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The Sun
« on: July 20, 2009, 04:25:34 AM »
I have a question for the FE's. If the Earth has no gravity, how come in the FE model the Sun still 'orbits' the Earth? why wouldn't It fly off into distant space?

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Re: The Sun
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2009, 08:44:39 AM »
It doesn't orbit the earth.

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Re: The Sun
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2009, 08:47:08 AM »
Since Hara Taiki, a mod, is not polite enough to answer your question, I will do so.

In the FE model, the sun floats above the Earth because it is accelerated by dark energy just like the Earth. Both the Earth and the Sun are accelerating at the same rate, so it gives the impression that the Sun is floating above us.

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Re: The Sun
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2009, 08:50:39 AM »
That's not entirely true. Many serious Flat Earth theorists, myself included, believe that the Sun is suspended above the Earth by way of photoelectric suspension, that is to say, it is a metallic massice disc with a similar charge to the Earth's core.
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Re: The Sun
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2009, 08:54:44 AM »
That's not entirely true. Many serious Flat Earth theorists, myself included, believe that the Sun is suspended above the Earth by way of photoelectric suspension, that is to say, it is a metallic massice disc with a similar charge to the Earth's core.

If it is a metallic disc, how do you explain that it always appears to be round to all observers everywhere? If it was a disc it should appear elliptical at times as it moves around.

 
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Re: The Sun
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2009, 08:57:20 AM »
What's difference between human beings, sun and earth that dark energy accelerates earth, earth shields human beings from being accelerated, and sun is not shielded?

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Re: The Sun
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2009, 09:35:16 AM »
Since Hara Taiki, a mod, is not polite enough to answer your question, I will do so.

In the FE model, the sun floats above the Earth because it is accelerated by dark energy just like the Earth. Both the Earth and the Sun are accelerating at the same rate, so it gives the impression that the Sun is floating above us.

QED, the sun doesn't orbit the earth. What was wrong with my answer?

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Re: The Sun
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2009, 09:50:27 AM »
It's like if someone asked you: "is the Earth round or flat?" and you answered: "it's not a cube."

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Re: The Sun
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2009, 09:54:17 AM »
What's difference between human beings, sun and earth that dark energy accelerates earth, earth shields human beings from being accelerated, and sun is not shielded?

Human beings aren't huge bodies of metal with identical charge to the Earth's core?
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Re: The Sun
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2009, 10:08:59 AM »
What's difference between human beings, sun and earth that dark energy accelerates earth, earth shields human beings from being accelerated, and sun is not shielded?

Human beings aren't huge bodies of metal with identical charge to the Earth's core?

Then why are human beings not fried to a crisp by the photoelectric energy that suspends the sun (and moon and any other metallic celestial bodies)?
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Re: The Sun
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2009, 11:53:09 AM »
Then why are human beings not fried to a crisp by the photoelectric energy that suspends the sun (and moon and any other metallic celestial bodies)?

It could be said that even though we might live in a large photoelectric field, we calibrate our instruments to zero anyway.

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Re: The Sun
« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2009, 12:08:40 PM »
It's like if someone asked you: "is the Earth round or flat?" and you answered: "it's not a cube."

No it isn't. Go and read the question and then the answer again. You asked how it orbits the flat earth, and I responded that it doesn't orbit the earth. If you knew the definition of orbit and then looked at the currently accepted model of FET, you would have figured out what I meant.

Your ignorance is not my concern after that point.

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Re: The Sun
« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2009, 12:22:45 PM »
Then why are human beings not fried to a crisp by the photoelectric energy that suspends the sun (and moon and any other metallic celestial bodies)?

It could be said that even though we might live in a large photoelectric field, we calibrate our instruments to zero anyway.

Tom, I'm not talking about our instruments being fried.  I'm talking about our bodies being fried.  You know, those fragile mortal shells that we tend to lug around Dogplatter's giant microwave oven.
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Re: The Sun
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2009, 12:44:15 PM »
Tom, I'm not talking about our instruments being fried.  I'm talking about our bodies being fried.  You know, those fragile mortal shells that we tend to lug around Dogplatter's giant microwave oven.

Obviously life evolved to suit its environment.

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Re: The Sun
« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2009, 12:47:40 PM »
It could be said that even though we might live in a large photoelectric field, we calibrate our instruments to zero anyway.

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Re: The Sun
« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2009, 12:52:59 PM »
It could be said that even though we might live in a large photoelectric field, we calibrate our instruments to zero anyway.
Why would we do that?  Zero means none, not background level.
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Re: The Sun
« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2009, 01:17:27 PM »
We can detect electrons though, right?

How many electrons does your clock radio say is hitting it at any given time?

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Why would we do that?  Zero means none, not background level.

How do we know what none is when we exist on earth and need the calibration to read zero?

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Re: The Sun
« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2009, 01:23:20 PM »
And there is a tonne of radiation pouring out of the sky at any given second. Thousands of neutrinos are streaming through your body every minute. Globularism claims it's produced by nuclear processes in the gargantuan star-Sun. Clearly, that is not where it's coming from.
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Re: The Sun
« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2009, 01:36:39 PM »
And there is a tonne of radiation pouring out of the sky at any given second. Thousands of neutrinos are streaming through your body every minute. Globularism claims it's produced by nuclear processes in the gargantuan star-Sun. Clearly, that is not where it's coming from.

Actually, it would have to be. The detectors are all saying that the radiation passes by when the sun is overhead., in the same direction as the last report. The only unexplained part is the sudden turn around of these same particles in areas where the spotlight is not illuminating. I've been working to find out the cause of this.

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Re: The Sun
« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2009, 01:38:10 PM »
Something a bit simpler to answer:

That's not entirely true. Many serious Flat Earth theorists, myself included, believe that the Sun is suspended above the Earth by way of photoelectric suspension, that is to say, it is a metallic massice disc with a similar charge to the Earth's core.


If it is a metallic disc, how do you explain that it always appears to be round to all observers everywhere? If it was a disc it should appear elliptical at times as it moves around.

 

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Re: The Sun
« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2009, 01:48:51 PM »
And there is a tonne of radiation pouring out of the sky at any given second. Thousands of neutrinos are streaming through your body every minute. Globularism claims it's produced by nuclear processes in the gargantuan star-Sun. Clearly, that is not where it's coming from.

Actually, it would have to be. The detectors are all saying that the radiation passes by when the sun is overhead., in the same direction as the last report. The only unexplained part is the sudden turn around of these same particles in areas where the spotlight is not illuminating. I've been working to find out the cause of this.

Oh, you missed my meaning, sorry, I was ambiguous. I meant it's not coming from a Sun millions of miles away and many times the size of Earth. Of course radiation will be detected from THE Sun, the actual Sun, which is a massice disc barely 30 miles wide.
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Re: The Sun
« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2009, 01:57:36 PM »
And there is a tonne of radiation pouring out of the sky at any given second. Thousands of neutrinos are streaming through your body every minute. Globularism claims it's produced by nuclear processes in the gargantuan star-Sun. Clearly, that is not where it's coming from.

Actually, it would have to be. The detectors are all saying that the radiation passes by when the sun is overhead., in the same direction as the last report. The only unexplained part is the sudden turn around of these same particles in areas where the spotlight is not illuminating. I've been working to find out the cause of this.

Oh, you missed my meaning, sorry, I was ambiguous. I meant it's not coming from a Sun millions of miles away and many times the size of Earth. Of course radiation will be detected from THE Sun, the actual Sun, which is a massice disc barely 30 miles wide.

Right, but what I am investigating is the reports of the particles traversing away from earth in areas not illuminated by the spotlight, in which they are traversing towards the earth. Could the UA have something to do with this?

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Re: The Sun
« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2009, 11:41:17 PM »
Something a bit simpler to answer:

That's not entirely true. Many serious Flat Earth theorists, myself included, believe that the Sun is suspended above the Earth by way of photoelectric suspension, that is to say, it is a metallic massice disc with a similar charge to the Earth's core.


If it is a metallic disc, how do you explain that it always appears to be round to all observers everywhere? If it was a disc it should appear elliptical at times as it moves around.

 


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Re: The Sun
« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2009, 07:13:30 AM »
That's not entirely true. Many serious Flat Earth theorists, myself included, believe that the Sun is suspended above the Earth by way of photoelectric suspension, that is to say, it is a metallic massice disc with a similar charge to the Earth's core.

There is no consensus amongst FE's. You all have variations in beliefs and views. RE's believe the Earth orbits the Sun, and that it is a sphere. Fact.

No it isn't. Go and read the question and then the answer again. You asked how it orbits the flat earth, and I responded that it doesn't orbit the earth.

The main part of his question was 'why doesnt it fly off into space?', which you didn't answer. Twice.

If it is a metallic disc, how do you explain that it always appears to be round to all observers everywhere? If it was a disc it should appear elliptical at times as it moves around.

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Re: The Sun
« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2009, 07:44:39 AM »
Right, but what I am investigating is the reports of the particles traversing away from earth in areas not illuminated by the spotlight, in which they are traversing towards the earth. Could the UA have something to do with this?

I don't think so, because I, and others, consider the UA to functionally be a body of matter, not a force. Magic forces are on the same level as gravity in terms of believability (not high). It is little surprise that the mistaken notion of the UA as a force, was in all probability invented by a devil's advocate rather than a real Flat Earther. Unfortunately, it has been widely promulgated on this site.

If you want to think like me, stop thinking of the UA as a magic force. You might as well believe in gravity if you believe the UA is a magic force. (I know you do believe in gravity, but for the purpose of argument, UA qua magic force is just as unbelievable as gravity, which is why among genuine FEers, it is not believed nearly so widely as it is "believed" among devil's advocates).
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Re: The Sun
« Reply #25 on: July 21, 2009, 10:08:01 AM »
Something a bit simpler to answer:

That's not entirely true. Many serious Flat Earth theorists, myself included, believe that the Sun is suspended above the Earth by way of photoelectric suspension, that is to say, it is a metallic massice disc with a similar charge to the Earth's core.


If it is a metallic disc, how do you explain that it always appears to be round to all observers everywhere? If it was a disc it should appear elliptical at times as it moves around.

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Re: The Sun
« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2009, 10:10:18 AM »
Something a bit simpler to answer:

That's not entirely true. Many serious Flat Earth theorists, myself included, believe that the Sun is suspended above the Earth by way of photoelectric suspension, that is to say, it is a metallic massice disc with a similar charge to the Earth's core.


If it is a metallic disc, how do you explain that it always appears to be round to all observers everywhere? If it was a disc it should appear elliptical at times as it moves around.

You're wasting your time.  Dogplatter is very adept at ignoring questions like that.
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Re: The Sun
« Reply #27 on: July 21, 2009, 10:13:06 AM »
If it is a metallic disc, how do you explain that it always appears to be round to all observers everywhere? If it was a disc it should appear elliptical at times as it moves around.

The refractory effects of the atmolayer distort and misrepresent the true nature of the firmament. Globularists believe this too (or else the sky being blue would be inexplicable, as well as the convenient space-money excuse that powerful telescopes need to be in space to see properly).
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Re: The Sun
« Reply #28 on: July 21, 2009, 10:32:46 AM »
If it is a metallic disc, how do you explain that it always appears to be round to all observers everywhere? If it was a disc it should appear elliptical at times as it moves around.

The refractory effects of the atmolayer distort and misrepresent the true nature of the firmament. Globularists believe this too (or else the sky being blue would be inexplicable, as well as the convenient space-money excuse that powerful telescopes need to be in space to see properly).


Mmmm, interesting.

As a budding student of Zetetic Astronomy I personally think that if it looks like a sphere, (which is why it looks round to all observers, everywhere) then it must be a sphere. Seems I have a lot to learn. Maybe the fact that the earth looks flat is actually a distortion and it's actually spherical.

However, I really can't get my head around "The refractory effects of the atmolayer distort and misrepresent the true nature of the firmament."  Even Mr Rowbotham in his book Earth Not a Globe, you know, the one you said this about:

. . . probably the most important science textbook of the last 500 years, . . .

doesn't mention "The refractory effects of the atmolayer distort and misrepresent the true nature of the firmament."  or at least, I haven't seen that sentence in "the most important science textbook of the last 500 years".

As Mr Bishop says quite clearly in another thread,


The burden of proof is always on the claimant, whether it be about ghosts or "amazing" new technologies.

So, what proof is there that The refractory effects etc cause the sun to look spherical and why are you going against the principles of Zetetic astronomy with this claim? It looks spherical, therefore it is probably spherical.

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Re: The Sun
« Reply #29 on: July 21, 2009, 10:42:11 AM »
It doesn't look spherical at all, it looks flat. If it was spherical, it would be brighter at the centre than at the edges. Like this:



This is what a sphere looks like to our two dimensional human eyes. Notice how there are dark areas slowly shading into light areas.

Now go and take a long, hard look at the Sun. It doesn't look like that, does it?
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