Origin of the "Conspiracy"

Heh... I'm not going to bother to debate the mechanics of a Conspiracy, because you won't be convinced no matter what I say.  Although it does make sense that the NASA execs would believe that the Earth is round, it is impossible for them not to have realized it was flat if it was so.  Think... it would be much more expensive to build a fake infrastructure capable of acting like the satellites and fake all of the data coming from satellites to match with expected data types (99% of satellites are NOT designed by NASA, but by separate research teams.  NASA would have to be able to show the research teams the data from the satellites that were suppose to be in orbit, but were not).

Also, NASA's budget is only 17.6B USD.  Do you really think that is enough money to propagate all of the lies and infrastructure necessary to mitigate the consequences of faking the space program?  To me, it is absolutely nowhere near enough money.  It is obvious to me because I am aware of all of the information, data, and research that both goes into and comes out of the space program.  It would be impossible to do what you suggest with only 17.6B per year.

But that's it for the Conspiracy for me!  heh... you'll get me going on it, towards a dead end that neither of us will concede.

Quote from: lordbucket on May 01, 2009, 05:03:07 PM

Quote from: Waste of Mind on May 01, 2009, 04:55:11 PM

I will apply Occams razor to weather or not God exists.

That's a good one. One one side, we have the evidence of god being the bounty of life, and the position of man as ruler of the beasts etc etc.

On the other hand we have the scientific explanation (with evidence) of how life evolved and the development of the human brain leading to a highly intelligent, adaptable and social primate.

Which one makes the least number of assumptions? The religious one. So which one does Occams razor cut away? The religious one.

What's more likely, that this beautiful, intricate, complex, mathematically-guided universe we live in came about purely by chance, or that this beautiful, intricate, complex, mathematically-guided universe we live in had an intelligent designer?

Occam's Razor contradicts the basic logical principle that correlation does not imply causation.  Therefore it has no place in a logical debate.

It doesn't matter what we think makes more sense, what matters is what's true, although the earth is flat, it doesn't mean we have to accept ID/Creationism altogether.

If this forum was a satire, or a parody, I would find it both entertaining and interesting.  Unfortunately, it seems that most members have taken the "question everything" ideal and transformed it into "reject everything".  The ideologies are very different.  One is useful, the other futile.

Well I think you took the wrong message from the forum then because we absolutely do not reject everything.  For most of us it's a mental exercise (you can call it masturbation if you like): arguing the plausibility of a flat Earth.

It would be impossible to do what you suggest with only 17.6B per year.

Not really. Faking a space program is much cheaper than actually having one. And most people don't bother to check the facts; if they did, it would become instantly clear that NASA is a hoax.

Ok, since it will be instantly clear, find me a fact.  Just one will do.  go.

Quote from: munkirench on May 06, 2009, 11:01:42 AM

If this forum was a satire, or a parody, I would find it both entertaining and interesting.  Unfortunately, it seems that most members have taken the "question everything" ideal and transformed it into "reject everything".  The ideologies are very different.  One is useful, the other futile.

Well I think you took the wrong message from the forum then because we absolutely do not reject everything.  For most of us it's a mental exercise (you can call it masturbation if you like): arguing the plausibility of a flat Earth.

I see.  Do you actually believe in a round earth?  Or if you don't believe in either one, do you think it's relevant or important to find which one is actually correct?  Do you believe that there actually is a correct answer? (not trying to flame, just trying to understand)

Ok, since it will be instantly clear, find me a fact.  Just one will do.  go.

NASA is a hoax = FACT.

The moon landing was fake = FACT.

I see.  Do you actually believe in a round earth?  Or if you don't believe in either one, do you think it's relevant or important to find which one is actually correct?  Do you believe that there actually is a correct answer? (not trying to flame, just trying to understand)

I'm reasonably sure that the Earth is round.  There's just enough doubt to make speculation interesting.

Don't be mistaken, though.  We do have members who actually believe the Earth is flat.

Quote from: munkirench on May 06, 2009, 12:02:52 PM

Ok, since it will be instantly clear, find me a fact.  Just one will do.  go.

NASA is a hoax = FACT.

The moon landing was fake = FACT.

Roofles@circular reasoning.

As for the moon landing being fake... I have yet to see any convincing evidence.  Every single piece of "evidence" offered has been thoroughly debunked.

Quote from: W on May 06, 2009, 12:24:42 PM

Quote from: munkirench on May 06, 2009, 12:02:52 PM

Ok, since it will be instantly clear, find me a fact.  Just one will do.  go.

NASA is a hoax = FACT.

The moon landing was fake = FACT.

Roofles@circular reasoning.

As for the moon landing being fake... I have yet to see any convincing evidence.  Every single piece of "evidence" offered has been thoroughly debunked.

It's not circular reasoning.

There's plenty of proof that we didn't really land on the moon, and yet no proof that we actually did.

Here's a video in which only ONE of the six "astronauts" who have supposedly been to the moon will swear on the bible that they did:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2265515730495966561

One turns down $5,000 JUST to swear on the bible that he actually landed on the moon. Another actually gets angry and PUNCHES the director when called on his lies.

Here's one of many sites filled with all sorts of different evidence that can be easily found with some quick Googling:
http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicapollo.html

The Moon landing was NOT a hoax, and NASA is not either.

In the FAQ, it says the 'profit' for NASA is $47,000,000. 47 million dollars isn't a whole lot when we're talking about covering up the shape of the earth.

I actually would have estimated a much larger "pocketed" profit than that.  But hey, if the tinfoil club members already have their own estimate, I won't bother to make one of my own.

$47M? Really???  You honestly think that the world's greatest conspiracy only earns a profit of $47M?  Assuming that more than 47 people are in on the Conspiracy (a very conservative estimate, stipulating that the Conspiracy actualy exists), that's less than $1M each per year.  A trifling sum.  Who would hoax the entire world over something to explosive for less than $1M per year?

I can't believe that ANYONE would possibly think that such a thing could be.

The estimate in that thread is VERY conservitive.

If by "conservative" you mean "ridiculous and utterly implausible", then I agree.

A "VERY conservitive" estimate, in your words (learn how to spell) would be more like in the tens of billions or more. We are talking about a worldwide conspiracy that includes the US, Russia, and China. Those countries don't exactly get along. Concealing the shape of the Earth would take a hell of a lot more money than $47 million.

A "VERY conservitive" estimate, in your words (learn how to spell) would be more like in the tens of billions or more. We are talking about a worldwide conspiracy that includes the US, Russia, and China. Those countries don't exactly get along. Concealing the shape of the Earth would take a hell of a lot more money than $47 million.

Their goal isn't to make people think the Earth is a sphere. They couldn't care less about that, except that it would expose their organization as a fraud. Because they actually believed (and possibly still do believe) that the Earth is a sphere it simply made sense for them to fake it as being that way.

A "VERY conservitive" estimate, in your words (learn how to spell) would be more like in the tens of billions or more. We are talking about a worldwide conspiracy that includes the US, Russia, and China. Those countries don't exactly get along. Concealing the shape of the Earth would take a hell of a lot more money than $47 million.

I wasn't using FF at the time so hence had no spellcheck. It's not the entire countries getting along,it's just one agency within those governments. Can you please provide some facts or even crude numbers to support your claim of how much it would cost?

Even if their cover up was based only on a fake space program, it would still take billions before it became worthwhile.

We're not talking about cost, we're talking about profit.  It must be assumed that the cost must be less than $17B, because that is NASA's budget, and profit for Americans in on the conspiracy could not be more than $17B.  Not enough money.

Even if their cover up was based only on a fake space program, it would still take billions before it became worthwhile.

They have billions.

Even if their cover up was based only on a fake space program, it would still take billions before it became worthwhile.

We're not talking about cost, we're talking about profit.  It must be assumed that the cost must be less than $17B, because that is NASA's budget, and profit for Americans in on the conspiracy could not be more than $17B.  Not enough money.

You are a flying anteater. See? I can make points without any evidence too.

Quote from: Waste of Mind on May 07, 2009, 03:03:01 PM

You are a flying anteater. See? I can make points without any evidence too.

So you admit you're being outwitted by a flying anteater.

Except I'm not.

Look, NASA gets TONS of money every year! BILLIONS of dollars! There is *plenty* of money in there to make it worth a bit of movie magic.

Look, NASA gets TONS of money every year! BILLIONS of dollars! There is *plenty* of money in there to make it worth a bit of movie magic.

What he said.

Guys, what are you talking about?  The conspiracy compendium didn't estimate that the conspiracy made a profit of $47 million a year, it said that they spent that.  Having a budget of billions, the conspiracy makes an enormous profit.

Quote from: Saddam Hussein on May 07, 2009, 05:35:34 PM

Guys, what are you talking about?  The conspiracy compendium didn't estimate that the conspiracy made a profit of $47 million a year, it said that they spent that.  Having a budget of billions, the conspiracy makes an enormous profit.

Who asked you Mr Butt-In?

This is not a private conversation that I'm eavesdropping on.  This is the Internet.  This is a public message board.  Why shouldn't I add my thoughts?  They're constructive and add to the discussion.

LOL How do you guys know they spent exactly 47 million dollars?

LOL How do you guys know they spent exactly 47 million dollars?

I'm not actually sure where that number came from but I imagine it was estimated based on a number of factors.

Quote from: MisterHamper on May 07, 2009, 05:48:21 PM

LOL How do you guys know they spent exactly 47 million dollars?

I'm not actually sure where that number came from but I imagine it was estimated based on a number of factors.

Yeah right, ofcourse it was. That number came from someones ass is what it did.
You dont even know if they use GPS-airships or huge GPS-towers, or how they "protect" and "cover" the giant ice-wall. It could be anywhere from 50 million to 10 billion they should use. If they spent only 50 million, it would mean they could only hire 1000 men for 1 year.

Quote from: W on May 07, 2009, 05:50:37 PM

Quote from: MisterHamper on May 07, 2009, 05:48:21 PM

LOL How do you guys know they spent exactly 47 million dollars?

I'm not actually sure where that number came from but I imagine it was estimated based on a number of factors.

Yeah right, ofcourse it was. That number came from someones ass is what it did.
You dont even know if they use GPS-airships or huge GPS-towers, or how they "protect" and "cover" the giant ice-wall. It could be anywhere from 50 million to 10 billion they should use. If they spent only 50 million, it would mean they could only hire 1000 men for 1 year.

I don't personally believe anyone is guarding the ice wall. It's possible that they have a couple of guys who helicopter out when someone is getting a little too close for comfort, but other than that, you're right, it wouldn't be feasible to have so many men guarding a wall that very few people (if anyone) are trying to find anyway.

Quote from: W on May 07, 2009, 05:50:37 PM

Quote from: MisterHamper on May 07, 2009, 05:48:21 PM

LOL How do you guys know they spent exactly 47 million dollars?

I'm not actually sure where that number came from but I imagine it was estimated based on a number of factors.

Yeah right, ofcourse it was. That number came from someones ass is what it did.
You dont even know if they use GPS-airships or huge GPS-towers, or how they "protect" and "cover" the giant ice-wall. It could be anywhere from 50 million to 10 billion they should use. If they spent only 50 million, it would mean they could only hire 1000 men for 1 year.

I agree with this post, the FE theory has way to many speculations.
It would be fine to believe that the world is flat but nobody has just noticed it yet, but when you being up a conspiracy, then it gets ridiculous.