The Bible and Science

** I am not poking fun of any religion, nor am i insulting the core of your beliefs **

I hear the Bible being brought up a few times. FE'ers are Christian based i am assuming. (i could be assuming wrong.) Coming from a highly Christian upbringing, turned atheist, i'm wondering how the Bible can be seen as a Scientific text.

The Bible is a great book. It has been reproduced easily more times than any other publication. It's social effects are vast, and for some, answers questions that can't be answered by science.

Politically it gives a church that controls people and gives them structure and foundation for society

Mentally it gives a higher power to answer to, and ultimately controlling ones actions for and against the fellow man.

Historically it is an account on what happened on Earth for thousands of years.

I'm a firm believer that the world is a better, more organized place because of the Bible. Just imagine if the average person didn't have anyone to answer to, and couldn't be held accountable for anything. This can be said for most all writings of Faith.

Having said that, and firmly believing:
I can not for the life of me see how the Bible can be used as Scientific fact. I can't apply what i have learned in my Calculus book to the psychology of humans. I apply Math when Math is needed. I apply psychology where psychology is needed. I apply history when history is needed. I don't pull out the US History book when i need to know the density of lead. So i can't see pulling out a socio-political-religious book out when i need answers to the physical world around me.

The Bible was written thousands of years ago. And whether you believe it is Divinely inspired or not, you can't refute the fact that it was scribed by man. Interpreted by man. Reproduced by man. And past on from generation to generation by man. Since it has been in the hands of man and men are sometimes wrong, I can't see believing this few thousand old document as Scientific fact.

ie. Lightning is caused by static electricity in the clouds. But the ppl in the Biblical ERA believed Lightning came directly from God and showed his wrath. Now whether or now God created the storm itself for whatever purpose is irrelevant. The ppl saw the lightning as coming directly from God, where as today we see it coming from a storm.

How can a ppl so ignorant of today's modern day Science write and reproduce a book of science when their faith was not based on scientific fact? And how come ppl continue to use a religious text as scientific fact, when it doesn't follow or support our modern day findings?

I thought the bible made some references to the earth being round.

Also, I believe you've made the 1000th topic in this section of the forum.

I thought the bible made some references to the earth being round.

Also, I believe you've made the 1000th topic in this section of the forum.

Not counting the stickies, it's #996.

the bible isn't a book, it's a library.

the bible isn't a book, it's a library.

what!??   :!:

I think what he is pointing out is that the bible itself is a collection of many different books.

Or he is an idiot

one of the two perhaps

How can a ppl so ignorant of today's modern day Science write and reproduce a book of science when their faith was not based on scientific fact? And how come ppl continue to use a religious text as scientific fact, when it doesn't follow or support our modern day findings?

Because FEs are fucktards. Man, I am having way too much fun with that word, but it's pretty much true. They're all fucktards, or else they wouldn't be FEs.

Because FEs are fucktards. Man, I am having way too much fun with that word, but it's pretty much true. They're all fucktards, or else they wouldn't be FEs.

Why are you so violently against the idea that your government is lying to you?

I'm not violent against the idea that my government is lying to me. I know it is about some things. What I can't stand is how you FEs can just look in the face of plain evidence and say, "Well it's a conspiracy. It disproves our theory (which is fact to you people) and is therefore wrong." That is the only logic you people use, and it is very flawed at that.

For about the 100th time, the Bible does not prove that the earth is flat.  Quit being an idiot.  The Bible is a Testiment of Jesus Christ and God's ministry.  When it comes to "proving" that the earth is flat, all that the Bible "proves" is that the people of the time did not know that the earth was round yet.  It was written THOUSANDS of years before Christopher Columbus or Magellan.  That is like saying "the Bible PROVES that the Pistons will win the 2007 NBA Championship".

BTW, I am a Christian who KNOWS that the earth is round.  So quit associating the FE idiots to me.

Why are you so violently against the idea that your government is lying to you?

Why are you against the fact that the Earth is round?

Why are you against the fact that the Earth is round?

Because a round Earth is counter-intuitive (since it seems approximately flat).

Government lies are many and obvious.

Suppose the earth is flat.  What do you care, FE'ers?  It obviously doesn't affect you personally, seeing as if it did (say, you were a pilot, which is more mainstream of a job/skill than you guys are making it out to be) you'd already realize that the earth was round.
Suppose you unmask the government conspiracies.  What happens next?

I'm just trying to understand FE'ers motivation (as in, I could have worded all this as an "angry ranting" type of post, but chose to be decent not for fear of being banned, but for the sake of decency).  Is it simply to seek out the 'truth'?  Personally, having to choose between "Blissfully naive" and "Miserably wise", I'd pick "Blissfully naive".  If FE is discovered to be true, are you going to look to use that as a reason to accept more of the bible's science?  Will you look to clear the slate of accumulated universal laws and theories and start from scratch?  How will that give us any more of an advantage in understanding reality, than simply continuing to expand on RE-ism which we've already worked so far to prove?

Suppose the earth is flat.  What do you care, FE'ers?  It obviously doesn't affect you personally, seeing as if it did (say, you were a pilot, which is more mainstream of a job/skill than you guys are making it out to be) you'd already realize that the earth was round.
Suppose you unmask the government conspiracies.  What happens next?

I'm just trying to understand FE'ers motivation (as in, I could have worded all this as an "angry ranting" type of post, but chose to be decent not for fear of being banned, but for the sake of decency).  Is it simply to seek out the 'truth'?  Personally, having to choose between "Blissfully naive" and "Miserably wise", I'd pick "Blissfully naive".  If FE is discovered to be true, are you going to look to use that as a reason to accept more of the bible's science?  Will you look to clear the slate of accumulated universal laws and theories and start from scratch?  How will that give us any more of an advantage in understanding reality, than simply continuing to expand on RE-ism which we've already worked so far to prove?

The world must know, because there is, in my opinion, a very sinister reason for the cover-up. You know "global" warming, right? (it's technically disc warming but anyway). Well, on a Round Earth, it's not that big a deal. Sure, the polar ice caps melt a bit and sea levels rise. So what? It's not like it could kill us all or anything.

But what's the function of the polar areas of ice in the true model of the Earth? One of them literally holds in the oceans and atmosphere. If these melt, we'll all suffocate, and the oceans will bleed into space. That's a much bigger deal, and the conspiracy wants to cover this up so they can carry on polluting and making money (they probably have an escape plan of some kind).

The public MUST know the truth, for the safety of the human race (and all life on Earth)!

(This view isn't a universal FE one, just my own personal conviction). Why else would the con be so desperate to cover it up?

The world must know, because there is, in my opinion, a very sinister reason for the cover-up. You know "global" warming, right? (it's technically disc warming but anyway). Well, on a Round Earth, it's not that big a deal. Sure, the polar ice caps melt a bit and sea levels rise. So what? It's not like it could kill us all or anything.

But what's the function of the polar areas of ice in the true model of the Earth? One of them literally holds in the oceans and atmosphere. If these melt, we'll all suffocate, and the oceans will bleed into space. That's a much bigger deal, and the conspiracy wants to cover this up so they can carry on polluting and making money (they probably have an escape plan of some kind).

The public MUST know the truth, for the safety of the human race (and all life on Earth)!

(This view isn't a universal FE one, just my own personal conviction). Why else would the con be so desperate to cover it up?

Nonsense.

For one, the Global Warming Theory claims that the melted ice would cause a dramatic salinity content drop (the ratio would be skewed) in the ocean.  The effects of this would have very large changes to the climate systems on our planet.  It wouldn't be as chaotic and fictional as "The Day After Tommorow", but it certainly wouldn't be good.

Notwithstanding, there is no evidence that suggests that this is not a natural cycle of Earth.  We don't have accurate temperature readings which date back far enough to give us anything conclusive.  If this is the case, then the last ice age would have had the same effect, yet obviously on the FE the icewall is still there and you are still alive.

Nonsense.

For one, the Global Warming Theory claims that the melted ice would cause a dramatic salinity content drop (the ratio would be skewed) in the ocean.  The effects of this would have very large changes to the climate systems on our planet.  It wouldn't be as chaotic and fictional as "The Day After Tommorow", but it certainly wouldn't be good.

Notwithstanding, there is no evidence that suggests that this is not a natural cycle of Earth.  We don't have accurate temperature readings which date back far enough to give us anything conclusive.  If this is the case, then the last ice age would have had the same effect, yet obviously on the FE the icewall is still there and you are still alive.

An ice age would freeze much of the Earth's water so that it wouldn't roll off the edges. Actual circular (global) warming, which many prominent scientists do consider a possible threat, would melt the ice wall. Wouldn't it?

.....But what's the function of the polar areas of ice in the true model of the Earth? One of them literally holds in the oceans and atmosphere. If these melt, we'll all suffocate, and the oceans will bleed into space. ....

Erhm, how could a 150 ft high wall possibly hold in the atmosphere? If this would mean the atmosphere is 150 ft thick (otherwise it would spill over the edge), quite a lot of people would suffocate while standing atop some skyscraper or the Eiffeltower (or are these also fake?). Even better, the tops would explode because of the lack of air pressure outside. I think some people would notice that. Unless, of course, they are (like pretty much every man, animal, plant, bacteria, guinea pig and plant) part of the conspiracy.

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.....But what's the function of the polar areas of ice in the true model of the Earth? One of them literally holds in the oceans and atmosphere. If these melt, we'll all suffocate, and the oceans will bleed into space. ....

Erhm, how could a 150 ft high wall possibly hold in the atmosphere? If this would mean the atmosphere is 150 ft thick (otherwise it would spill over the edge), quite a lot of people would suffocate while standing atop some skyscraper or the Eiffeltower (or are these also fake?). Even better, the tops would explode because of the lack of air pressure outside. I think some people would notice that. Unless, of course, they are (like pretty much every man, animal, plant, bacteria, guinea pig and plant) part of the conspiracy.

I believe the ice wall to be thousands of feet high.

I believe the ice wall to be thousands of feet high.

Well, if the ice wall is thousands of feet high, high enough to keep in the atmosphere, why can't it be seen from a great height with a telescope? Even if the vast conspiracy could keep you from nearing the ice wall, tyhe only way to block it visually from great distances would be some sort of cloaking device. You aren'[t suggesting that the governement has used some sort of cloaking device on the ice wall, are you? And prior to the advent of this apparent cloaking device, someone would have seen it during some point in time and it would have been mythicized to some extent, like the sea serpent.

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Suppose the earth is flat.  What do you care, FE'ers?  It obviously doesn't affect you personally, seeing as if it did (say, you were a pilot, which is more mainstream of a job/skill than you guys are making it out to be) you'd already realize that the earth was round.
Suppose you unmask the government conspiracies.  What happens next?

I'm just trying to understand FE'ers motivation (as in, I could have worded all this as an "angry ranting" type of post, but chose to be decent not for fear of being banned, but for the sake of decency).  Is it simply to seek out the 'truth'?  Personally, having to choose between "Blissfully naive" and "Miserably wise", I'd pick "Blissfully naive".  If FE is discovered to be true, are you going to look to use that as a reason to accept more of the bible's science?  Will you look to clear the slate of accumulated universal laws and theories and start from scratch?  How will that give us any more of an advantage in understanding reality, than simply continuing to expand on RE-ism which we've already worked so far to prove?

The world must know, because there is, in my opinion, a very sinister reason for the cover-up. You know "global" warming, right? (it's technically disc warming but anyway). Well, on a Round Earth, it's not that big a deal. Sure, the polar ice caps melt a bit and sea levels rise. So what? It's not like it could kill us all or anything.

But what's the function of the polar areas of ice in the true model of the Earth? One of them literally holds in the oceans and atmosphere. If these melt, we'll all suffocate, and the oceans will bleed into space. That's a much bigger deal, and the conspiracy wants to cover this up so they can carry on polluting and making money (they probably have an escape plan of some kind).

The public MUST know the truth, for the safety of the human race (and all life on Earth)!

(This view isn't a universal FE one, just my own personal conviction). Why else would the con be so desperate to cover it up?

So apparently the government is planning on moving to another location in the universe since, well, apparently they don't thrive whatsoever off of the people they govern. Maybe there's a better place to live out in the universe - maybe there are Alien Megasluts who are willing do things to us that'd make the Kama Sutra seem like a pop-up book (no pun intended).  Not to mention investing the money they scammed off of earthlings on the Mars stock market.
Or, reality is nice too.

(no pun intended).  

I think you're lying.

:wink:

dont be hating on the bible, if it wasnt for the good book, you wouldent be here.

what about those born outside of wedlock?

dont be hating on the bible, if it wasnt for the good book, you wouldent be here.

why wouldnt i ? i got this far without it, as did my parents.

i think the bible is crap. its boring to read.

There are some decent parts to the bible, but I agree, most of it is fucking boring..

Revelations is fun for symbolism.
Romans has some good quotes.
Judges is good to point out when people claim the bible is sexist (with the female judge and everything)

I believe the ice wall to be thousands of feet high.

You also believe that penguins are genetically engineered and/or robots and that dinosaurs made boats.

That would be an ecumenical matter.

That would be an ecumenical matter.

Which exactly?

That would be an ecumenical matter.

"YES"
"THAT WOULD BE AN ECUMENICAL MATTER"