About that "150 foot wall of ice"...

Why hasn't anyone ever climbed over this little wall and viewed the edge?

Have you ever climbed a 150 wall in sub-zero conditions while being sniped?

Quote from: Johannes Kepler on June 12, 2009, 04:25:58 PM

Have you ever climbed a 150 wall in sub-zero conditions while being sniped?

What evidence do you have of there being snipers at this "ice wall?"

REALLY?!  Not permitted?  You must be joking.

They must have been all killed by the killer Nazi penguin sentries!

even if someone had a picture of themselves with an ice wall sniper on the top of the "gigantic wall of ice no one has noticed yet", the Fe'ers wouldn't accept it.

Acutually, neither would I, because the earth is round.

Ok.  So, one post from an FE'er in this entire thread, and the only answer once again is to invoke the TGC ("Talisman of the Grand Conspiracy") by way of the "snipers" on the ice wall.

A handful of Flat Earth proponents say that Antarctica is a huge continent which encircles the "edge" of a Flat Earth.

And to back this up they have ...

Done bugger all.

So who are you going to believe, eh?

Editted for effect.

"Voliva maintains that there is no South Pole, and that it is 60,000 miles around the southern ice wall. Captain Gunnar Isachsen, the Norwegian explorer, last winter circumnavigated the Antarctic continent in a voyage of about 14,000 miles. Zion says Isachsen may have circumnavigated something, possibly an island of that size, but did not go around the antarctic ice rim, and points to the 60,000 mile journey of Ross in 1848 and the following two years, when he circumnavigated the ice rim."

All your sources are flat earth related.

Modern accounts contract this one-off, unrepeated claim.  For example on  http://www.antarcticacup.com/x_HOME.CFM: "Russian solo circumnavigator Fedor Konyukhov returned to Albany, Western Australia, a hero today, throwing down the gauntlet to yachtsmen around the world to break his 102 day record around the Antarctica Cup Racetrack."

Any evidence that Fedor Konyukhov went around the Ice Rim and not an icy island like Gunnar Isachsen did?

His log can be downloaded.   The course he took was tracked as follows:



Come to think of it, why not book yourself on to a Condor Journeys and Adventures "Full Circumnavigation of Antarctica".  Here is the course:



The 66 days (13,000 miles) trip was established back in 1997 and is rated as "easy".
Surely the FES could raise $18,000 ?

How do we know that Konyukhov was circumnavigating the Ice Rim and not an icy island off the coast of Australia, Africa, and South America, as illustrated here: http://theflatearthsociety.net/forum/index.php?topic=544.0

Have you any evidence that he did fake it?

I am saying that this is much stronger evidence for a RE than your ancient FE heresy.  I also urge you to consider the Full Circumnavigation of Antarctica cruise.

How do we know that that ship is going around the Ice Rim and not anything else?

Quote from: Tom Bishop on June 15, 2009, 05:43:04 AM

How do we know that that ship is going around the Ice Rim and not anything else?

Well, it appears it stops in Argentina and New Zealand. You can book yourself a trip and bring a compass. Are there any flat earth fantasies to explain compass readings contradicting a flat earth?

Ignorance is worthless Tom.

The ship is going around antarctica because thats what they say happens. Hundreds of people have travelled with this company taking the much shorter journey time than the FE model predicts.

How do you account for this fact?

Please see the above link. It's perfectly possible for a ship circumnavigating a landmass off the coast of Australia to visit two or more of the southern countries.

http://i44.tinypic.com/i50zns.png

Please see the above link. It's perfectly possible for a ship circumnavigating a landmass off the coast of Australia to visit two or more of the southern countries.

http://i44.tinypic.com/i50zns.png

Hundreds of Round Earth scientists say that Antarctica is a huge continent sitting at the "bottom" of a Global Earth.

And to back this up they have published evidence such as mutiple aircraft crossings of the continent in order to map the below-ice terrain with radar (as done by my old Vice Chancellor who led the British Antarctic Survey for a number of years).

A handful of Flat Earth proponents say that Antarctica is a huge continent which encircles the "edge" of a Flat Earth.

And to back this up they have ...

Done bugger all.

So who are you going to believe, eh?

Editted for effect.

When James Clark Ross sailed along the coast of the Ice Wall he reported sailing a distance of over 60,000 miles. You can read all about it in Earth Not a Globe, Zetetic Cosmogony, and 100 Proofs, all of which are linked and available in my signature link.

Here's a quote from an article in Modern Mechanics:

"Voliva maintains that there is no South Pole, and that it is 60,000 miles around the southern ice wall. Captain Gunnar Isachsen, the Norwegian explorer, last winter circumnavigated the Antarctic continent in a voyage of about 14,000 miles. Zion says Isachsen may have circumnavigated something, possibly an island of that size, but did not go around the antarctic ice rim, and points to the 60,000 mile journey of Ross in 1848 and the following two years, when he circumnavigated the ice rim."

So now you explain contradictions in FET by inventing a new continent? That's not extraordinary at all.

If someone aboard the ship happened to have a compass, what would you expect it to show during the trip?

Ok, so the answer to "hundreds of scientists" is the unverified story of one man/crew and a quote from a famous FE'er?  I fail to see any argument here, and yet everyone is just discussing these two, very insignificant items as though they have meaning.  Nothing can come of this.

Where is the actual scientific evidence (acquired using The Scientific Method and already accepted by both sides)?

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Have you any evidence that he did fake it?

I didn't say that he faked it. I'm asking you to demonstrate that he went around the Ice Rim and not anything else.

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I am saying that this is much stronger evidence for a RE than your ancient FE heresy.  I also urge you to consider the Full Circumnavigation of Antarctica cruise.

How do we know that that ship is going around the Ice Rim and not anything else?

Sir James Clark Ross' trip is exploratory evidence.

It's not extraordinary if it was there the whole time.

The compass would align with the magnetic field lines.