Proof of RET via topology

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Parsifal

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Re: Proof of RET via topology
« Reply #30 on: September 27, 2009, 01:46:35 PM »
Now your just forcing things.
at the north pole, the sun never sets at the solstice.
yet, the sun is 66.5 latitudes away.
now we have set up the radius for the suns rays.
now those Aussies must be real depressed
to have no sunlight.

Once again FET has damned itself

Uh, how? You can use exactly the same argument in RET, and it doesn't make it any less flawed.
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Re: Proof of RET via topology
« Reply #31 on: September 27, 2009, 04:42:07 PM »
Now your just forcing things.
at the north pole, the sun never sets at the solstice.
yet, the sun is 66.5 latitudes away.
now we have set up the radius for the suns rays.
now those Aussies must be real depressed
to have no sunlight.

Once again FET has damned itself

Uh, how? You can use exactly the same argument in RET, and it doesn't make it any less flawed.

Piggybacking on RET is not blanket reasoning.
sry, I used the wrong place. insert Punta Arenas there.

so according to your theory, the sun has a shining radius of 66.5
therefore, how would it reach 50S?

And RET fits perfectly with time of day and seasons.

 

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Re: Proof of RET via topology
« Reply #32 on: September 27, 2009, 04:44:50 PM »
SO.

Anybody going to actually tell me how the topic of this thread holds true with FET?

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Re: Proof of RET via topology
« Reply #33 on: September 27, 2009, 04:52:11 PM »
so according to your theory, the sun has a shining radius of 66.5

This is the part I was talking about, when I said that your argument was flawed.
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Re: Proof of RET via topology
« Reply #34 on: September 27, 2009, 05:11:47 PM »
so please tell me what the shining radius of your sun is.

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Re: Proof of RET via topology
« Reply #35 on: September 27, 2009, 05:44:24 PM »
so please tell me what the shining radius of your sun is.

Approximately 1.0 ⨯ 107 m.
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Re: Proof of RET via topology
« Reply #36 on: September 27, 2009, 06:15:04 PM »
so please tell me what the shining radius of your sun is.

Approximately 1.0 ⨯ 107 m.

ok, what is the radius of the earth itself?
or what is the distance between the north pole, and chile's tip.

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Re: Proof of RET via topology
« Reply #37 on: September 27, 2009, 06:20:54 PM »
so please tell me what the shining radius of your sun is.

Approximately 1.0 ⨯ 107 m.

ok, what is the radius of the earth itself?
or what is the distance between the north pole, and chile's tip.
If you are willing to pay for our travel expenses, we will gladly measure.
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Re: Proof of RET via topology
« Reply #38 on: September 27, 2009, 06:27:41 PM »
ok, what is the radius of the earth itself?

Depending on which model you follow, anywhere from 2.0 ⨯ 107 m to ∞ m.

or what is the distance between the north pole, and chile's tip.

Depending on where you define the "tip" of Chile to be, anywhere from 1.2 ⨯ 107 m to 2.0 ⨯ 107 m.
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Re: Proof of RET via topology
« Reply #39 on: September 27, 2009, 07:46:20 PM »
ok, what is the radius of the earth itself?

Depending on which model you follow, anywhere from 2.0 ⨯ 107 m to ∞ m.

or what is the distance between the north pole, and chile's tip.

Depending on where you define the "tip" of Chile to be, anywhere from 1.2 ⨯ 107 m to 2.0 ⨯ 107 m.

ok, what do YOU think the surface area is for the earth, seeing as radius does not apply to a non disk or believer.

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Re: Proof of RET via topology
« Reply #40 on: September 27, 2009, 07:49:08 PM »
ok, what do YOU think the surface area is for the earth, seeing as radius does not apply to a non disk or believer.

As I have just stated in another thread, I don't believe the Earth to be any particular shape. My opinion doesn't enter into it.
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Re: Proof of RET via topology
« Reply #41 on: September 27, 2009, 10:08:14 PM »
ok, what do YOU think the surface area is for the earth, seeing as radius does not apply to a non disk or believer.

As I have just stated in another thread, I don't believe the Earth to be any particular shape. My opinion doesn't enter into it.

I am asking you, do you think the earth has a definite surface area.
something could have no particular shape, but have definite surface area

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Re: Proof of RET via topology
« Reply #42 on: September 28, 2009, 06:35:39 AM »
Since he didn't give you a surface area, I'm doubting he believes in a fixed one.

Also, I'm surprised sky mirrors haven't been brought up yet. That'd fix the sun issue!
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Re: Proof of RET via topology
« Reply #43 on: September 28, 2009, 07:48:39 AM »
I am asking you, do you think the earth has a definite surface area.

It probably does.
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Re: Proof of RET via topology
« Reply #44 on: September 28, 2009, 08:04:51 AM »
ok, what do YOU think the surface area is for the earth, seeing as radius does not apply to a non disk or believer.

As I have just stated in another thread, I don't believe the Earth to be any particular shape.

Truisms are no use to anyone Robo.

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Re: Proof of RET via topology
« Reply #45 on: September 28, 2009, 08:06:04 AM »
Truisms are no use to anyone Robo.

As I have already pointed out, you have no concept of what a truism is.
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Re: Proof of RET via topology
« Reply #46 on: September 28, 2009, 08:07:46 AM »
Truisms are what president truman said, right!?
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Re: Proof of RET via topology
« Reply #47 on: September 28, 2009, 08:15:13 AM »
Truisms are no use to anyone Robo.

As I have already pointed out, you have no concept of what a truism is.

As has already been pointed out, yes I do.

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: an undoubted or self-evident truth; especially : one too obvious for mention

If we remove the negative "belief" (since, according to you, opinion doesn't count)

We have "The earth is any shape".

Congratulations on presenting another glorious truism. You have won. Take anything from the bottom row.

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Re: Proof of RET via topology
« Reply #48 on: September 28, 2009, 08:16:24 AM »
If we remove the negative "belief" (since, according to you, opinion doesn't count)

But it is a statement regarding my belief. By removing the "belief" aspect of it, you are changing what the statement says.
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Re: Proof of RET via topology
« Reply #49 on: September 28, 2009, 08:54:23 AM »
But it is a statement regarding my belief. By removing the "belief" aspect of it, you are changing what the statement says.

You had it right here:

My opinion doesn't enter into it.

It is regardless whether you "believe" the statements or not. They are still truisms.

Look:

If it is dark then it will also be black.

I believe that that if it is dark then it will also be black.

A cat has four legs unless it has more or less than four, in which case it does not have four legs.

I believe that a cat has four legs unless it has more or less than four, in which case it does not have four legs.


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Re: Proof of RET via topology
« Reply #50 on: September 28, 2009, 09:07:16 AM »
It is regardless whether you "believe" the statements or not. They are still truisms.

Look:

If it is dark then it will also be black.

I believe that that if it is dark then it will also be black.

A cat has four legs unless it has more or less than four, in which case it does not have four legs.

I believe that a cat has four legs unless it has more or less than four, in which case it does not have four legs.

My statement is not similar to either of those.
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Re: Proof of RET via topology
« Reply #51 on: September 28, 2009, 09:09:08 AM »
My statement is not similar to either of those.

Yes it is. I wish you'd learn Steve. Really I do.

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Re: Proof of RET via topology
« Reply #52 on: September 28, 2009, 09:10:19 AM »
Yes it is. I wish you'd learn Steve. Really I do.

No, it really isn't. Neither of those statements contains a negative belief.
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Re: Proof of RET via topology
« Reply #53 on: September 28, 2009, 09:15:02 AM »

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Re: Proof of RET via topology
« Reply #54 on: September 28, 2009, 09:16:02 AM »
My opinion doesn't enter into it.

Please don't take my statements out of context. I would say that my opinion enters quite heavily into a statement regarding my opinion.
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Re: Proof of RET via topology
« Reply #55 on: September 28, 2009, 09:25:54 AM »
Please don't take my statements out of context. I would say that my opinion enters quite heavily into a statement regarding my opinion.

It's not out of context at all. Go back and reread what you said.

A statement about your opinion would only be worth anything if the end "fact" was not a truism. In this case it is.

*sigh* Please tell me we're getting there slowly Steve.

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Re: Proof of RET via topology
« Reply #56 on: September 28, 2009, 09:27:57 AM »
It's not out of context at all. Go back and reread what you said.

I'm aware of what I said, and I said nothing about my opinion not being relevant to that statement.

A statement about your opinion would only be worth anything if the end "fact" was not a truism. In this case it is.

An opinion is not a fact, and the two are not related. The statement is not a truism because it has possible alternatives; as I stated in the "Devils Advocates" thread, please let me know if you would like me to provide one.
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« Reply #57 on: September 28, 2009, 09:39:18 AM »
An opinion is not a fact, and the two are not related.

That's going in Monster Fail. I'm sorry.

Genius.

Opinions are based around facts, or presumed facts. If the facts are not weak truisms then the opinion could be interesting...

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Re: Proof of RET via topology
« Reply #58 on: September 28, 2009, 09:40:07 AM »
Opinions are based around facts, or presumed facts.

Many are, but they don't need to be.
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« Reply #59 on: October 03, 2009, 05:36:30 AM »
Opinions are based around facts, or presumed facts.

Many are, but they don't need to be.

If opinions are not based on facts or presumed facts, what are the alternatives?
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