Shouldn't space flight be EASIER in FE?

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Re: Shouldn't space flight be EASIER in FE?
« Reply #30 on: April 18, 2009, 08:19:16 AM »
http://www.scaled.com/projects/tierone/video/X-Prize-flight-1.wmv

Private space flight, curvature of the edge of the Sun's spotlight is clearly seen.

Fix'd that for ya.

Pst. You do know that the "spotlight sun" isn't, nay can't, be a spotlight, and at best... in some kind of magical way... it's a semicircle.


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Re: Shouldn't space flight be EASIER in FE?
« Reply #31 on: April 18, 2009, 08:34:18 AM »
http://www.scaled.com/projects/tierone/video/X-Prize-flight-1.wmv

Private space flight, curvature of the edge of the Sun's spotlight is clearly seen.

Fix'd that for ya.
And that flight helps FET.  Why don't they go to orbit?

How does that help FET? They did not go into orbit as the X-Prize dictated a series of paramiters that Spaceship One met or exceeded orbit was not one of them. It was to create a Reusable Space Vehicle by the private sector. Space travel is inherantly dangerous and exceptionally expensive (yes I must have drank the NASA cool aid) This is a tremendous advancement for the independant rocketeer, Burt Rutan has done an amazing thing. There are other private sector companies working on this as well.  

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Re: Shouldn't space flight be EASIER in FE?
« Reply #32 on: April 18, 2009, 10:25:21 AM »
Just out of interest, since flat earthers maintain that the planet earth is continually accelerating upwards, how fast is the earth currently travelling?

Relative to what?
Since you are avoiding answering I assume that you can't.

I can't answer your question because you haven't given sufficient information. When you tell me what the velocity you want is relative to, I'll be able to help you.
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Re: Shouldn't space flight be EASIER in FE?
« Reply #33 on: April 19, 2009, 01:34:42 AM »
Thanks Steve, I will have to try that answer the next time I get stopped for speeding:

Police officer: Do you know how fast you were going sir?
Me: Relative to what?
Police officer: You're nicked, and clinically insane!

It is generally accepted that vehicular speeds are measured relative to the surface on which they are travelling. For the Earth, there is no such sensible frame of reference for measuring its velocity - except, of course, that of the Earth itself, in which case it is not moving.
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Re: Shouldn't space flight be EASIER in FE?
« Reply #34 on: April 19, 2009, 02:30:09 AM »
Brilliant attempt to avoid the question.

Please learn some basic mechanics. There is no such thing as absolute velocity. Unless you specify what you want the Earth's motion relative to, I cannot help you.
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Re: Shouldn't space flight be EASIER in FE?
« Reply #35 on: April 19, 2009, 09:51:50 AM »
Thanks Steve, I will have to try that answer the next time I get stopped for speeding:

Police officer: Do you know how fast you were going sir?
Me: Relative to what?
Police officer: You're nicked, and clinically insane!

It is generally accepted that vehicular speeds are measured relative to the surface on which they are travelling. For the Earth, there is no such sensible frame of reference for measuring its velocity - except, of course, that of the Earth itself, in which case it is not moving.

Okay then.... how about relative to the source of the Dark Energy?
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Re: Shouldn't space flight be EASIER in FE?
« Reply #36 on: April 19, 2009, 02:25:41 PM »
The basic point being?
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Re: Shouldn't space flight be EASIER in FE?
« Reply #37 on: April 19, 2009, 06:39:20 PM »
Okay then.... how about relative to the source of the Dark Energy?

My personal view is that Dark Energy does not have a velocity to speak of. It exists throughout the Universe, and is like a wind insofar as large objects may shield smaller ones from its effects, but it is unlike a wind in that it is not made of solid matter which is moving - rather, it is a force which does not have a source but is an inherent property of the Universe.

Other FEers may have differing views, however.

You cannot help me, because the earth is not accelerating. You are trying to divert the converation away from this basic point, but very badly  ;D

I am not trying to divert the conversation away from anything. I cannot answer a question if you do not provide me with sufficient information to give you the answer you desire.
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Re: Shouldn't space flight be EASIER in FE?
« Reply #38 on: April 20, 2009, 06:10:49 AM »
Okay then.... how about relative to the source of the Dark Energy?

My personal view is that Dark Energy does not have a velocity to speak of. It exists throughout the Universe, and is like a wind insofar as large objects may shield smaller ones from its effects, but it is unlike a wind in that it is not made of solid matter which is moving - rather, it is a force which does not have a source but is an inherent property of the Universe.

Other FEers may have differing views, however.

You cannot help me, because the earth is not accelerating. You are trying to divert the converation away from this basic point, but very badly  ;D

Indeed it must behave like wind in order to wrap around the edge of the Earth and affect the Sun, which is otherwise shielded by the Earth itself.  How is it, though, that it loses none of its accelerating potential when it does this? 

I am not trying to divert the conversation away from anything. I cannot answer a question if you do not provide me with sufficient information to give you the answer you desire.
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Re: Shouldn't space flight be EASIER in FE?
« Reply #39 on: April 20, 2009, 06:13:54 AM »
Indeed it must behave like wind in order to wrap around the edge of the Earth and affect the Sun, which is otherwise shielded by the Earth itself.  How is it, though, that it loses none of its accelerating potential when it does this?

Why should it?
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Re: Shouldn't space flight be EASIER in FE?
« Reply #40 on: April 20, 2009, 05:38:34 PM »
As the dark energy passes around the edge of the disc, it begins to move (radiate?) at an angle, as it must eventually close up on itself in order to keep the Sun in the sky.  Using your wind analogy, if a person is standing with his back pressed against a wall as a strong wind blows against the other side, the wind wraps around the wall, but the man feels little to no wind on him.  If however, he were to start to walk away from the wall, he'll slowly feel a strengthening wind as he approaches the point where the wind, wrapping around the wall, will close in on itself, and he'll eventually reach a distance from the wall where the wind is at its usual strength.  For the dark energy 'wind' this must be a point less than three thousand miles above the Earth's surface, as the Sun is affected the same amount by the dark energy as other celestial bodies are.  But if dark energy does behave so much like a wind, there is no absolute barrier where dark energy does not affect a body on one side and it does on the other.  It should be a gradual increase - this would make flight, and indeed space flight, considerably easier than on a Round Earth.
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Re: Shouldn't space flight be EASIER in FE?
« Reply #41 on: April 22, 2009, 01:46:47 PM »
http://www.scaled.com/projects/tierone/video/X-Prize-flight-1.wmv

Private space flight, curvature of the Earth is clearly seen.


Private space flight, lasers are clearly seen.



And?...You know we do have lasers, and they work in space (at least theoretically)
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Re: Shouldn't space flight be EASIER in FE?
« Reply #42 on: April 23, 2009, 01:41:26 AM »
And?...You know we do have lasers, and they work in space (at least theoretically)

Yes, but they don't look like that.
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Re: Shouldn't space flight be EASIER in FE?
« Reply #43 on: April 23, 2009, 03:33:44 AM »
Private space flight, lasers are clearly seen.



Looks like space to me, right Delthan? Can't be fake at all.
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Re: Shouldn't space flight be EASIER in FE?
« Reply #44 on: April 23, 2009, 05:13:23 AM »
Private space flight, lasers are clearly seen.



Looks like space to me, right Delthan? Can't be fake at all.

And that has what to do with my post? If you actually read them, I'm trying to explain that given how phsyics works in the FE theory it should be easier to undergo spaceflight in said theory.  I haven't mentioned anything about space footage, computer generated or not.

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Re: Shouldn't space flight be EASIER in FE?
« Reply #45 on: April 23, 2009, 06:41:45 AM »
And?...You know we do have lasers, and they work in space (at least theoretically)

Yes, but they don't look like that.

Actually, those aren't lasers.  They're particle beam weapons.  Big difference.
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Re: Shouldn't space flight be EASIER in FE?
« Reply #46 on: April 23, 2009, 08:15:32 AM »
And that has what to do with my post?

Surely you should be the one to prove that these pictures are fake?

Logically, it follows that being introduced to fake data gives reason to suspect more data as being not genuine.
 
If you actually read them, I'm trying to explain that given how phsyics works in the FE theory it should be easier to undergo spaceflight in said theory.

There are no "physics that work in the FE theory." Physics is physics. And what part of outrunning the Earth is easier?
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Re: Shouldn't space flight be EASIER in FE?
« Reply #47 on: April 23, 2009, 11:04:51 AM »
Physics is physics.

All physics says the earth is spherical. Does this mean we close the site?

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Re: Shouldn't space flight be EASIER in FE?
« Reply #48 on: April 23, 2009, 11:05:36 AM »
All physics says the earth is spherical. Does this mean we close the site?

Please explain how Newton's first law of motion describes the Earth as being spherical.
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Re: Shouldn't space flight be EASIER in FE?
« Reply #49 on: April 23, 2009, 11:08:17 AM »
All physics says the earth is spherical. Does this mean we close the site?

Please explain how Newton's first law of motion describes the Earth as being spherical.

Why should I have to do your work for you? Can you show that it doesn't?

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Re: Shouldn't space flight be EASIER in FE?
« Reply #50 on: April 23, 2009, 11:26:55 AM »
And that has what to do with my post?

Surely you should be the one to prove that these pictures are fake?

Logically, it follows that being introduced to fake data gives reason to suspect more data as being not genuine.
 
If you actually read them, I'm trying to explain that given how phsyics works in the FE theory it should be easier to undergo spaceflight in said theory.

There are no "physics that work in the FE theory." Physics is physics. And what part of outrunning the Earth is easier?


Given that I can momentarily do so every time I jump and planes can manage to do so for several minutes, surely a rocket could manage it quite easily? Like I said, as soon as you reach the Dark Energy, you will no longer need to create your own upward acceleration.  The Dark Energy will now do it for you, all that is required is to reach it, which should be easier the closer to the edge of the world you are.


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Re: Shouldn't space flight be EASIER in FE?
« Reply #51 on: April 23, 2009, 11:40:51 AM »
All physics says the earth is spherical. Does this mean we close the site?

Please explain how Newton's first law of motion describes the Earth as being spherical.

Also, while your at it, explain how Newton's law of cooling describes the Earth as being spherical.
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Re: Shouldn't space flight be EASIER in FE?
« Reply #52 on: April 23, 2009, 12:24:08 PM »
Also, while your at it, explain how Newton's law of cooling describes the Earth as being spherical.

Why should I do your work for you?

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Re: Shouldn't space flight be EASIER in FE?
« Reply #53 on: April 23, 2009, 12:33:51 PM »
Also, while your at it, explain how Newton's law of cooling describes the Earth as being spherical.

Why should I do your work for you?

Because you're the one who has made the claim that
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All physics says the earth is spherical.
And it is your duty to back up your claim.


Also, I agree with the OP that spaceflight should be easier on the FE.
I don't know what you're implying, but you're probably wrong.

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Re: Shouldn't space flight be EASIER in FE?
« Reply #54 on: April 23, 2009, 12:50:53 PM »
And it is your duty to back up your claim.

No I don't need to back anything up. It is you who is claiming I am wrong. Prove it.

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Re: Shouldn't space flight be EASIER in FE?
« Reply #55 on: April 23, 2009, 04:10:04 PM »
OFF TOPIC:
And it is your duty to back up your claim.

No I don't need to back anything up. It is you who is claiming I am wrong. Prove it.

Where did I claim you were wrong?
All I did was gave an example of some physics that you claimed said the Earth was spherical, and asked you to show me how exactly Newton's law of cooling says the Earth was spherical.


ON TOPIC:
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Given that I can momentarily do so every time I jump and planes can manage to do so for several minutes, surely a rocket could manage it quite easily? Like I said, as soon as you reach the Dark Energy, you will no longer need to create your own upward acceleration.  The Dark Energy will now do it for you, all that is required is to reach it, which should be easier the closer to the edge of the world you are.

If the Dark Energy does meet up again to accelerate the other planets and the sun/moon, I also don't see why we can't reach the Dark Energy and hitch a ride.
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Re: Shouldn't space flight be EASIER in FE?
« Reply #56 on: April 23, 2009, 04:43:01 PM »
OFF TOPIC:
And it is your duty to back up your claim.

No I don't need to back anything up. It is you who is claiming I am wrong. Prove it.

Where did I claim you were wrong?
All I did was gave an example of some physics that you claimed said the Earth was spherical, and asked you to show me how exactly Newton's law of cooling says the Earth was spherical.


ON TOPIC:
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Given that I can momentarily do so every time I jump and planes can manage to do so for several minutes, surely a rocket could manage it quite easily? Like I said, as soon as you reach the Dark Energy, you will no longer need to create your own upward acceleration.  The Dark Energy will now do it for you, all that is required is to reach it, which should be easier the closer to the edge of the world you are.

If the Dark Energy does meet up again to accelerate the other planets and the sun/moon, I also don't see why we can't reach the Dark Energy and hitch a ride.

Exactly my point, space flight should be considerably easier in FE. 

With that in mind, could it be possible that the Moon landings were NOT fake, and that man really did get there? Perhaps the financial gain that the conspirators are receiving is in fact from all the unnecessary funding that went into the Apollo and similar programs - they didn't need the resources for a 300,000 km  just a 3000 mile one, and Dark Energy did the rest for them?  ;)
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Re: Shouldn't space flight be EASIER in FE?
« Reply #57 on: April 23, 2009, 05:05:18 PM »
No I don't need to back anything up. It is you who is claiming I am wrong. Prove it.

You have come on this site claiming we are wrong. You need to provide evidence or GTFO.
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Re: Shouldn't space flight be EASIER in FE?
« Reply #58 on: April 24, 2009, 08:32:32 AM »
Where did I claim you were wrong?

Thankyou for agreeing that I am correct. Now as Robo says "GTFO".

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Re: Shouldn't space flight be EASIER in FE?
« Reply #59 on: April 24, 2009, 10:02:30 AM »
ON TOPIC:
If the Dark Energy does meet up again to accelerate the other planets and the sun/moon, I also don't see why we can't reach the Dark Energy and hitch a ride.

Exactly my point, space flight should be considerably easier in FE. 

With that in mind, could it be possible that the Moon landings were NOT fake, and that man really did get there? Perhaps the financial gain that the conspirators are receiving is in fact from all the unnecessary funding that went into the Apollo and similar programs - they didn't need the resources for a 300,000 km  just a 3000 mile one, and Dark Energy did the rest for them?  ;)
Now, I don't know that real moon landings would be possible on such a small body as the moon, being only 32 miles across.


OFF TOPIC:
Where did I claim you were wrong?

Thankyou for agreeing that I am correct. Now as Robo says "GTFO".

I definitely didn't say you were correct, I'm sorry if I've misled you.  I just wanted some further clarification before I rendered my judgement.  You seem so confident that you understand Newton's law of cooling so much better than I.  I just wanted you to impart some of your understanding upon me.
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