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Skydiving
« on: June 07, 2009, 11:54:14 PM »
I was searching google and found these forums and had to laugh, are you guys from the dark ages?

Anyway a few years ago I had the chance to do a HALO jump (High Altitude Low Out) which basically involves jumping out of a plane at 30,000 feet and opening your chute < 1000 feet from the ground to avoid detection from enemies etc. on the ground.

From the drop height of 30,000 feet you can clearly see the curvature of the round earth, how can this be explained by the flat earth theory?

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Re: Skydiving
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2009, 12:56:34 PM »
I was searching google and found these forums and had to laugh, are you guys from the dark ages?

Anyway a few years ago I had the chance to do a HALO jump (High Altitude Low Out) which basically involves jumping out of a plane at 30,000 feet and opening your chute < 1000 feet from the ground to avoid detection from enemies etc. on the ground.

From the drop height of 30,000 feet you can clearly see the curvature of the round earth, how can this be explained by the flat earth theory?

Firstly, pics or it didn't happen. Secondly- Wait, there's nothing else.
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Re: Skydiving
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2009, 01:00:45 PM »
I was searching google and found these forums and had to laugh, are you guys from the dark ages?

Anyway a few years ago I had the chance to do a HALO jump (High Altitude Low Out) which basically involves jumping out of a plane at 30,000 feet and opening your chute < 1000 feet from the ground to avoid detection from enemies etc. on the ground.

From the drop height of 30,000 feet you can clearly see the curvature of the round earth, how can this be explained by the flat earth theory?

Firstly, pics or it didn't happen. Secondly- Wait, there's nothing else.

Firstly, I believe this guy, and if you had a genuine explanation then it wouldn't matter what he said because you'd be able to explain why he could see what he saw. Also, why the fuck would he have his camera with him when jumping from a plane?

Secondly, From space shuttle's it's widely accepted that you can see the earth curvature, this can be proven by tests and many many photos which have been taken, how can you explain this?

Thirdly, your a narrow-minded, ignorant twat  :)

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Re: Skydiving
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2009, 04:55:02 PM »
GD - if you even had a clue what it takes to do a HALO jump, the fitness it requires to stave off hypoxia in the initial parts of the jump, I think a camera is the last thing you would be thinking about. In fact it would probably be so cold, and you would be moving so fast, nothing but the most expensive equipment would be capable of taking a picture, and it would probably have to be taken from a plane.

Besides, even if he did have pictures, wouldn't you just turn round and say it was faked by NASA?

I have managed to find a picture of someone on a HAHO jump, which is obviously a slower free-fall, but having a good look in photoshop - this hasn't been edited in an obvious way

http://johnfenzel.typepad.com/john_fenzels_blog/images/2007/07/31/curvature_of_the_earth.jpg

And another photo which clearly shows a curving earth but not distorted people (so no lens issues)

http://johnfenzel.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/2007/07/31/profile_free_falling.jpg

But yes - I'm sure you are going to turn round and say it was faked. Shame.

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Re: Skydiving
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2009, 07:42:18 PM »
Curvature isn't visible from 30,000 feet. I've been to 45,000 feet on commercial flights and I've never seen any curvature to the earth.

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Re: Skydiving
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2009, 07:58:34 PM »
Curvature isn't visible from 30,000 feet. I've been to 45,000 feet on commercial flights and I've never seen any curvature to the earth.

What flight were you on that went to 45,000 feet?  What was your field of view out the window?
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Re: Skydiving
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2009, 12:37:34 AM »
In response to what Tom Bishop said, I would say that you could see a lot more falling through the air than looking through a little plane's window.

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Re: Skydiving
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2009, 12:39:19 AM »
Curvature isn't visible from 30,000 feet. I've been to 45,000 feet on commercial flights and I've never seen any curvature to the earth.
You are aware that the most advanced commercial planes aren't legally allowed to go that high, right?

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Re: Skydiving
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2009, 12:43:32 AM »
Before I went on the jump I wasn't really thinking oh shit where's my camera I was more focussed on my breathing and the jump itself. I have seen the curvature from the sky but it can also be seen from the ocean when viewing ships which are miles away.

The images shown in the previous posts will be from a lower height than 30,000 although the curvature is clear in both images. No commercial flights fly above 41,000 feet so I believe your post is just incorrect. From long haul flights it is indeed possible to view the curvature of the earth, shorter commercial flights don't make it up to these higher altitudes.

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Re: Skydiving
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2009, 01:38:10 AM »
HAHAHAHAHA I knew Tom would falter somewhere. Dont expect another response from him now, because he wont reply now he is proven wrong.
Yeah you guys are right the Airbus A380 has like a ceiling of about 43,000 feet i think, and thats a max height to, they wouldnt take them to this altitude
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Re: Skydiving
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2009, 02:27:46 AM »
Are you going to reply Tom, or are you scared that I have proven your lies.

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Re: Skydiving
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2009, 04:26:03 AM »
Ha ha. Nice one Killabee  ;D

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Re: Skydiving
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2009, 05:48:36 AM »
HAHAHAHAHA I knew Tom would falter somewhere. Dont expect another response from him now, because he wont reply now he is proven wrong.
Yeah you guys are right the Airbus A380 has like a ceiling of about 43,000 feet i think, and thats a max height to, they wouldnt take them to this altitude

Oh and Tom, bear in mind an A380 is at the pinnacle of technology - your balsa wood pedal plane from 1889 can't even break the sound barrier! Oh wait, do flat earthers reckon sound has a velocity?

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Re: Skydiving
« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2009, 06:38:21 AM »
I was searching google and found these forums and had to laugh, are you guys from the dark ages?

Anyway a few years ago I had the chance to do a HALO jump (High Altitude Low Out) which basically involves jumping out of a plane at 30,000 feet and opening your chute < 1000 feet from the ground to avoid detection from enemies etc. on the ground.

From the drop height of 30,000 feet you can clearly see the curvature of the round earth, how can this be explained by the flat earth theory?
Look up hypoxia, at 30,000 feet, anything you think you have seen, is unreliable.
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Re: Skydiving
« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2009, 06:41:07 AM »
I was not hypoxic in my jump, I had oxygen?
But the view just confirmed all the scientific proof that is available and contradicts you.

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Re: Skydiving
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2009, 07:04:09 AM »
Look up hypoxia, at 30,000 feet, anything you think you have seen, is unreliable.

Look up oxygen bottle.
[/quote]Look up temperature at 30,000 feet, the O.P. has just survived high speed at approx -50 deg F
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Re: Skydiving
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2009, 07:15:23 AM »
We now have a sky diver, on his first jump, with oxygen bottle, masses of warm clothing, a helmet to stop frostbite on face, plummeting at terminal velocity.  Through his frozen face mask he can see the Earth's perimeter and distinguish whether it is the edge of a flat disc or the round Earth horizon. Really?
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Re: Skydiving
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2009, 07:22:01 AM »
We now have a sky diver, on his first jump, with oxygen bottle, masses of warm clothing, a helmet to stop frostbite on face, plummeting at terminal velocity.  Through his frozen face mask he can see the Earth's perimeter and distinguish whether it is the edge of a flat disc or the round Earth horizon. Really?

Not my first or last jump!

You must of course realise that I was only at 30,000 feet for a split second, its not like I setup camp and slept there the night. The light jumpsuit and mask I had on insulated me from the cold and I also had a small bottle of oxygen to allow me to breathe when necessary.

The high speed is the terminal velocity of a human caused by the opposing forces of gravity and the drag resulting from the air. You obviously dont believe in gravity or terminal velocity so this is lost on you.

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Re: Skydiving
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2009, 07:25:31 AM »
Anyway a few years ago I had the chance to do a HALO jump
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Re: Skydiving
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2009, 07:37:43 AM »
Anyway a few years ago I had the chance to do a HALO jump

Yes, had the chance along with my usual skydiving. It wasnt a one off skydive but I am sure an inexperianced diver could do it tandem if they so wished.
It was brilliant, you should try it!

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Re: Skydiving
« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2009, 07:46:33 AM »
We now have a sky diver, on his first jump, with oxygen bottle, masses of warm clothing, a helmet to stop frostbite on face, plummeting at terminal velocity.  Through his frozen face mask he can see the Earth's perimeter and distinguish whether it is the edge of a flat disc or the round Earth horizon. Really?

Not my first or last jump!

You must of course realise that I was only at 30,000 feet for a split second, its not like I setup camp and slept there the night. The light jumpsuit and mask I had on insulated me from the cold and I also had a small bottle of oxygen to allow me to breathe when necessary.

The high speed is the terminal velocity of a human caused by the opposing forces of gravitation and the drag resulting from the air.
My I.Q. is 85. Or was it 58?

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Re: Skydiving
« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2009, 08:26:19 AM »
We now have a sky diver, on his first jump, with oxygen bottle, masses of warm clothing, a helmet to stop frostbite on face, plummeting at terminal velocity.  Through his frozen face mask he can see the Earth's perimeter and distinguish whether it is the edge of a flat disc or the round Earth horizon. Really?

Not my first or last jump!

You must of course realise that I was only at 30,000 feet for a split second, its not like I setup camp and slept there the night. The light jumpsuit and mask I had on insulated me from the cold and I also had a small bottle of oxygen to allow me to breathe when necessary.

The high speed is the terminal velocity of a human caused by the opposing forces of gravitation and the drag resulting from the air.

The intended meaning is the same regardless of whether the sentence was ever so slightly grammatically incorrect. Why do these things always resort to petty arguments regarding spelling and grammar? One would have to be incredibly stubborn at a subconscious level to misinterpret the meaning of these sentences.

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Re: Skydiving
« Reply #22 on: June 09, 2009, 09:34:34 AM »
We now have a sky diver, on his first jump, with oxygen bottle, masses of warm clothing, a helmet to stop frostbite on face, plummeting at terminal velocity.  Through his frozen face mask he can see the Earth's perimeter and distinguish whether it is the edge of a flat disc or the round Earth horizon. Really?

Not my first or last jump!

You must of course realise that I was only at 30,000 feet for a split second, its not like I setup camp and slept there the night. The light jumpsuit and mask I had on insulated me from the cold and I also had a small bottle of oxygen to allow me to breathe when necessary.

The high speed is the terminal velocity of a human caused by the opposing forces of gravitation and the drag resulting from the air.

The intended meaning is the same regardless of whether the sentence was ever so slightly grammatically incorrect. Why do these things always resort to petty arguments regarding spelling and grammar? One would have to be incredibly stubborn at a subconscious level to misinterpret the meaning of these sentences.
Not so, there is a big difference in the meaning....Gravity on the Flat earth does not exist. Danwood obviously understood this. You obviously do not.
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Re: Skydiving
« Reply #23 on: June 09, 2009, 04:11:08 PM »
We now have a sky diver, on his first jump, with oxygen bottle, masses of warm clothing, a helmet to stop frostbite on face, plummeting at terminal velocity.  Through his frozen face mask he can see the Earth's perimeter and distinguish whether it is the edge of a flat disc or the round Earth horizon. Really?

Not my first or last jump!

You must of course realise that I was only at 30,000 feet for a split second, its not like I setup camp and slept there the night. The light jumpsuit and mask I had on insulated me from the cold and I also had a small bottle of oxygen to allow me to breathe when necessary.

The high speed is the terminal velocity of a human caused by the opposing forces of gravitation and the drag resulting from the air.

The intended meaning is the same regardless of whether the sentence was ever so slightly grammatically incorrect. Why do these things always resort to petty arguments regarding spelling and grammar? One would have to be incredibly stubborn at a subconscious level to misinterpret the meaning of these sentences.
Not so, there is a big difference in the meaning....Gravity on the Flat earth does not exist. Danwood obviously understood this. You obviously do not.

Alright 85 IQ boy. You win. Do you feel better now?

There wasn't a big difference in the insinuation - which is what I was suggesting towards. We all knew what he meant, irrelevant of how he spelt his words. Stop being a dick and get back on topic. You're being childish to keep pursuing an issue which has no eventual difference. Get over it.

As for danwood agreeing that gravity doesn't exist.....ask him....I dare you...

It does exist. You fool.
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Re: Skydiving
« Reply #24 on: June 09, 2009, 04:13:30 PM »
We now have a sky diver, on his first jump, with oxygen bottle, masses of warm clothing, a helmet to stop frostbite on face, plummeting at terminal velocity.  Through his frozen face mask he can see the Earth's perimeter and distinguish whether it is the edge of a flat disc or the round Earth horizon. Really?

What on earth are you talking about?

By suggesting what you are, you are saying that every person who has done a HALO or HAHO jump is a liar. If you haven't done it and hence don't believe it's possible because you haven't seen it, then don't comment. If you do comment, then you are a dirty liar. Deal with it - people have seen stuff that you will never have the opportunity to see.

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Re: Skydiving
« Reply #25 on: June 10, 2009, 12:55:48 AM »
We now have a sky diver, on his first jump, with oxygen bottle, masses of warm clothing, a helmet to stop frostbite on face, plummeting at terminal velocity.  Through his frozen face mask he can see the Earth's perimeter and distinguish whether it is the edge of a flat disc or the round Earth horizon. Really?

What on earth are you talking about?

By suggesting what you are, you are saying that every person who has done a HALO or HAHO jump is a liar. If you haven't done it and hence don't believe it's possible because you haven't seen it, then don't comment. If you do comment, then you are a dirty liar. Deal with it - people have seen stuff that you will never have the opportunity to see.
I suggest that anyone doing such a jump is unlikely to take much notice of the shape of the horizon.
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Re: Skydiving
« Reply #26 on: June 10, 2009, 03:16:34 AM »
We now have a sky diver, on his first jump, with oxygen bottle, masses of warm clothing, a helmet to stop frostbite on face, plummeting at terminal velocity.  Through his frozen face mask he can see the Earth's perimeter and distinguish whether it is the edge of a flat disc or the round Earth horizon. Really?

What on earth are you talking about?

By suggesting what you are, you are saying that every person who has done a HALO or HAHO jump is a liar. If you haven't done it and hence don't believe it's possible because you haven't seen it, then don't comment. If you do comment, then you are a dirty liar. Deal with it - people have seen stuff that you will never have the opportunity to see.
I suggest that anyone doing such a jump is unlikely to take much notice of the shape of the horizon.

Oh because the view ISN'T spectacular at all. Some people might take notice, some people might not. It's hardly an argument for flat earth now is it?

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Re: Skydiving
« Reply #27 on: June 10, 2009, 09:28:46 AM »
We now have a sky diver, on his first jump, with oxygen bottle, masses of warm clothing, a helmet to stop frostbite on face, plummeting at terminal velocity.  Through his frozen face mask he can see the Earth's perimeter and distinguish whether it is the edge of a flat disc or the round Earth horizon. Really?

What on earth are you talking about?

By suggesting what you are, you are saying that every person who has done a HALO or HAHO jump is a liar. If you haven't done it and hence don't believe it's possible because you haven't seen it, then don't comment. If you do comment, then you are a dirty liar. Deal with it - people have seen stuff that you will never have the opportunity to see.
I suggest that anyone doing such a jump is unlikely to take much notice of the shape of the horizon.

Oh because the view ISN'T spectacular at all. Some people might take notice, some people might not. It's hardly an argument for flat earth now is it?

Nobody said it was. It isn't an argument for RE either, as all you have is conjecture, and not even the claims of anyone who's actually done it. How do you know they never saw a flat horizon?
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Re: Skydiving
« Reply #28 on: June 10, 2009, 11:45:21 AM »
LOL at the penguins on this site who can't accept they're wrong. What stupid fuckers.

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Re: Skydiving
« Reply #29 on: June 10, 2009, 12:48:59 PM »
LOL at the penguins on this site who can't accept they're wrong. What stupid fuckers.

Yeah, those REers are really thick.
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