The Earth really is flat!

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The Earth really is flat!
« on: May 06, 2009, 06:58:54 AM »
Its true! I read this website and it seems like since all of the experts on this site say its flat and that there are 652 idiots on snowmobiles patrolling the ice wall, and since everyone on here has an advanced physics degree it must be true!

I am quitting professional school and will be trying to fly off the bottom of the earth, I mean after all if you guys type here from under your tinfoil hats it must be proven with irrefutable evidence.
"The earth looks flat, I mean from my frame of reference." -Isn't that how you all justify this nonsense?

Please do not repopulate this flat planet, I dont think the world should be blessed with so many geniuses.

Even better yet, please shoot yourselves in the face.

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Re: The Earth really is flat!
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2009, 08:00:13 AM »
Well done, you have placed a well reasoned, logical argument. Just like someone who is not an idiot.
My I.Q. is 85. Or was it 58?

Re: The Earth really is flat!
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2009, 08:14:34 AM »
Since the sun is 300 000 times bigger than the Earth, how can it be noon one place on earth and midnight somewhere else? That would be impossible if the earth was flat.

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Re: The Earth really is flat!
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2009, 08:20:26 AM »
Since the sun is 300 000 times bigger than the Earth, how can it be noon one place on earth and midnight somewhere else? That would be impossible if the earth was flat.
If the sun was 300000 times bigger than the Earth, you may be right. However the sun is much smaller than the Earth.
My I.Q. is 85. Or was it 58?

Re: The Earth really is flat!
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2009, 08:33:40 AM »
Since the sun is 300 000 times bigger than the Earth, how can it be noon one place on earth and midnight somewhere else? That would be impossible if the earth was flat.
If the sun was 300000 times bigger than the Earth, you may be right. However the sun is much smaller than the Earth.
And where is the evidence of that?

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Re: The Earth really is flat!
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2009, 08:42:02 AM »
Since the sun is 300 000 times bigger than the Earth, how can it be noon one place on earth and midnight somewhere else? That would be impossible if the earth was flat.
If the sun was 300000 times bigger than the Earth, you may be right. However the sun is much smaller than the Earth.
And where is the evidence of that?
Read the faq, the sun is approx 30 miles diameter, I believe.
My I.Q. is 85. Or was it 58?

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Re: The Earth really is flat!
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2009, 08:50:06 AM »
Since the sun is 300 000 times bigger than the Earth, how can it be noon one place on earth and midnight somewhere else? That would be impossible if the earth was flat.
If the sun was 300000 times bigger than the Earth, you may be right. However the sun is much smaller than the Earth.
And where is the evidence of that?
Read the faq, the sun is approx 30 miles diameter, I believe.

All right, I'll play along.

I saw that in the FAQ. The problem is, if you're correct, than it wouldn't be possible to measure the size of the Sun. Both figures would be unproven. What is the point of even giving the Sun a definitive size? Why not just state: For our theory to be correct, the Sun would need to be far smaller than currently estimated?

Edit: Furthermore, if the Sun was over the center of the earth, it would still be impossible for it to be midnight elsewhere. The Sun would always be in view of everyone. Not to mention, the Sun's size does not change in appearance. If you were correct, the Sun would have to gradually shrink in size as it moved further away, rather than sink out of sight as it currently does.

On a personal note, I believe you are essentially trolling everyone anyway, so I find it very odd that I'm even debating this with you.
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Re: The Earth really is flat!
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2009, 09:06:24 AM »
so I find it very odd that I'm even debating this with you.

You are no longer.
My I.Q. is 85. Or was it 58?

Re: The Earth really is flat!
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2009, 09:33:31 AM »
So do believers in a flat earth have flat penises?

Re: The Earth really is flat!
« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2009, 09:36:47 AM »
Since the sun is 300 000 times bigger than the Earth, how can it be noon one place on earth and midnight somewhere else? That would be impossible if the earth was flat.
If the sun was 300000 times bigger than the Earth, you may be right. However the sun is much smaller than the Earth.
And where is the evidence of that?
It is obvious my Norwegian amigo, just look out the window in the sky... Nevermind that the sun is a good distance away, because according to these guys, it is in between the equator, and is only 3,000 miles away. So, in their theory it would have to be small, or we would be roasted into oblivion... Just wow, wasn't the idea of a flat earth debunked oh, 500 years ago? You guys are as bad as Christian's and their phony god.

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Re: The Earth really is flat!
« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2009, 10:24:59 AM »
so I find it very odd that I'm even debating this with you.

You are no longer.

Hmm...

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Re: The Earth really is flat!
« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2009, 12:43:06 PM »
If you have a bit of a peer around the rest of the forums, a lot of your questions will be answered.

Please direct me specifically. I found the FAQ very unhelpful. Every answer created a hundred new questions.

I'm willing to bet that I can create questions faster than anyone on these forums is capable of making up answers. I could be the biggest fool in the world, but on a long enough timeline, I'll win any debate we could ever possibly have on this topic.

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Re: The Earth really is flat!
« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2009, 12:59:37 PM »
If you have a bit of a peer around the rest of the forums, a lot of your questions will be answered.

Please direct me specifically. I found the FAQ very unhelpful. Every answer created a hundred new questions.

I'm willing to bet that I can create questions faster than anyone on these forums is capable of making up answers. I could be the biggest fool in the world, but on a long enough timeline, I'll win any debate we could ever possibly have on this topic.

OK, ready?

Go!

Ok, do you have a preference as to where we start? Maybe I could pick a topic, then you?

Let's start with something simple: the horizon. If the Earth was flat, how is it possible for the Sun to rise or set beyond the horizon? How is it possible that after sailing 10-15 miles off shore, the land you just left has disappeared below sight line (with any tall buildings or mountains still possibly being visible).

How can a horizon exist without a curve?

Note: I do not want to go to the FAQ, I want to engage in an actual conversation with a person who *claims* to believe the Earth is flat.

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Re: The Earth really is flat!
« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2009, 01:11:55 PM »
If you have a bit of a peer around the rest of the forums, a lot of your questions will be answered.

Please direct me specifically. I found the FAQ very unhelpful. Every answer created a hundred new questions.

I'm willing to bet that I can create questions faster than anyone on these forums is capable of making up answers. I could be the biggest fool in the world, but on a long enough timeline, I'll win any debate we could ever possibly have on this topic.

OK, ready?

Go!

Ok, do you have a preference as to where we start? Maybe I could pick a topic, then you?

Let's start with something simple: the horizon. If the Earth was flat, how is it possible for the Sun to rise or set beyond the horizon? How is it possible that after sailing 10-15 miles off shore, the land you just left has disappeared below sight line (with any tall buildings or mountains still possibly being visible).

How can a horizon exist without a curve?

Note: I do not want to go to the FAQ, I want to engage in an actual conversation with a person who *claims* to believe the Earth is flat.

Depending on who you talk to, this is due to 'Atmospheric (something)'; I can't remember its name as I'm not one of the particularly clued up members, or it's due to the refraction of the light from the sun.

Ok, well let's examine that. Refraction of light is simply the way light is altered when it passes through a certain medium (an ideal example of that is water -- the way your hand may appear to look distorted beneath the surface of water, etc). Unfortunately (for you), that simplistic answer does not satisfy the question. Horizons are standard -- they exist all over the Earth, regardless of the Sun's current position relative to the Earth and regardless of the medium you are viewing them over (land or sea).

We can use that same example: a boat leaving a shore -- the people on the boat will view a sinking land mass behind them and the people on the shore will view a sinking boat. If the boat returns, both participants will view the other object rising; if the boat does not return, it will eventually come around to the exact opposite horizon, at which point it could move back and forth again to create the same affect. The only object where such events would be possible, is a sphere.

Re: The Earth really is flat!
« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2009, 01:21:42 PM »
pad264 wins the Internet.

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Re: The Earth really is flat!
« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2009, 01:28:26 PM »
If you have a bit of a peer around the rest of the forums, a lot of your questions will be answered.

Please direct me specifically. I found the FAQ very unhelpful. Every answer created a hundred new questions.

I'm willing to bet that I can create questions faster than anyone on these forums is capable of making up answers. I could be the biggest fool in the world, but on a long enough timeline, I'll win any debate we could ever possibly have on this topic.

OK, ready?

Go!

Ok, do you have a preference as to where we start? Maybe I could pick a topic, then you?

Let's start with something simple: the horizon. If the Earth was flat, how is it possible for the Sun to rise or set beyond the horizon? How is it possible that after sailing 10-15 miles off shore, the land you just left has disappeared below sight line (with any tall buildings or mountains still possibly being visible).

How can a horizon exist without a curve?

Note: I do not want to go to the FAQ, I want to engage in an actual conversation with a person who *claims* to believe the Earth is flat.

Depending on who you talk to, this is due to 'Atmospheric (something)'; I can't remember its name as I'm not one of the particularly clued up members, or it's due to the refraction of the light from the sun.

Ok, well let's examine that. Refraction of light is simply the way light is altered when it passes through a certain medium (an ideal example of that is water -- the way your hand may appear to look distorted beneath the surface of water, etc). Unfortunately (for you), that simplistic answer does not satisfy the question. Horizons are standard -- they exist all over the Earth, regardless of the Sun's current position relative to the Earth and regardless of the medium you are viewing them over (land or sea).

We can use that same example: a boat leaving a shore -- the people on the boat will view a sinking land mass behind them and the people on the shore will view a sinking boat. If the boat returns, both participants will view the other object rising; if the boat does not return, it will eventually come around to the exact opposite horizon, at which point it could move back and forth again to create the same affect. The only object where such events would be possible, is a sphere.

Search 'bendy light'.

For future reference, I'm not interested in looking anything up; I'm interested in having a conversation with you. In an attempt to move this along, I did look up "bendy light" and it appears you feel that light bends upward, causing the illusion of a horizon. To be honest with you, I think I actually understand the argument; however, it is severely flawed and can be proven so, seemingly very easily. The first thing I thought of after reading about "bendy light," is: what happens if you are viewing the "sinking boat" from a higher elevation; i.e., if you're in a tall, coastline building, the boat will stay in your sight longer than it would if you were on the shore (same would go if you were sailing in a very tall boat looking back at the shore).

Under the logic of "bendy light," wouldn't that be impossible?

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Re: The Earth really is flat!
« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2009, 01:42:50 PM »
Not really, no.
Draw a picture, if it helps...

No what?

Maybe I am misunderstanding your theory of "bendy light;" if so, please explain it to me. My understanding is that you claim light bends away from the observer and toward the source. Not only is that impossible for obvious reasons, but when dealing with a horizon, it doesn't account for the location of the observer (his altitude). Everything about "bendy light" seems ridiculous to me, so assuming you are not a ridiculous person, I'd hope you could provide me -- in your own words -- an explanation of how it works.

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Re: The Earth really is flat!
« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2009, 01:55:59 PM »
Not really, no.
Draw a picture, if it helps...

No what?

Maybe I am misunderstanding your theory of "bendy light;" if so, please explain it to me. My understanding is that you claim light bends away from the observer and toward the source. Not only is that impossible for obvious reasons, but when dealing with a horizon, it doesn't account for the location of the observer (his altitude). Everything about "bendy light" seems ridiculous to me, so assuming you are not a ridiculous person, I'd hope you could provide me -- in your own words -- an explanation of how it works.



'Bendy Light' is the theory that light bends upwards. Therefore, if you move a certain distance away from an object, the light will have bent up to a degree that it goes above your head. Therefore, if you stand on a stone or something, your head moves up, back into the path of the light.

That's incorrect though. If the light is bending away from the observer, that means it is bending back toward the source. If that's the case, the light would never reach the observer that is standing at a higher altitude. Furthermore, let's reverse the scenario and place the observer below ground rather than high above ground. If light bent the way you're claiming, it would then reach an observer below the line of sight, i.e., a 5 ft person standing in a 6 ft ditch could see 100 yards away in any direction.

The point is that the bendy light theory is false: it is painfully forced and it works to answer one question while creating more inconsistencies.

Light does not bend upward and the only reason anyone would ever claim it did is if they wanted to defend the Earth being flat. That's what I find so fascinating about all of this -- if science didn't prove the Earth was round, you would never use such a ridiculous theory to prove the Earth is flat. It only exists as a silly defense, not science.

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Re: The Earth really is flat!
« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2009, 02:08:39 PM »
Not really, no.
Draw a picture, if it helps...

No what?

Maybe I am misunderstanding your theory of "bendy light;" if so, please explain it to me. My understanding is that you claim light bends away from the observer and toward the source. Not only is that impossible for obvious reasons, but when dealing with a horizon, it doesn't account for the location of the observer (his altitude). Everything about "bendy light" seems ridiculous to me, so assuming you are not a ridiculous person, I'd hope you could provide me -- in your own words -- an explanation of how it works.



'Bendy Light' is the theory that light bends upwards. Therefore, if you move a certain distance away from an object, the light will have bent up to a degree that it goes above your head. Therefore, if you stand on a stone or something, your head moves up, back into the path of the light.

That's incorrect though. If the light is bending away from the observer, that means it is bending back toward the source. If that's the case, the light would never reach the observer that is standing at a higher altitude.
No it doesn't, it converges with vertical at infinity. Well technically; it more likely just becomes vertical after a bit.

 
Furthermore, let's reverse the scenario and place the observer below ground rather than high above ground. If light bent the way you're claiming, it would then reach an observer below the line of sight, i.e., a 5 ft person standing in a 6 ft ditch could see 100 yards away in any direction.
What?

Why can't you type out a complete thought? You stated: "light converges with vertical at infinity." There is no point to me responding to that until you clarify specifically what you mean. Use an example if needed.

As for the second part, you are suggesting that light is bending in certain directions, which means all vision becomes relative. There is no up and down...it's all space -- if light can bend down, it can also bend up. So, I drew an analogy. If the Earth is flat and after a certain distance light begins to bend upwards (horizon illusion), then it would also be expected that all line of sight situations would become unstable. Obviously, in actuality, that's not the case.

P.S. I'm leaving work and may not have a chance to respond again until tomorrow.

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Re: The Earth really is flat!
« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2009, 02:19:35 PM »
I love how, when asked for evidence, FE'ers say "Read the FAQ". I did, and it doesn't have evidence to support it.

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Re: The Earth really is flat!
« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2009, 02:41:53 PM »


Why can't you type out a complete thought? You stated: "light converges with vertical at infinity." There is no point to me responding to that until you clarify specifically what you mean. Use an example if needed.
OK, my example is the graph y=1/x. This converges with the vertical y axis at infinity. This is what light does.
As for the second part, you are suggesting that light is bending in certain directions, which means all vision becomes relative. There is no up and down...it's all space -- if light can bend down, it can also bend up. So, I drew an analogy. If the Earth is flat and after a certain distance light begins to bend upwards (horizon illusion), then it would also be expected that all line of sight situations would become unstable. Obviously, in actuality, that's not the case.

Vision is relative to the Earth. There is up and down; they're often referred to as 'up' and 'down'. As we've established, under the Bendy Light Theory, light bends up.
it would also be expected that all line of sight situations would become unstable. Obviously, in actuality, that's not the case.
Again, what?

Ok, so let's get on the same page for a moment. Every scenario needs three things: A light source, an object and an observer. Is your claim that light always bends up from the object and away from the observer at a certain distance? The curve of the light away from the observer would essentially explain why things disappear from view after a certain distance. That is your answer for how a horizon happens, correct?

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Re: The Earth really is flat!
« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2009, 04:01:23 PM »
For future reference, I'm not interested in looking anything up;

Do you also want to be burped and put down for a nap after being spoon fed?
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Re: The Earth really is flat!
« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2009, 04:59:08 AM »
Since the sun is 300 000 times bigger than the Earth, how can it be noon one place on earth and midnight somewhere else? That would be impossible if the earth was flat.
If the sun was 300000 times bigger than the Earth, you may be right. However the sun is much smaller than the Earth.

LOL. I hope a meteor hits your house.

Re: The Earth really is flat!
« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2009, 09:46:42 AM »

I am quitting professional school and will be trying to fly off the bottom of the earth,



I'm going to dig a deep hole so that I can see outer space.

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Re: The Earth really is flat!
« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2009, 04:17:19 PM »
 :o

Woah, a round earther on a flat earth forum? Can it be so? Do my EYES deceive me!?
If you say that the earth is flat, you are destroying centuries of evolution.

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Re: The Earth really is flat!
« Reply #25 on: May 08, 2009, 07:25:48 AM »


Why can't you type out a complete thought? You stated: "light converges with vertical at infinity." There is no point to me responding to that until you clarify specifically what you mean. Use an example if needed.
OK, my example is the graph y=1/x. This converges with the vertical y axis at infinity. This is what light does.
As for the second part, you are suggesting that light is bending in certain directions, which means all vision becomes relative. There is no up and down...it's all space -- if light can bend down, it can also bend up. So, I drew an analogy. If the Earth is flat and after a certain distance light begins to bend upwards (horizon illusion), then it would also be expected that all line of sight situations would become unstable. Obviously, in actuality, that's not the case.

Vision is relative to the Earth. There is up and down; they're often referred to as 'up' and 'down'. As we've established, under the Bendy Light Theory, light bends up.
it would also be expected that all line of sight situations would become unstable. Obviously, in actuality, that's not the case.
Again, what?

Ok, so let's get on the same page for a moment. Every scenario needs three things: A light source, an object and an observer. Is your claim that light always bends up from the object and away from the observer at a certain distance? The curve of the light away from the observer would essentially explain why things disappear from view after a certain distance. That is your answer for how a horizon happens, correct?

Yes.

I wrote this in a different thread, but I'll post it here as a response:

Let's take a simple scenario: a sail boat (object), a person (observer) and the Sun (light source). As the sailboat leaves the shore, it sinks below view and eventually cannot be seen. "Bendy light" uses two things to explain that act: first, light always bends away from the observer, so after a certain distance it cannot be seen; second, light bend upward around the object, explaining the sinking illusion. I'm fine with that...you can even change the scenario, if you take a lake with a 15 miles radius, a person standing at any position around the lake could not see an object in the center, the reasoning for that, as explained by "Bendy light" is that since light is always bending away from the observer, it is essentially acting as a trick mirror. Fine. Any time you present a scenario with an object, observer and light source, that explanation seems to fit. Granted, it doesn't explain why light bends upward or away from the observer, but we'll leave that alone for now -- the why is irrelevant as long as it works.

Here is the issue: if the object and the light source are the same thing, the theory falls apart. The simplest example of that is the setting (or rising) Sun. If light is always bending away from the observer (and back around the object moving away from the observer) than it would mean in this scenario that light is curving back towards the light source (the Sun). If light ever curved back toward a light source, you could not see anything, as the light would never reach your eyes.

Note: All this explanation does is explain why "Bendy light" is false under your terms. It would also be easy to exploit the aspect of the theory involving light bending upwards at all. I just don't see a point in even touching that...yet.

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Re: The Earth really is flat!
« Reply #26 on: May 08, 2009, 11:10:54 AM »


Why can't you type out a complete thought? You stated: "light converges with vertical at infinity." There is no point to me responding to that until you clarify specifically what you mean. Use an example if needed.
OK, my example is the graph y=1/x. This converges with the vertical y axis at infinity. This is what light does.
As for the second part, you are suggesting that light is bending in certain directions, which means all vision becomes relative. There is no up and down...it's all space -- if light can bend down, it can also bend up. So, I drew an analogy. If the Earth is flat and after a certain distance light begins to bend upwards (horizon illusion), then it would also be expected that all line of sight situations would become unstable. Obviously, in actuality, that's not the case.

Vision is relative to the Earth. There is up and down; they're often referred to as 'up' and 'down'. As we've established, under the Bendy Light Theory, light bends up.
it would also be expected that all line of sight situations would become unstable. Obviously, in actuality, that's not the case.
Again, what?

Ok, so let's get on the same page for a moment. Every scenario needs three things: A light source, an object and an observer. Is your claim that light always bends up from the object and away from the observer at a certain distance? The curve of the light away from the observer would essentially explain why things disappear from view after a certain distance. That is your answer for how a horizon happens, correct?

Yes.

I wrote this in a different thread, but I'll post it here as a response:

Let's take a simple scenario: a sail boat (object), a person (observer) and the Sun (light source). As the sailboat leaves the shore, it sinks below view and eventually cannot be seen. "Bendy light" uses two things to explain that act: first, light always bends away from the observer, so after a certain distance it cannot be seen; second, light bend upward around the object, explaining the sinking illusion. I'm fine with that...you can even change the scenario, if you take a lake with a 15 miles radius, a person standing at any position around the lake could not see an object in the center, the reasoning for that, as explained by "Bendy light" is that since light is always bending away from the observer, it is essentially acting as a trick mirror. Fine. Any time you present a scenario with an object, observer and light source, that explanation seems to fit. Granted, it doesn't explain why light bends upward or away from the observer, but we'll leave that alone for now -- the why is irrelevant as long as it works.

Here is the issue: if the object and the light source are the same thing, the theory falls apart. The simplest example of that is the setting (or rising) Sun. If light is always bending away from the observer (and back around the object moving away from the observer) than it would mean in this scenario that light is curving back towards the light source (the Sun). If light ever curved back toward a light source, you could not see anything, as the light would never reach your eyes.

Not true. As I've said before, the light is convergent on vertical.

You're suggesting that light reaches a limit at some point in the distance? First off, I have no idea why you think that's true and secondly, I don't understand how that opposes what I've written. If it were simply a matter of distance, then a person on a mountain wouldn't be able to see further.

Re: The Earth really is flat!
« Reply #27 on: May 09, 2009, 05:27:12 PM »
Since the sun is 300 000 times bigger than the Earth, how can it be noon one place on earth and midnight somewhere else? That would be impossible if the earth was flat.
If the sun was 300000 times bigger than the Earth, you may be right. However the sun is much smaller than the Earth.
And where is the evidence of that?
Read the faq, the sun is approx 30 miles diameter, I believe.

I'm sorry to say, but if the sun was that small, it wouldn't generate enough heat. And even if we were really close to a sun that small, it would have to be EXTREMELY hot, and we would burn up.

Re: The Earth really is flat!
« Reply #28 on: May 10, 2009, 07:39:22 AM »
Since the sun is 300 000 times bigger than the Earth, how can it be noon one place on earth and midnight somewhere else? That would be impossible if the earth was flat.
If the sun was 300000 times bigger than the Earth, you may be right. However the sun is much smaller than the Earth.
And where is the evidence of that?
Read the faq, the sun is approx 30 miles diameter, I believe.

I'm sorry to say, but if the sun was that small, it wouldn't generate enough heat. And even if we were really close to a sun that small, it would have to be EXTREMELY hot, and we would burn up.

Are you suggesting that object can only be either too hot or too cold?

I'm sorry. Would you re-phrase your question? I'm having a hard time understanding what you're trying to ask.

Re: The Earth really is flat!
« Reply #29 on: May 10, 2009, 09:14:46 AM »
Since the sun is 300 000 times bigger than the Earth, how can it be noon one place on earth and midnight somewhere else? That would be impossible if the earth was flat.
If the sun was 300000 times bigger than the Earth, you may be right. However the sun is much smaller than the Earth.
And where is the evidence of that?
Read the faq, the sun is approx 30 miles diameter, I believe.

I'm sorry to say, but if the sun was that small, it wouldn't generate enough heat. And even if we were really close to a sun that small, it would have to be EXTREMELY hot, and we would burn up.

Are you suggesting that object can only be either too hot or too cold?

I'm sorry. Would you re-phrase your question? I'm having a hard time understanding what you're trying to ask.

You said the sun 'wouldn't generate enough heat' to keep the planet at the right temperature, unless it was 'EXTREMELY hot, and we would burn up'. 

What's wrong with the sun being a temperature between these two extremes?

Well, if the sun was only 30 miles in diameter, then it would be physically impossible for it to be the same distance away from us as it is estimated or for it to be the heat it is to keep our temperature around the temperature we need to survive.