Why do you think the Earth is round?

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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #270 on: September 23, 2009, 10:39:32 AM »
You were talking about planes too. I saw you. Don't make me have to post quotes.

Oh, so I did. I stand corrected. In my defense, it is nearly four o'clock in the morning and I'm not properly remembering everything that I've typed.
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #271 on: September 23, 2009, 10:47:52 AM »
When you are moving up, it's 2g, tyvm

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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #272 on: September 23, 2009, 10:50:07 AM »
When you are moving up, it's 2g, tyvm

Would you mind giving this statement some sort of context? I gave six replies to your last post, and this doesn't seem to sensibly apply to any one of them.
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #273 on: September 23, 2009, 10:54:38 AM »
1.I think you are messing up 'rest' and movement with 'relitive speeds'...
If you send a lightbeam to a place 300.000 km further then here, it will take 1 second to get there
that means light goes at a movement of 300.000km/s
The acceleration (acceleration isn't relative), is 9.81m/s?
so therefor t = v/a
t = (300.000hm/s) / (9,81m/s?)

and then you come to 340 and a bit days
sure speed can be seen relative, but an endless acceleration isn't relative and that's it

You need to be very careful when applying the equation v = u + at in relativistic situations. Neither acceleration nor time is constant for all observers, and you are attempting to use the acceleration as measured on Earth to calculate elapsed time for an inertial observer. In other words, you are applying classical mechanics to a relativistic problem. The problem is not Flat Earth Theory, but your misapplication of that equation.
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ok.. light speed measured on earth: 300.000 km/s
when they tried to bring atoms to that speed, they grew in masses
right, ok?.

2. basic physics would be a good start for you

Perhaps you should let my second year electrodynamics lecturer know that I'm in the wrong course, then.
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you got that grade and still think the earth is flat? oh well
How can you have believed all that if you think the basics in it are wrong?

3. seeing that he has a daily blog with pictures, i can quite follow him

if you want to be certain that your earth is flat, then take a boat and sail from america to the west, guess what? you'll reach land! (and it's not made of ice)

Please read the FAQ. Such a journey is perfectly compatible with Flat Earth Theory.
Not when going in a straight line.

1. you are only at 'zero-g' when the plane goes down again

Uh, no, you can experience weightlessness when the plane is going up as long as you are following a parabolic path (relative to the Earth; you'd actually be travelling in a straight line according to an inertial observer).
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uh, no, you are under a force of 2g (there goes your upwards acceleration AGAIN) when going up and you are at 0g when going down



3. plane going down, earth going up, so it certainly isn't infinite

o yes, note to you, sure parabolas are infinite, at least they are on graphics
but i'm QUITE sure that you'll reach the ground after a while :)

I'm aware of that. My point was that the only limiting factor is the energy of the craft, and not the parabolic trajectory itself.
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And that energy is quite limited to be honest

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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #274 on: September 23, 2009, 10:59:37 AM »
ok.. light speed measured on earth: 300.000 km/s
when they tried to bring atoms to that speed, they grew in masses
right, ok?.

As observed by the scientists watching them, yes.

you got that grade and still think the earth is flat? oh well
How can you have believed all that if you think the basics in it are wrong?

Where did I say that I believe the basics are wrong?

Not when going in a straight line.

It doesn't work in a straight line in RET, either.

uh, no, you are under a force of 2g (there goes your upwards acceleration AGAIN) when going up and you are at 0g when going down

As long as the parabola is curving downwards, you can still be moving upwards and feel weightlessness. You are thinking of a parabola with upward concavity, which is very different.

And that energy is quite limited to be honest

It is. Can you show that it is so limited that you could not possibly make a two-and-a-half minute video while on a parabolic trajectory?
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #275 on: September 23, 2009, 11:00:25 AM »
Parabolas are infinite in length. Therefore, if the Earth is flat and infinite, the only limit on the amount of time a craft can spend in a parabolic trajectory in a vacuum and still come back down to Earth is its initial kinetic energy.

If the earth is flat and infinite, then it's possible to take many parabolic trajectories. Just like in the RE. So lets throw that one out as irrelevant.

It's initial kinetic energy has a lot to do with it, as do flight ceilings and floors for the planes.

If you want a longer zero g flight then you need more energy and more ceiling.

Given that some of those ISS videos are several minutes long (uncut), and given that there is no known technology (let's not get into what the conspiracy has huh?) that could produce a parabolic trajectory for this time, it's pretty hard for you to work any kind of defence here.

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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #276 on: September 23, 2009, 11:08:10 AM »
ok.. light speed measured on earth: 300.000 km/s
when they tried to bring atoms to that speed, they grew in masses
right, ok?.

As observed by the scientists watching them, yes.

you got that grade and still think the earth is flat? oh well
How can you have believed all that if you think the basics in it are wrong?

Where did I say that I believe the basics are wrong?

Not when going in a straight line.

It doesn't work in a straight line in RET, either.

And that energy is quite limited to be honest

It is. Can you show that it is so limited that you could not possibly make a two-and-a-half minute video while on a parabolic trajectory?

read everything, ok
you got height H, which is about 12.000m, if you go higher, your engins will freeze.

your parabole goes from 0->12.000m, then it goes down in freefall, for safety, let's take 11500m
6000m in freefall takes: (quick calculation):
h = a.t?/2
sqrt( 23000/9,81) = t (in seconds)
48.4s = t

even there it's still not over the minute
0g in parabolic flights only take 15-20 second if i'm not mistake,


so those video's longer then 2 minutes must be taken in space


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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #277 on: September 24, 2009, 07:39:20 PM »
It is the mysterious that drives us - where do we go when we die?  How big is the Earth?  How deep is it?  If you dig down deep enough, do you come out on the other side?  Are we alone?

We still do not know what electricity is - albeit we know how to use it (the motor).

Some people believe the Earth is hollow, some people believe visitors from other worlds frequent the world.

As long as we wonder and seek truth, light shall prevail.

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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #278 on: September 24, 2009, 09:44:37 PM »
some people believe visitors from other worlds frequent the world.


That's because 14% of humans have seen UFOs/aliens. 0% of humans have seen a flat Earth.
Quote from: Tom Bishop
Oh, for God's sake... ::)
Look out your window.
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http://i33.tinypic.com/350t5s8.jpg

Is this supposed to prove something here?
Quote from: Tom Bishop
Looks pretty flat to me.

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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #279 on: September 25, 2009, 07:30:59 AM »
It is the mysterious that drives us - where do we go when we die?  How big is the Earth?  How deep is it?  If you dig down deep enough, do you come out on the other side?  Are we alone?

We still do not know what electricity is - albeit we know how to use it (the motor).

Some people believe the Earth is hollow, some people believe visitors from other worlds frequent the world.

As long as we wonder and seek truth, light shall prevail.

when you die, it's the same before you were born: nothing
how big is the earth?    1.0832073 ? 10^12 km3
how deep is it? that's 2 times the radius:    12 756,274 km
If you dig down deep enough, do you come out on the other side? nop, you'll melt from the heat
Are we alone? probably not
We still do not know what electricity is: electricity are the electrons of the atoms moving in the oposit direction of the powerligne
electrons are little masses of pure energy
Some people believe the Earth is hollow: not true


As long as we wonder and seek truth, light shall prevail.: true

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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #280 on: September 25, 2009, 08:21:45 AM »
We still do not know what electricity is: electricity are the electrons of the atoms moving in the oposit direction of the powerligne

Not always.

electrons are little masses of pure energy

What does this even mean? If you mean that electrons have mass and energy, then congratulations Einstein, you've identified two of their three most basic properties. Also, it doesn't make sense to talk about something as being "pure energy", because it implies that you can somehow obtain impure energy.

Some people believe the Earth is hollow: not true

How do you know? Have you asked everybody in the world whether or not they believe the Earth to be hollow?
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #281 on: September 25, 2009, 11:27:39 AM »
What does this even mean? If you mean that electrons have mass and energy, then congratulations Einstein, you've identified two of their three most basic properties. Also, it doesn't make sense to talk about something as being "pure energy", because it implies that you can somehow obtain impure energy.

Instead of mocking and fixing syntax you could use that incredible intellect of yours to help people out.

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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #282 on: September 25, 2009, 11:43:44 AM »
I carried out the canal experiment and it showed there to be a curve.

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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #283 on: September 25, 2009, 11:52:00 AM »
What does this even mean? If you mean that electrons have mass and energy, then congratulations Einstein, you've identified two of their three most basic properties. Also, it doesn't make sense to talk about something as being "pure energy", because it implies that you can somehow obtain impure energy.

Instead of mocking and fixing syntax you could use that incredible intellect of yours to help people out.

I'm not going to help people out who act like they know it all. And anyway, I am sincerely interested to know what he meant by "electrons are little masses of pure energy", because it doesn't seem to say a great deal.
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #284 on: September 25, 2009, 11:54:57 AM »

I'm not going to help people out who act like they know it all.

You, me, pot, kettle, etc.
Gayer doesn't live in an atmosphere of vaporised mustard like you appear to, based on your latest photo.

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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #285 on: September 25, 2009, 11:59:59 AM »
I'm not going to help people out who act like they know it all. And anyway, I am sincerely interested to know what he meant by "electrons are little masses of pure energy", because it doesn't seem to say a great deal.

You already know quite a bit (I hope) about the nature of electrons.

Why don't you tell him what you know instead of bating?

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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #286 on: September 25, 2009, 12:01:27 PM »
You already know quite a bit (I hope) about the nature of electrons.

Why don't you tell him what you know instead of bating?

Because he didn't ask.

I'm still curious to know what he meant by "electrons are little masses of pure energy". There's a chance he knows more than he seems to and just didn't phrase it very well.
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #287 on: September 25, 2009, 12:03:37 PM »
You already know quite a bit (I hope) about the nature of electrons.

Why don't you tell him what you know instead of bating?

Because he didn't ask.

That doesn't mean you shouldn't volunteer information. This isn't the 5th grade. If you know something spit it out.

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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #288 on: September 25, 2009, 12:05:16 PM »
That doesn't mean you shouldn't volunteer information. This isn't the 5th grade. If you know something spit it out.

So I'm supposed to type out everything I know about electrons because somebody posts a sentence with the word "electron" in it that doesn't make any sense?
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #289 on: September 25, 2009, 12:13:21 PM »
That doesn't mean you shouldn't volunteer information. This isn't the 5th grade. If you know something spit it out.

So I'm supposed to type out everything I know about electrons because somebody posts a sentence with the word "electron" in it that doesn't make any sense?

Not everything. Just a brief summary of what you do know with regards to electrons, mass and energy. If you can make the effort to type out a dismissal then you can also give us a little peek into that brilliant mind.

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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #290 on: September 25, 2009, 12:14:15 PM »
Not everything. Just a brief summary of what you do know with regards to electrons, mass and energy. If you can make the effort to type out a dismissal then you can also give us a little peek into that brilliant mind.

Electrons have mass and they also have energy. Better?
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #291 on: September 25, 2009, 12:19:47 PM »
Electrons have mass and they also have energy. Better?

Not particularly. I was hoping for something more from someone who chided another poster for making largely the same (although badly worded) observation.

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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #292 on: September 25, 2009, 12:23:51 PM »
Not particularly. I was hoping for something more from someone who chided another poster for making largely the same (although badly worded) observation.

Then you will be disappointed. Unless you ask a more specific question, I cannot help you.
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #293 on: September 25, 2009, 12:29:39 PM »
Not particularly. I was hoping for something more from someone who chided another poster for making largely the same (although badly worded) observation.

Then you will be disappointed. Unless you ask a more specific question, I cannot help you.

Oh well. It's just that, well you know, that kind of posting makes you look like a finger pointer, that's all. You can only highlight the deficiencies without promoting anything over and above the original mistake.

Oh well.

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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #294 on: September 25, 2009, 12:31:35 PM »
Oh well. It's just that, well you know, that kind of posting makes you look like a finger pointer, that's all. You can only highlight the deficiencies without promoting anything over and above the original mistake.

I can't know if there was a mistake until I know what he intended to say.
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #295 on: September 25, 2009, 12:33:56 PM »
I can't know if there was a mistake until I know what he intended to say.

You don't need to know if there's a mistake. Just tell us what you know about the subject. It makes reading posts interesting. Kind of like "oh he's really moved this debate forward with this post". See?

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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #296 on: September 25, 2009, 12:38:34 PM »
You don't need to know if there's a mistake. Just tell us what you know about the subject. It makes reading posts interesting. Kind of like "oh he's really moved this debate forward with this post". See?

I wasn't aware there was any sort of debate going on in this thread.
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #297 on: September 25, 2009, 03:09:38 PM »
I wasn't aware there was any sort of debate going on in this thread.

Without further details I can only score this up as some kind of myopia.

Until it's fixed I suggest you refrain from posting further.

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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #298 on: September 25, 2009, 06:27:23 PM »
Primarily, because that's what I was taught,
and arguing about being a sheep is non-sequiter,
the government teaches us that cancer kills people, yes?

and every bit of literature and personal experience
has backed up this claim. such as gravity, magnetic field of
the earth, flight paths, seasons, etc.

BUT all of this can be and of course has been refuted by the FET.
And most of your arguments are at least possible due to the fact that
locally a sphere resembles a disk, so FET will make sense as long as
numerical evidence is not shown.

The point where I see FET break down is in the fundamental differences
between a sphere and a disk. This difference lies not in the properties of
geology and astronomy, but in topology: all of the vectors normal (perpendicular) to a disk are
parallel and all of the vectors normal to a sphere are radial. therefore, you can prove the normal
vectors to be non perpendicular, you can show that the earth is a sphere.

you can show this, by computing surface integrals, or surface vectors, because the cross-product of which
will give you the normal vector. now, according to FET, these normal vectors should be identical, so therefore
arbitrary surface integrals should be the same.

but they are not equal at all, as you cannot see america from Everest.

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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #299 on: September 26, 2009, 10:50:53 AM »
We still do not know what electricity is: electricity are the electrons of the atoms moving in the oposit direction of the powerligne

1.Not always.

electrons are little masses of pure energy

2. What does this even mean? If you mean that electrons have mass and energy, then congratulations Einstein, you've identified two of their three most basic properties. Also, it doesn't make sense to talk about something as being "pure energy", because it implies that you can somehow obtain impure energy.

Some people believe the Earth is hollow: not true

3. How do you know? Have you asked everybody in the world whether or not they believe the Earth to be hollow?

1. ok, when not (could be that i'm wrong, but so far i know, i haven't met an other situation)
2. ok: an article is one of the smallest elementary particles, it has a negative charge and as far as we know, it doesn't exist out of anything 'smaller' (or however you say it in english)
or:

An electron is a subatomic particle that carries a negative electric charge. It has no known substructure and is believed to be a point particle.[2] An electron has a mass that is approximately 1836 times less than that of the proton.[8] The intrinsic angular momentum (spin) of the electron is a half integer value of 1/2, which means that it is a fermion. The anti-particle of the electron is called the positron, which is identical to the electron except that it carries electrical and other charges of the opposite sign. When an electron collides with a positron, they annihilate, producing a pair (or more) of gamma ray photons. Electrons, which belong to the first generation of the lepton particle family,[9] participate in gravitational, electromagnetic and weak interactions.[10] Electrons have quantum mechanical properties of both a particle and a wave, so they can collide with other particles and be diffracted like light. Since an electron is a fermion, no two electrons can occupy the same quantum state, a property known as the Pauli exclusion principle.[9]

The concept of an indivisible amount of electric charge was theorized to explain the chemical properties of atoms, beginning in 1838 by British natural philosopher Richard Laming;[4] the name electron was introduced for this charge in 1894 by Irish physicist George Johnstone Stoney. The electron was identified as a particle in 1897 by J. J. Thomson and his team of British physicists.[6][11]

In many physical phenomena, such as electricity, magnetism, and thermal conductivity, electrons play an essential role. An electron generates a magnetic field while moving, and it is deflected by external magnetic fields. When an electron is accelerated, it can absorb or radiate energy in the form of photons. Electrons, together with atomic nuclei made of protons and neutrons, make up atoms. However, electrons contribute less than 0.06% to an atom's total mass. The attractive Coulomb force between an electron and a proton causes electrons to be bound into atoms. The exchange or sharing of the electrons between two or more atoms is the main cause of chemical bonding.[12]

According to theory, most of the electrons in the universe were created in the big bang, but may also be created through beta decay of Radioactive isotopes and in high-energy collisions, for instance, when cosmic rays enter the atmosphere. Electrons may be destroyed through annihilation with positrons, or may be absorbed during nucleosynthesis in stars. Laboratory instruments are capable of containing and observing individual electrons as well as electron plasma, whereas dedicated telescopes can detect electron plasma in the outer space. Electrons have many applications, including welding, cathode ray tubes, electron microscopes, radiation therapy, lasers and particle accelerators.

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3. dude, honestly, i mean that the earth isn't hollow...