The Jimmerson Spiral

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The Jimmerson Spiral
« on: May 08, 2009, 11:19:30 AM »
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Image of current Jimmerson Spiral model

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Now bendy light causes a lot of confusion. Part of the confusion is that the light is demonstrated to bend as a parabola like line. Perhaps the the light bends in a coil instead of a decent in 2 dimensions. This would be similar to the shape of a slinky. I call the spiral theory the Jimmerson Spiral.

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Re: The Jimmerson Spiral
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2009, 11:23:57 AM »
Perhaps I have horns growing out of my head. But I don't.

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Re: The Jimmerson Spiral
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2009, 11:29:31 AM »
Well the Jimmerson Spiral could explain why light seems to 'bend' into many directions. It would just be on one part of the spiral.
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Re: The Jimmerson Spiral
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2009, 11:35:16 AM »
Well the Jimmerson Spiral could explain why light seems to 'bend' into many directions. It would just be on one part of the spiral.

Maybe I'm not understanding you. Let's translate this to a practical situation: a boat leaving a shore a sinking into the horizon. How does this new theory you're presenting explain that?

And for the record, "bendy light" is not confusing, it is profoundly idiotic.

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Re: The Jimmerson Spiral
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2009, 11:40:45 AM »
Can you illustrate your scenario graphically? It will make explaining it much easier.
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Re: The Jimmerson Spiral
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2009, 11:50:07 AM »
Can you illustrate your scenario graphically? It will make explaining it much easier.

I'm at work so I cannot draw you a picture, however, the image you're asking for can be described very easily. A man (observer) is standing on a beach at water level. Using sunshine (light source) he views a boat (object) sailing out to sea. After about ten miles, the bottom of the boat will begin to sink below the horizon. At some point over the next three or so miles, the entire object will have disappeared from view (depending on the height of the ship).

"Bendy light" unsuccessfully attempts to explain that in a FE scenario. What I'm asking is: how does this new theory attempt to explain it?

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Re: The Jimmerson Spiral
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2009, 11:52:58 AM »
Draw it and I will explain it. I can wait until you are done with work.
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Re: The Jimmerson Spiral
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2009, 11:54:44 AM »
Draw it and I will explain it. I can wait until you are done with work.

Here, taken from the thread below on bendy light:

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Re: The Jimmerson Spiral
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2009, 12:00:37 PM »
give me a few moments to draw this out.
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Re: The Jimmerson Spiral
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2009, 12:52:42 PM »
Possible Model for The Jimmerson Spiral


Does this make sense?
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Re: The Jimmerson Spiral
« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2009, 12:56:30 PM »
Possible Model for The Jimmerson Spiral


Does this make sense?

Yes.

Also congratulations for staying inside the lines.

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Re: The Jimmerson Spiral
« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2009, 12:59:13 PM »
This isn't a theory. This is a bizarre conjecture.

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Re: The Jimmerson Spiral
« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2009, 01:01:10 PM »
Possible Model for The Jimmerson Spiral


Does this make sense?

If that makes sense to anyone, I feel incredibly dumb. I'd find it much easier to discuss this with words, rather than pictures.

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Re: The Jimmerson Spiral
« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2009, 01:15:43 PM »
I think it is more coherent than other bendy light models. Even if you don't think this is true, you must admit it is wonderfully witty.
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Re: The Jimmerson Spiral
« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2009, 01:21:34 PM »
I think it is more coherent that other bendy light models. Even if you don't think this is true, you must admit it is wonderfully witty.

The reason light "scatters" is because it is made of scat. Like your picture shows.

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Re: The Jimmerson Spiral
« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2009, 01:24:35 PM »
All of the comments are ad hominem attacks on my intelligence and not the model.
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Re: The Jimmerson Spiral
« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2009, 01:29:04 PM »
All of the comments are ad hominem attacks on my intelligence and not the model.

Why don't you fuck off you stinking thieving Jew?

That's ad hominem.

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Re: The Jimmerson Spiral
« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2009, 01:38:51 PM »
All of the comments are ad hominem attacks on my intelligence and not the model.

Your model has no purpose. If a five-year old child drew it, there would be no distinction.

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Re: The Jimmerson Spiral
« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2009, 03:16:07 PM »
What about my illustration do you not get or is confusing?
« Last Edit: May 08, 2009, 03:19:21 PM by grogberries »
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Re: The Jimmerson Spiral
« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2009, 03:20:20 PM »
What about my illustration do you not get or is confusing?
I don't understand where the large piece of feces comes into play.

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Re: The Jimmerson Spiral
« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2009, 03:32:45 PM »
What about my illustration do you not get or is confusing?

Grogman, I get it.  They don't.  Just let it go.

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Re: The Jimmerson Spiral
« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2009, 03:42:55 PM »
Well it is important to me for this to be clear. I think this is big enough to make the FAQ.
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Re: The Jimmerson Spiral
« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2009, 03:44:34 PM »
Well it is important to me for this to be clear. I think this is big enough to make the FAQ.

No it's not.  You just don't get it and you NEVER will.

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Re: The Jimmerson Spiral
« Reply #23 on: May 08, 2009, 04:01:27 PM »
Follow the law.

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Re: The Jimmerson Spiral
« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2009, 03:42:59 PM »
wait, why are the other parts of the spiral not visible?

it seems like you should be able to see the entire spiral in a confusing array of lights rather than just one along the side.

plus, shouldn't the ship be invisible if you look through the spiral? I'm confused

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Re: The Jimmerson Spiral
« Reply #25 on: May 14, 2009, 05:04:05 PM »
That is part of the theory that is yet unexplained. Some how the light from the rest of the spiral would have to be blocked. One way that could describe this is that there is interference with other light waves and they cancel out the top bits. The eye could also be designed to block this light either mechanically or cognitively. I am still deciding what the best way to describe this phenomena.
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Re: The Jimmerson Spiral
« Reply #26 on: May 14, 2009, 05:05:06 PM »
That is part of the theory that is yet unexplained. Some how the light from the rest of the spiral would have to be blocked. One way that could describe this is that there is interference with other light waves and they cancel out the top bits. The eye could also be designed to block this light either mechanically or cognitively. I am still deciding what the best way to describe this phenomena.
Take your time. We do understand that you're probably very busy with Comprehensive Exams or something.

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Re: The Jimmerson Spiral
« Reply #27 on: May 14, 2009, 05:08:55 PM »
I understand what you're saying,it just needs further research to be taken seriously.

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Re: The Jimmerson Spiral
« Reply #28 on: May 14, 2009, 06:21:30 PM »
Yes, I agree, but there really is no good alternative we have anyways. I think this could be a way to explain it.
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Re: The Jimmerson Spiral
« Reply #29 on: May 14, 2009, 06:24:36 PM »
I think our current explanations explain it rather well.