Speed of the Sun

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Speed of the Sun
« on: April 12, 2009, 11:29:50 PM »


Does this mean that the sun moves faster in the winter and slower in the summer?  What causes its speed change?  I'm not a physicists, so I am almost positivity using the wrong term, but isn't this a violation of the conservation of angular momentum?


EDIT NOTE:  Robosteve found and typo!1~
« Last Edit: April 13, 2009, 09:42:51 AM by Pongo »

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Re: Speed of the Sun
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2009, 02:33:59 AM »
The Earth has no angular momentum. It is the Sun which moves.
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Re: Speed of the Sun
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2009, 09:41:51 AM »
My bad, that's a total typo.   I'm going to edit that...

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« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2009, 03:44:26 PM »
The Earth has no angular momentum. It is the Sun which moves.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_momentum

I love how he quotes physics that have nothing to do with reality.

Yea, Im sure the books are full of physics explanations for a flat sun orbiting a fixed point, that can change speed and direction, and that manages never to veer off track, has perfect timing, and manages to cast a shadow which is NOT circular

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/sunearth.html

Lets see a 32 mile spotlight do that. And if you doubt the shape, try calling up webcams around the planet, see where the shadow falls.

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Re: Speed of the Sun
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2009, 03:57:47 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_momentum

I know what angular momentum is. Please try to express yourself using words rather than hyperlinks.

I love how he quotes physics that have nothing to do with reality.

Physics is, by definition, a representation of the real world. Moron.

Yea, Im sure the books are full of physics explanations for a flat sun orbiting a fixed point, that can change speed and direction, and that manages never to veer off track, has perfect timing

You mean like the Earth does in RET? (Well, orbiting a near as damn fixed point, if you discount the rotation of the galactic plane.)

and manages to cast a shadow which is NOT circular

Why would the Sun cast a shadow? I don't know what you see when you look into the sky during the daytime, but I typically have to shield my eyes from the continuous illumination provided by the Sun.

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/sunearth.html

Lets see a 32 mile spotlight do that. And if you doubt the shape, try calling up webcams around the planet, see where the shadow falls.

That is not a true representation of the shape of the Earth. Of course the image looks implausible. That's just as implausible a shape for RET unless you place that same pattern onto a globe. If you're going to use that diagram as evidence, at least put it onto a Flat Earth map to more clearly prove your point (or ours).
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« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2009, 04:01:40 PM »
please robosteve i require ur knowledge help me answer my question or any one what about the guardians

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« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2009, 05:59:27 PM »
please robosteve i require ur knowledge help me answer my question or any one what about the guardians


About the guardians...what?

About the guardians...and here's a million dollars?
About the guardians... and here's a new Ford truck?

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Re: Speed of the Sun
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2009, 02:10:05 PM »
No but it accurately represents the exposure the earth recieves from the sun. I'm pretty sure you know this and are just stalling for time.

Of course. But I can distort a map of the Earth into any weird shape and say that the pattern of exposure represented could not be the result of parallel rays hitting a sphere. In fact, that (vaguely sinusoidal) pattern could not be caused by any such simple system. Please give us an accurate representation of the shape of the light cast by the Sun on the Earth, not a distorted one.
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Re: Speed of the Sun
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2009, 02:33:44 PM »
Please reread my post above. It's what you were given. *sigh*

No, the shape of the Earth has been horribly distorted, and so, therefore, has the pattern. If you would like to explain why RET is any better at illuminating the Earth sinusoidally, be my guest.
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Re: Speed of the Sun
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2009, 02:57:16 PM »
Um I really can't help you anymore. If I was stood in the room beside you, I'd be able to guide your podgy fingers to click on the link I gave above, which takes you to a site where you can configure a map to show the earth as viewed from the poles.

Pretending to be retarded gets you put in the retards class.

That polar view is still off. The continents drop away to the sides, and you can't even see beyond the Equator. You'll really need to do better than that.
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Re: Speed of the Sun
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2009, 03:14:58 PM »


I see twenty different animations and no explanation given (by you) for any of them. Which do you want me to pay attention to, and what exactly is it showing me?
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Re: Speed of the Sun
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2009, 03:24:56 PM »
Search for posts marked "sunlight" by AmateurAstronomer.

I did. They were very interesting. As a matter of fact, I've read them all before. I don't know if you've noticed, but I've been here quite a while.

Now, would you care to explain to me what point you're trying to prove?
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Re: Speed of the Sun
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2009, 03:28:48 PM »
Right. So the last time you saw them you didn't understand them then either? ???

The point is there is no "spotlight sun" that can illuminate a flat earth in a way that is observed every minute of every day.

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Re: Speed of the Sun
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2009, 03:30:42 PM »
The point is there is no "spotlight sun" that can illuminate a flat earth in a way that is observed every minute of every day.

Oh yes, now I remember. You went off on such a tangent about searching for other people's posts which did nothing to prove your point that I had forgotten that you were once trying to show that. I assure you, the idea of a spotlight Sun is perfectly compatible with those diagrams.
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Re: Speed of the Sun
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2009, 03:37:04 PM »
As the diagrams show.

Post one that shows it, and explain why the idea of a spotlight Sun is incompatible with that diagram.
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« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2009, 03:54:39 PM »
I have. Look at the last graphic I posted.

Look at the pictures of the spotlight whirling above the earth. Look at the pictures of what actually happens. Note contradiction.

Frown. Post trollish reply.

What actually happens may still be explained by a spotlight Sun. You have not given any reason why it should not be.
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Re: Speed of the Sun
« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2009, 04:00:07 PM »
Except by showing you the maps which refute the notion of a spotlight sun you mean?

You have not explained how they refute it. Therefore, no refutation has been made.
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Re: Speed of the Sun
« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2009, 06:13:22 PM »
Sunlight occupies 50% of the earth at any one time. Even if a spotlight sun could do this, it would be unable to illuminate the sun as observed.

I wasn't aware that it was possible for sunlight to "occupy" a location. Also, why can't it illuminate - and I assume here you mean the Earth, and not the Sun - as observed?
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Re: Speed of the Sun
« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2009, 01:23:03 PM »
It's all laid out in the diagrams. A spotlight does exactly as the name suggests. It lights a spot.

A spot which need not be circular.
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« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2009, 06:02:01 AM »
Riiiiight. In which case it stops being a spot. And more of a... semicircle? I'd like to see where you're going to take this...

The idea of a Sun which illuminates a non-circular region of the Earth is perfectly compatible with those diagrams.
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« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2009, 06:31:55 AM »
Riiiiight. In which case it stops being a spot. And more of a... semicircle? I'd like to see where you're going to take this...

The idea of a Sun which illuminates a non-circular region of the Earth is perfectly compatible with those diagrams.

But the idea of a Sun which illuminates a non-circular region of the Earth is not compatible with reality.
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Re: Speed of the Sun
« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2009, 07:03:34 AM »
But the idea of a Sun which illuminates a non-circular region of the Earth is not compatible with reality.

So you've stopped believing in RET? Glad to hear it, I knew you'd come around.
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Re: Speed of the Sun
« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2009, 12:23:55 PM »
But the idea of a Sun which illuminates a non-circular region of the Earth is not compatible with reality.

So you've stopped believing in RET? Glad to hear it, I knew you'd come around.

When did I imply that?  ???
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Re: Speed of the Sun
« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2009, 08:07:45 PM »
When did I imply that?  ???

If the Sun lighting up a non-circular region of the Earth is incompatible with reality, that implies that either the Sun does not light up the Earth, or it lights up a perfectly circular region. Since RET fits into neither of those possibilities, you must have ceased to be a REer if you have made that claim.
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« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2009, 09:20:41 PM »
When did I imply that?  ???

If the Sun lighting up a non-circular region of the Earth is incompatible with reality, that implies that either the Sun does not light up the Earth, or it lights up a perfectly circular region. Since RET fits into neither of those possibilities, you must have ceased to be a REer if you have made that claim.

Since when does the sun not illuminate a circular region in RET?  I would propose that illuminating 1/2 of a sphere is pretty darned close to illuminating a circular region.
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« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2009, 09:23:22 PM »
Since when does the sun not illuminate a circular region in RET?  I would propose that illuminating 1/2 of a sphere is pretty darned close to illuminating a circular region.

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Please define the plane in which this circle you speak of exists.
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Re: Speed of the Sun
« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2009, 09:26:24 PM »
Since when does the sun not illuminate a circular region in RET?  I would propose that illuminating 1/2 of a sphere is pretty darned close to illuminating a circular region.

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A circle is a simple shape of Euclidean geometry consisting of those points in a plane which are the same distance from a given point called the centre.

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Please define the plane in which this circle you speak of exists.

That would be the day/night terminator.
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« Reply #27 on: April 16, 2009, 09:37:05 PM »
That would be the day/night terminator.

So the entire area which is illuminated is in this plane? It doesn't bulge out towards the Sun on the surface of a sphere?
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« Reply #28 on: April 16, 2009, 10:06:02 PM »
That would be the day/night terminator.

So the entire area which is illuminated is in this plane? It doesn't bulge out towards the Sun on the surface of a sphere?

I suppose that depends on whether we are talking about illuminating a 3 dimensional hemisphere or a 2 dimensional projection of that hemisphere, how strictly you want to define "circular region" and how much of a prick you want to be.
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Re: Speed of the Sun
« Reply #29 on: April 16, 2009, 10:06:52 PM »
I suppose that depends on whether we are talking about illuminating a 3 dimensional hemisphere or a 2 dimensional projection of that hemisphere, how strictly you want to define "circular region" and how much of a prick you want to be.

So now it's a hemisphere and not a circle? Make up your mind, please.
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