium is about the only satellite phone system in commercial service today.

Quote from: MikeVaughanG on November 06, 2009, 04:42:39 PM
If you would like to get into a technology debate with me, PLEASE post somewhere else so we can have this discussion. :)
You may want to check your facts before engaging in such a debate.
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Re: No Satellites? Are cell phones real then??
« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2009, 12:52:34 AM »
Quote from: Z0mgZ0rs on November 06, 2009, 01:20:58 PM
Cause you say satellites are fake, but I see people with cell phones and I don't know what to think.
Which brings me to my next question, are cell phones even real, or is it just a conspiracy?


I'm sure that cell phones don't necessarily require satellites to work--at least not within a local cell or between neighboring cells.  In fact, it would be rather stupid to relay a call from one cell phone to another in the same or geographically close cell via satellite.  However it is not unreasonable to suppose that over longer distances, especially intercontinental calls, that at least some telephone calls (both cell phones and standard phones) are relayed through commericial communication satellites (though most of them probably go by undersea, transoceanic cables).

A far more difficult question for FE'ers to answer is:  "What are satellite TV antennas aimed at?"  I asked that question in a previous thread, and no FE response came even close to being a reasonable answer to that question.
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Re: No Satellites? Are cell phones real then??
« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2009, 01:26:42 AM »
Quote from: Rational U.S. Viking on November 07, 2009, 12:52:34 AM

A far more difficult question for FE'ers to answer is:  "What are satellite TV antennas aimed at?"  I asked that question in a previous thread, and no FE response came even close to being a reasonable answer to that question.
Optimal areas in the ionoplane(or ionsphere as flat earthers like to call it.)

That or pseudo- or strato- lites
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Re: No Satellites? Are cell phones real then??
« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2009, 01:35:39 AM »
Quote from: John Davis on November 07, 2009, 01:26:42 AM
Quote from: Rational U.S. Viking on November 07, 2009, 12:52:34 AM

A far more difficult question for FE'ers to answer is:  "What are satellite TV antennas aimed at?"  I asked that question in a previous thread, and no FE response came even close to being a reasonable answer to that question.
Optimal areas in the ionoplane(or ionsphere as flat earthers like to call it.)

That or pseudo- or strato- lites

That is a prime example of the nonsensical answers I was talking about!  I rest my case!
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Re: No Satellites? Are cell phones real then??
« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2009, 07:25:44 AM »
Quote from: IAMSAM on November 06, 2009, 02:16:44 PM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on November 06, 2009, 02:07:10 PM
Quote from: Z0mgZ0rs on November 06, 2009, 01:35:21 PM
How does GPS work then?

The same way cell phones do.

which both can operate without satellites
I agree on cell phones, but just how can GPS work without satellites?
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Re: No Satellites? Are cell phones real then??
« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2009, 08:01:11 AM »
Quote from: EireEngineer on November 07, 2009, 07:25:44 AM
I agree on cell phones, but just how can GPS work without satellites?
Theoretically, GPS could work just fine using enough fixed towers.  However, anyone who has access to the proper radio receiving and decoding equipment can easily tell that the GPS system that we all know and love is based on a number of moving transmitters.
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Re: No Satellites? Are cell phones real then??
« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2009, 08:54:48 AM »
Quote from: markjo on November 07, 2009, 08:01:11 AM
Quote from: EireEngineer on November 07, 2009, 07:25:44 AM
I agree on cell phones, but just how can GPS work without satellites?
Theoretically, GPS could work just fine using enough fixed towers.  However, anyone who has access to the proper radio receiving and decoding equipment can easily tell that the GPS system that we all know and love is based on a number of moving transmitters.
Actually, I am pretty sure the satellites are in geo-stationary orbit.
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Re: No Satellites? Are cell phones real then??
« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2009, 09:10:39 AM »
Quote from: EireEngineer on November 07, 2009, 08:54:48 AM
Quote from: markjo on November 07, 2009, 08:01:11 AM
Quote from: EireEngineer on November 07, 2009, 07:25:44 AM
I agree on cell phones, but just how can GPS work without satellites?
Theoretically, GPS could work just fine using enough fixed towers.  However, anyone who has access to the proper radio receiving and decoding equipment can easily tell that the GPS system that we all know and love is based on a number of moving transmitters.
Actually, I am pretty sure the satellites are in geo-stationary orbit.
Nope. 
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« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2009, 09:23:24 AM »
thanks, it did seem odd that the signal strength would be so high from geo-stationary orbit.  Now I know why, lol.
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