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Why do you think the Earth is round?

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Skeptik

Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #210 on: July 30, 2009, 08:42:26 AM »
Yes, nobody cared to respond to this, to nobody's suprise.
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #211 on: July 30, 2009, 02:42:20 PM »
Quote from: Abysmal on July 29, 2009, 11:48:00 PM
the RET makes a lot more sense and is way more understandable. It's all physics you can observe for yourself.
Lets take a real life example:
Son: What causes a solar eclipse?
Dad: Well, the moon moves in front of the sun.
OR
Son: What causes a solar eclipse?
Dad: Well, theres an antimoon up there, like a shadow object, and blocks the sun's spotlight, etc.

It's easy to see when the sun goes down- it's not a 'spotlight' ball that gradually moves away until it disappears, it's clearly disappearing below the horizon because the earth is moving around the sun and it's a globe.  ::)
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #212 on: July 31, 2009, 11:15:52 AM »
It makes more sense to me to believe that the earth is a globe. I have seen more proof that we live on a globe than on a flat plane- if I were to see irrefutable proof that the earth was flat, I would renounce my indoctrinated RE ways. I have yet to see any.
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #213 on: August 02, 2009, 10:25:16 AM »
Quote from: JTF on July 31, 2009, 11:15:52 AM
It makes more sense to me to believe that the earth is a globe. I have seen more proof that we live on a globe than on a flat plane- if I were to see irrefutable proof that the earth was flat, I would renounce my indoctrinated RE ways. I have yet to see any.
There isn't really any need for irrefutable proof. Some may consider looking in FET if there is just some logical explanations for things and you can use current science, not develop new science every time you want to explain phenomenon.
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #214 on: August 03, 2009, 08:59:59 AM »
the fact that make me laugh all the time, is that they claim we have no proof that the earth is round. There are tons of pictures, videos, space missions that prove this. But dunno why this proofs are not valid. They have no proof at all for anything they claim, but they are right for some reason that my poor mind cannot reach.
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Skeptik

Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #215 on: August 03, 2009, 02:58:36 PM »
Quote from: SSSavio on August 03, 2009, 08:59:59 AM
the fact that make me laugh all the time, is that they claim we have no proof that the earth is round. There are tons of pictures, videos, space missions that prove this. But dunno why this proofs are not valid. They have no proof at all for anything they claim, but they are right for some reason that my poor mind cannot reach.

That's because FEer already know that the Earth is round, but they like argueing that it's flat. So they spend more time trying to say that whatever proof we have isn't valid, rather than trying to find proof that the Earth is flat. Why? Because they already know it's round.
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #216 on: August 04, 2009, 08:28:44 PM »
That was a very convincing point.
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Skeptik

Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #217 on: August 05, 2009, 10:19:33 PM »
Quote from: Eddy Baby on August 05, 2009, 03:54:32 PM
It didn't convince me.

That's because your're one of those people, but you don't want to admit it - even to yourself.
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #218 on: August 05, 2009, 11:56:51 PM »
Let's pretend I could buy that all astronomers for the last hundred years have forgotten to do their homework. In other words, appealing to their authority is meaningless because for all I know they're just repeating what someone else told them without even bothering to check the results. Even then, the so-called conspiracy is just too much. It would take too many people, there are too many photos and too much film and video, it's supposedly been going on for too long, and it's all too perfect for creatures as flawed as humans to even dream of pulling off successfully.
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #219 on: August 06, 2009, 12:38:18 AM »
I was talking about the big spammy post that got deleted.

It was a joke.
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Squat

Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #220 on: August 09, 2009, 12:45:04 AM »
Because the maps work!
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Rational U.S. Viking

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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #221 on: August 09, 2009, 01:50:54 PM »
Quote from: Squat on August 09, 2009, 12:45:04 AM
Because the maps work!

Yes!  It is for sure that no professional surveyor or geodicist involved surveying and mapping out large tracts of land has any doubt whatsoever that the earth is round.  Many thousands of such professionals confront that undeniable fact every single day they are engaged in their work.  They know better than anybody that failure to acknowledge and take into account the roundness of the earth invariably leads to unacceptably large errors, especially when surveying large geographic regions.  I guarantee that if those FE'ers who claim to have "proved" the flatness of the earth by conducting their own experiments did those experiments in the presence of one of these professionals, said professionals would very quickly discover and point out glaring flaws in their methodology or conclusions or both.  Someone else (I forgot who, it might even have been you) posted a very interesting and informative link to a book that explains geodesy and how it proves beyond reasonable doubt that the earth is, in fact, round.  Here is that link again for anyone who is interested.
http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/PUBS_LIB/Geodesy4Layman/toc.htm.
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #222 on: August 09, 2009, 01:57:00 PM »
I went to America 6 weeks ago, in an aircraft traveling a good few miles up, and i never saw no ice wall or a continuation of the horizon into what looked an ice wall.
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #223 on: August 09, 2009, 02:00:43 PM »
Quote from: Yousmokecrackz on August 09, 2009, 01:57:00 PM
I went to America 6 weeks ago, in an aircraft traveling a good few miles up, and i never saw no ice wall or a continuation of the horizon into what looked an ice wall.


Nobody has seen the ice wall, yet FE'rs still believe in its existence.
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #224 on: August 09, 2009, 02:03:14 PM »
You mean like God?
Only there is more evidence that God exists.
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #225 on: August 09, 2009, 02:56:19 PM »
Quote from: Squat on August 09, 2009, 12:45:04 AM
Because the maps work!

Because I've seen pictures, and this loony conspiracy theory involves too many people to keep quiet.

Because I've flown in a plane

Because I'm educated

Because I've seen a lunar eclipse.

I understand that the foundation for the entire FET is that Rowbotham and Lady Blount performed the Bedford Level and got Flat earth results, while since then people who have performed it have gotten round earth results.

Every scientist in the world who is qualified to make judgments on the shape of the world, believes it is round. I don't believe they are ALL in on the conspiracy. 

I've seen a ship sink below the horizon (no, it is not some silly perspective law designed solely to explain away the phenomena)
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #226 on: August 09, 2009, 05:26:26 PM »
Quote from: Robosteve on June 16, 2009, 11:54:04 PM
Quote from: dyno on June 16, 2009, 11:49:17 PM
It's not simply a matter of being taught. You purport to be undergoing a teritary physics course and hence you should be aware that much of your education is solo research. Have I taken my chemistry and tried to perform physics experiements? Yes. Additionally my chemistry is sound enough to know when FE's theories are filled with nonsense.

In case you need your memory refreshed I replicated an experiment to restore a ship's hull using a telescope. This agrees 100% with the physics I had learned and disagreed 100% with the FE literature.

Is this your more complete answer, then?

Quote from: dyno on June 16, 2009, 11:49:17 PM
What have you done?

I once broke my leg after jumping off a rock into a swimming pool (I didn't jump far enough and my leg hit the side). This is clear evidence that the Earth gained enough momentum while I was not in contact with it to fracture solid bone.

Or that force times mass equals acceleration. I mean, it's not like we have tools to measure that...oh wait we do. Also, by your logic I propose that there is a great conspiracy regarding tungsten light bulbs. See, they frost over the bulb so you can't see the Dark Suckers. Dark Suckers are small fairies that rather than emit light, suck darkness up until they eventually die of old age with a load "pop" sound. Also, they're invisible when not activated by Electro Gnomes, the tiny gnomes who live in your wall socket, so if you break open a bulb you'll just see what "appears" to be bits of tungsten.

DON'T BELIEVE THE LIE
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #227 on: August 10, 2009, 07:36:19 AM »
Just thought some people would be interested to know that the earth is in fact an oblate sphereoid, ie it is slightly flattened at the top and bottom. Oh and btw anyone who has ever read aristotle, plato or socretes will know that people have always known the eath to be spherical, all the way back to the ancient Greeks and Persians.
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #228 on: August 10, 2009, 07:38:43 AM »
Quote from: Kharn on August 10, 2009, 07:36:19 AM
Just thought some people would be interested to know that the earth is in fact an oblate sphereoid, ie it is slightly flattened at the top and bottom. Oh and btw abyone who has ever read aristotle, plato or socretes will know that people have always known the eath to be spherical, all the way back to the ancient Greeks and Persians.

Yup, that's why navigation tools have worked for so long. All of the accurate ones account for the curvature/size of the earth. So unless it's a coincidence that they are accurate enough to prevent accidental crashes into the "ice wall", a quick analysis shows in favor of round earth, again.
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #229 on: August 11, 2009, 05:02:15 AM »
I was into astronomy from an early age. I spent many nights as a teenager at the local observatory. It was an old telescope, but we had a heater, a toaster, and enough warm soup to keep the cold away.
Looking for comets. Looking for moons. logging stars etc etc. Youthful enthusiasm for knowledge. Inspiring mentors.
I was amazed as the results from skylab filtered back. Here we were with these incredible observations of an ordinary star.
 The Sun.
That got me interested in astrophysics and studying the inner workings of the massive fusion reactor (the sun). To be honest the maths was pretty hard.
I also worked for a telecommunications company with satellites for a while.
I never believed the the earth was round anymore than I believed the sun was warm, or water was wet.
It is a fact I have been dealing with my entire life. If it was not a fact, I would have noticed.

Just By the way, I was not going to say so, but the Flat Earthers who deny satellites existing are insulting to the incredibly hard work and creative thinking of hundreds of thousands of people, that has produced the greatest achievement by the human race (the space programs).
If you truly believe the space programs are a conspiracy, you are insane, or at least clinically paranoid.
You also have a fundamentally limited imagination.

Let me know how your shoehorning a new theory of squishy light and wonky bullshit directly contradicts less than 5 laws of nature and I'll come back and laugh at you some more.

Two silver bullets that FErs have no comeback for .....
1) Parralax (the method not Rowbotham)
2) The work of La Condamine (look him up)

Thanks for listening   :)
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #230 on: August 11, 2009, 05:13:57 AM »
Quote from: oscarg on August 11, 2009, 05:02:15 AM
2) The work of La Condamine (look him up)
Why is a La Condamine special? FE throws to the trash bin all the cartographers and surveyors work starting from middle-ages where they started using triangulation and calculating circumference of the earth. Willebrord Snell, Jean Picard, Cassini family, Jean Joseph Tranchot, Karl von M?ffling, Carl Friedrich Gauss, Friedrich Georg Wilhelm von Struve and many more.
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Rowbotham had bad eyesight
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #231 on: August 11, 2009, 05:33:42 AM »
Quote from: zork on August 11, 2009, 05:13:57 AM
Quote from: oscarg on August 11, 2009, 05:02:15 AM
2) The work of La Condamine (look him up)
Why is a La Condamine special? FE throws to the trash bin all the cartographers and surveyors work starting from middle-ages where they started using triangulation and calculating circumference of the earth. Willebrord Snell, Jean Picard, Cassini family, Jean Joseph Tranchot, Karl von M?ffling, Carl Friedrich Gauss, Friedrich Georg Wilhelm von Struve and many more.
You are quite right.
All those people you have mentioned (I don't actually know them all - but shall now *AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHY THIS IS A REALLY COOL SITE *).

Quick intro of Charles Marie La Condamine (not particularly better than many others, but brilliant, lucky and in the right place at the right time. Went from France to Ecuador on an amazing 8 year journey.
The task was to measure the length of a degree of latitude at the equator (via triangulation - HUGE task), and prove the shape of the earth (a degree of lattitude at the equator is longer than one in France and therefore the earth is not a perfect sphere, but shaped more like a grapefruit (queue the out of context bleating by FEers).
Along the way he discovered (for Europe) rubber (thats a biggie)
also quinine (at least how to get proper red quinine) the number of lives he saved with this is huge.
He also worked on the standardisation of metrics, and the definition of a metre (probably his most influential work).

Two of his compatriates died horrible deaths along the way.

But you are right - he fades into a sea of talented hard working humans who have step by tiny step led us to the brilliant tapestry of understanding we have of the universe today.
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #232 on: August 13, 2009, 02:25:22 AM »
Robosteve, when you asked RE'ers to tell you why they believe the earth is round, did you mean to include the RE'ers on this forum who are "devil's advocates" and only pretending to believe the earth is flat for the sake of carrying on the debate?  I would like to hear why the fake FE'ers on this board actually believe the earth is round, and why, despite their true convictions, they reinforce what they must surely regard as the real FE'ers delusional convictions by arguing in favor of FET.
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #233 on: August 13, 2009, 09:30:58 AM »
I've sailed the seven seas(not literally) and never seen an ice wall, been this way and that way, and in no way, sense or form, does my logic tell me that it could be a flat surface.

Too many questions unanswered and too many variables that don't fit.
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #234 on: September 21, 2009, 10:03:10 AM »
Because a flat distance across the US would be smaller than the curved RE distance actually is, unless you plan on adding land.

Actually, I can't truthfully say that, since there isn't a FE map.


Because I plan on launching a weatherballoon and making a video of the nearly 20 mile up flight and descent. It doesn't matter if FEers see curvature, anyway, because they'll say "bendy light" or "photoshop". Or the "conspiracy" is hacking their brain, Ghost in the Shell style.
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #235 on: September 21, 2009, 12:33:18 PM »
Has anyone here personally been to space and has been in orbit around the earth? I have. Here's a photo of the earth, taken from the moon in the 60's. And you still believe the earth is flat? This is disrespectful and archaic that this page exists.

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/earth-1.jpg
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #236 on: September 21, 2009, 12:41:18 PM »
I don't think it. I know it! Booyaa!! /hi5
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #237 on: September 22, 2009, 07:39:58 AM »
Quote from: sxnrxnrr on September 21, 2009, 12:33:18 PM
Has anyone here personally been to space and has been in orbit around the earth? I have. Here's a photo of the earth, taken from the moon in the 60's. And you still believe the earth is flat? This is disrespectful and archaic that this page exists.

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/earth-1.jpg
Welcome to FES. Expect to be banned for "being part of the conspiracy".

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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #238 on: September 22, 2009, 09:07:46 AM »
Quote from: sxnrxnrr on September 21, 2009, 12:33:18 PM
Has anyone here personally been to space and has been in orbit around the earth? I have. Here's a photo of the earth, taken from the moon in the 60's. And you still believe the earth is flat? This is disrespectful and archaic that this page exists.

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/earth-1.jpg

What's disrespectful is you not honouring our freedom of speech.
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #239 on: September 22, 2009, 02:39:43 PM »
I trust that the scientific community on a whole is honest and are performing real experiments with results I can trust. When I'm told NASA sent astronauts into space and they photographed the Earth, or that we've developed satellites and use them for cellphones and GPS, or that all objects attract each other, I assume that honest scientists have tested this and been satisfied by the results.

I'm in this forum because I feel that if I blindly accept the world is round because people I accept as authorities tell me it is, then I'm not using my brain any more than a Creationist. I want to challenge my belief that the Earth is round by seriously considering alternatives.
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If I believed the Earth was round just because the authorities tell me it is, I'm using no more of my brain than a Creationist.
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