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Orbital & Micro-G Video - No Conspiracies Here (Don't Be A Bishop)

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Orbital & Micro-G Video - No Conspiracies Here (Don't Be A Bishop)
« on: June 18, 2009, 09:15:41 AM »
Using the TGC ("Talisman of the Grand Conspiracy") or any other completely unscientific argument is worthless and admitting complete failure.  The very use of the word as an argument invalidates one's entire position.

I have linked here, evidence known to and accepted by the masses, that sustained orbit is commonplace.  I challenge anyone to disprove all of this evidence.  Disprove does not mean "cast doubt" or "suggest imperfection" or "show as questionable to some."  It means to show beyond all doubt that this evidence is not just mistaken or misinterpreted, but actually FAKED.

NASA TV.

Video of Earth from orbit.

To be clear, the challenge is:
Prove beyond all doubt that every video of Earth from orbit, and long-term Micro-G activity, has actually been faked and not just misinterpreted.

If Tom Bishop comes in here and says "photographic evidence is not admissible in this form", I think I might pee myself.  I might laugh some too.
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Re: Orbital & Micro-G Video - No Conspiracies Here (Don't Be A Bishop)
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2009, 09:37:51 AM »
I think that a direct personal attack on a moderator is reasonable grounds for a probationary ban, and I am about to act on this belief.
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Re: Orbital & Micro-G Video - No Conspiracies Here (Don't Be A Bishop)
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2009, 09:44:37 AM »
Quote from: Dogplatter on June 18, 2009, 09:37:51 AM
I think that a direct personal attack on a moderator is reasonable grounds for a probationary ban, and I am about to act on this belief.

Not wishing to appear sarcastic (this is a genuine question):

Isn't it incredibly hard to ban people in a virtual world like this?

Can't they just re-register under another pseudonym?

Or can you block IP addresses?

Even then, they could just go down to the cyber-cafe down the street.

Who'd be a moderator, eh?
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Re: Orbital & Micro-G Video - No Conspiracies Here (Don't Be A Bishop)
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2009, 09:46:28 AM »
So that we can continue to engage in the discussion once you get back after your week's holiday (and perhaps some of your friends will discuss the non-inflammatory elements of your post in your absence), let me just say that pointing out a conspiracy where one actually exists cannot be regarded as a fallacy.

Take, for example, the case of the Watergate scandal. Asking somebody to reasonably explain the event without reference to the notion of conspiracy is absurd, and so is asking somebody to explain NASA's product without reference to a conspiracy. Round Earthers who refuse to accept explanations which involve the conspiracy hold an unfair standard to the other side of the debate. What do you want us to do, just make up some excuse instead of calling it like it is? If there is actually a conspiracy, then saying so cannot be considered fallacious.
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Re: Orbital & Micro-G Video - No Conspiracies Here (Don't Be A Bishop)
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2009, 09:48:08 AM »
Quote from: 3 Tesla on June 18, 2009, 09:44:37 AM
Not wishing to appear sarcastic (this is a genuine question):

Isn't it incredibly hard to ban people in a virtual world like this?

Can't they just re-register under another pseudonym?

Or can you block IP addresses?

Even then, they could just go down to the cyber-cafe down the street.

Who'd be a moderator, eh?

Kind of off topic, but yes, we can block IP addresses. Sure, banned users can create new accounts from different computers, but our staff will gladly ban alt accounts (which are strictly prohibited), as and when they are discovered, until the cows come home.
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Re: Orbital & Micro-G Video - No Conspiracies Here (Don't Be A Bishop)
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2009, 11:01:24 AM »
Quote from: Dogplatter on June 18, 2009, 09:37:51 AM
I think that a direct personal attack on a moderator is reasonable grounds for a probationary ban, and I am about to act on this belief.

Neh. It's fine. We got in a heated argument and he was referring to SCG when he said my mother. She's the forum mom and all.
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Re: Orbital & Micro-G Video - No Conspiracies Here (Don't Be A Bishop)
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2009, 03:53:35 PM »
that went off-topic fast.

to OP-im expecting a "well it could be faked, you can't prove it real" type response.
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Re: Orbital & Micro-G Video - No Conspiracies Here (Don't Be A Bishop)
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2009, 05:37:33 PM »
Quote from: Skeptek on June 18, 2009, 09:15:41 AM
Using the TGC ("Talisman of the Grand Conspiracy") or any other completely unscientific argument is worthless and admitting complete failure.  The very use of the word as an argument invalidates one's entire position.

I have linked here, evidence known to and accepted by the masses, that sustained orbit is commonplace.  I challenge anyone to disprove all of this evidence.  Disprove does not mean "cast doubt" or "suggest imperfection" or "show as questionable to some."  It means to show beyond all doubt that this evidence is not just mistaken or misinterpreted, but actually FAKED.

NASA TV.

Video of Earth from orbit.

To be clear, the challenge is:
Prove beyond all doubt that every video of Earth from orbit, and long-term Micro-G activity, has actually been faked and not just misinterpreted.

If Tom Bishop comes in here and says "photographic evidence is not admissible in this form", I think I might pee myself.  I might laugh some too.

The only thing this post proves is that you have missed the point entirely. Good day to you, sir.
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Re: Orbital & Micro-G Video - No Conspiracies Here (Don't Be A Bishop)
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2009, 02:46:22 AM »
To be honest I don't know why anyone would go to such lengths to hide a huge ring of ice surrounding our planet, but people can be pretty fucked up.
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Re: Orbital & Micro-G Video - No Conspiracies Here (Don't Be A Bishop)
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2009, 03:18:08 AM »
Robosteve would you please care to elaborate? Just answering something around the lines of "no your're wrong" is very brief and undescriptive. Enlighten us. How did we miss the point?


With all due respect, this thread is doomed to go off-topic and die... Whenever FEers bring up the all mighty TGC, the thread dies. Why? There's no way to prove or disprove the presesnce of a conspiracy, and therefore the thread becomes an endless tug-o-war where nobody can win. The entire FET revolves around the presence of a conspiracy, and if that conspiracy wasn't part of their theory, the FET would have been torn to shreds a long time ago. It's this conspiracy that halts all logical debate in this forum... The problem with the OP is that, like I said, the entire FET would obliterated by videos like these if it weren't for the conspiracy argument. Not wonder there hasn't been any good responses yet, they CAN'T give a response, because there is absolutely no evidence that these videos are faked unless it were for the conspiracy. Strip that from them and then they have nothing to say...
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Re: Orbital & Micro-G Video - No Conspiracies Here (Don't Be A Bishop)
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2009, 03:27:32 AM »
Quote from: Skeptik on June 21, 2009, 03:18:08 AM
Robosteve would you please care to elaborate? Just answering something around the lines of "no your're wrong" is very brief and undescriptive. Enlighten us. How did we miss the point?

I'm sorry, any sort of detailed answer to that would constitute a spoiler. The best I can give you is "lurk moar".
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Re: Orbital & Micro-G Video - No Conspiracies Here (Don't Be A Bishop)
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2009, 03:30:45 AM »
That's EXACTLY what I was talking about in my last post... Perhaps you would also like to try to prove that those videos are faked and not just misinterpreted WITHOUT bringing up the argument of a conspiracy? If you can manage that of course...
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Re: Orbital & Micro-G Video - No Conspiracies Here (Don't Be A Bishop)
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2009, 03:41:19 AM »
Quote from: 3 Tesla on June 18, 2009, 09:44:37 AM
Isn't it incredibly hard to ban people in a virtual world like this?

"Skeptek" says:

"Any chance I could get you to tell folks that I've been banned for a week?"

Date:  Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:58:31 -0400

Done.
 
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Re: Orbital & Micro-G Video - No Conspiracies Here (Don't Be A Bishop)
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2009, 03:44:46 AM »
Are The B.B.C. part of "The Conspiracy"?

(He said, expecting the answer 'yes'.)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8110001.stm
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Re: Orbital & Micro-G Video - No Conspiracies Here (Don't Be A Bishop)
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2009, 03:46:28 AM »
Skeptek was banned!? WTF What for? I just posted in the forum concerns thread, hopefully I'll get an answer...
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Re: Orbital & Micro-G Video - No Conspiracies Here (Don't Be A Bishop)
« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2009, 04:59:51 AM »
I smell Nazis.
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Re: Orbital & Micro-G Video - No Conspiracies Here (Don't Be A Bishop)
« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2009, 05:53:13 AM »
Quote from: Skeptek on June 18, 2009, 09:15:41 AM
Using the TGC ("Talisman of the Grand Conspiracy") or any other completely unscientific argument is worthless and admitting complete failure.  The very use of the word as an argument invalidates one's entire position.

I have linked here, evidence known to and accepted by the masses, that sustained orbit is commonplace.  I challenge anyone to disprove all of this evidence.  Disprove does not mean "cast doubt" or "suggest imperfection" or "show as questionable to some."  It means to show beyond all doubt that this evidence is not just mistaken or misinterpreted, but actually FAKED.

NASA TV.

Video of Earth from orbit.

To be clear, the challenge is:
Prove beyond all doubt that every video of Earth from orbit, and long-term Micro-G activity, has actually been faked and not just misinterpreted.

If Tom Bishop comes in here and says "photographic evidence is not admissible in this form", I think I might pee myself.  I might laugh some too.
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Re: Orbital & Micro-G Video - No Conspiracies Here (Don't Be A Bishop)
« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2009, 12:25:57 PM »
The answer to the OP is simple. These videos cannot be proved fake becouse they are not fake.
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Re: Orbital & Micro-G Video - No Conspiracies Here (Don't Be A Bishop)
« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2009, 12:27:58 PM »
That's sort of the message Skeptek was trying to pass...
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Re: Orbital & Micro-G Video - No Conspiracies Here (Don't Be A Bishop)
« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2009, 12:44:17 PM »
Meh, an IP banked user could just go to proxy.org and use one of the 15 000 or so proxies avalible. You can technically never really ban someone for good...
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Re: Orbital & Micro-G Video - No Conspiracies Here (Don't Be A Bishop)
« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2009, 12:54:58 PM »
No, but you can try to make it more effort than it's worth.
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Re: Orbital & Micro-G Video - No Conspiracies Here (Don't Be A Bishop)
« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2009, 12:57:09 PM »
True that. Anyways sorry for going off-topic. Let's go back to the original purpose of this thread.
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Re: Orbital & Micro-G Video - No Conspiracies Here (Don't Be A Bishop)
« Reply #22 on: June 21, 2009, 02:52:36 PM »
Quote from: Skeptik on June 21, 2009, 12:44:17 PM
Meh, an IP banked user could just go to proxy.org and use one of the 15 000 or so proxies avalible. You can technically never really ban someone for good...

There are more ways than IP bans.
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Re: Orbital & Micro-G Video - No Conspiracies Here (Don't Be A Bishop)
« Reply #23 on: June 21, 2009, 05:06:18 PM »
Quote from: lexotan on June 21, 2009, 12:25:57 PM
The answer to the OP is simple. These videos cannot be proved fake becouse they are not fake.

Do you have any proof that they are not fake?
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Re: Orbital & Micro-G Video - No Conspiracies Here (Don't Be A Bishop)
« Reply #24 on: June 21, 2009, 06:14:19 PM »
Quote from: Robosteve on June 21, 2009, 05:06:18 PM
Quote from: lexotan on June 21, 2009, 12:25:57 PM
The answer to the OP is simple. These videos cannot be proved fake becouse they are not fake.

Do you have any proof that they are not fake?

How is he supposed to prove a negative?
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Re: Orbital & Micro-G Video - No Conspiracies Here (Don't Be A Bishop)
« Reply #25 on: June 21, 2009, 06:17:24 PM »
Quote from: markjo on June 21, 2009, 06:14:19 PM
How is he supposed to prove a negative?

It's not a negative. He made the claim:

Quote from: lexotan on June 21, 2009, 12:25:57 PM
they are not fake.

I expect him to provide supporting evidence, or admit that it is just speculation.
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Re: Orbital & Micro-G Video - No Conspiracies Here (Don't Be A Bishop)
« Reply #26 on: June 21, 2009, 06:29:48 PM »
Quote from: Raist on June 21, 2009, 02:52:36 PM
Quote from: Skeptik on June 21, 2009, 12:44:17 PM
Meh, an IP banked user could just go to proxy.org and use one of the 15 000 or so proxies avalible. You can technically never really ban someone for good...

There are more ways than IP bans.
Proxy servers...
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Re: Orbital & Micro-G Video - No Conspiracies Here (Don't Be A Bishop)
« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2009, 06:46:11 PM »
Quote from: Nemiades on June 21, 2009, 06:29:48 PM
Quote from: Raist on June 21, 2009, 02:52:36 PM
Quote from: Skeptik on June 21, 2009, 12:44:17 PM
Meh, an IP banked user could just go to proxy.org and use one of the 15 000 or so proxies avalible. You can technically never really ban someone for good...

There are more ways than IP bans.
Proxy servers...

I said there are other ways to ban people than by their IP.
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Re: Orbital & Micro-G Video - No Conspiracies Here (Don't Be A Bishop)
« Reply #28 on: June 21, 2009, 07:08:37 PM »
Quote from: Raist on June 21, 2009, 06:46:11 PM
Quote from: Nemiades on June 21, 2009, 06:29:48 PM
Quote from: Raist on June 21, 2009, 02:52:36 PM
Quote from: Skeptik on June 21, 2009, 12:44:17 PM
Meh, an IP banked user could just go to proxy.org and use one of the 15 000 or so proxies avalible. You can technically never really ban someone for good...

There are more ways than IP bans.
Proxy servers...

I said there are other ways to ban people than by their IP.
ISP, e-mail and username.. what else? I've been a mod on pretty many large forums and I'm quite confident that there arent any other ways to ban that someone with your intelligence could ban with.
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Re: Orbital & Micro-G Video - No Conspiracies Here (Don't Be A Bishop)
« Reply #29 on: June 21, 2009, 07:50:33 PM »
Quote from: Robosteve on June 21, 2009, 06:17:24 PM
Quote from: markjo on June 21, 2009, 06:14:19 PM
How is he supposed to prove a negative?

It's not a negative. He made the claim:

Quote from: Robosteve on June 21, 2009, 05:06:18 PM
Do you have any proof that they are not fake?

Looks like a negative to me.  Perhaps you should have said something like "Do you have any proof that they are real?".
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