Why Flat?

There seem to be arguments for the earth being both flat and round but I want to know why you think that it is flat in the first place? Basically instead of telling me why you think it is flat tell me why you don't think it is round!

There seem to be arguments for the earth being both flat and round but I want to know why you think that it is flat in the first place? Basically instead of telling me why you think it is flat tell me why you don't think it is round!

Why would we? Intuitively, and from everyday observation, the Earth seems flat.

I'm sorry, but it really doesn't.

I'm sorry, but it really doesn't.

I have to agree, it seems the world is pretty convinced of a globular existence.  Minus "conspiracy" and ensuing brainwashing, the ratio of RE'ers to FE'ers  is enough to show contrary to your claim of intuitive flat-earth belief.  Could you elaborate and explain in better detail why you think otherwise?

I'm sure Dionysios(sic?) could answer this much better than anyone else on here.  Infact, I would like him to do so.  If he doesn't see this topic, I will give him a private message to post here.

I have to agree, it seems the world is pretty convinced of a globular existence.  Minus "conspiracy" and ensuing brainwashing, the ratio of RE'ers to FE'ers  is enough to show contrary to your claim of intuitive flat-earth belief.  Could you elaborate and explain in better detail why you think otherwise?

Why minus conspiracy brainwashing? Said washing is ENTIRELY the reason for the ratio of FE:RE believers!

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I have to agree, it seems the world is pretty convinced of a globular existence.  Minus "conspiracy" and ensuing brainwashing, the ratio of RE'ers to FE'ers  is enough to show contrary to your claim of intuitive flat-earth belief.  Could you elaborate and explain in better detail why you think otherwise?

Why minus conspiracy brainwashing? Said washing is ENTIRELY the reason for the ratio of FE:RE believers!

Nevermind for a moment that we live in an age with the free sharing of information and that widescale brainwashing would not only be incredibly difficult and costly, but dangerous for conspiring governments to allow.  That aside, why is the ratio so incredibly high?

To throw some numbers into the pot, let's assume that the FE's estimate of 12B people are on the planet, 6B are under the direct employ of conspiring governments.  6,000,000,000 remaining and only about 3,000 of them are confirmed believers in a flat earth.  That's 0.00005% (1:2,000,000) that share your beliefs.  Some universal truths about reality include it being very difficult to hide the truth (and impossible, given a long-enough timeline).  With as advanced and as old a race as we are, less than one ten-thousandth percent of the public put any solid faith behind the FE beliefs.  That's a hell of a brainwashing, wouldn't you say?

Nevermind for a moment that we live in an age with the free sharing of information and that widescale brainwashing would not only be incredibly difficult and costly, but dangerous for conspiring governments to allow.  That aside, why is the ratio so incredibly high?

Free information sharing, yes. But what information we share with eachother is subtley manipulated by the conspiracy in a plethora of ways. For starters, the conspiracy controls basically all world governments. Any government with an education system will spread it's wacky Round Earth lies to the entire educated population of their nation through schooling. Why disbelieve your Physics professor - he or she probably has a PhD. or a B.S or a doctorate or something.

Secondly, the conspiracy controls the media - not through direct censorship but simply because almost all major news organizations are owned by elements of the conspiracy. Sure, lunatic fringe groups like us here at FES can share the truth, but who's going to believe us over some respected newspaper or TV station?

To throw some numbers into the pot, let's assume that the FE's estimate of 12B people are on the planet, 6B are under the direct employ of conspiring governments.  6,000,000,000 remaining and only about 3,000 of them are confirmed believers in a flat earth.  That's 0.00005% (1:2,000,000) that share your beliefs.  Some universal truths about reality include it being very difficult to hide the truth (and impossible, given a long-enough timeline).  With as advanced and as old a race as we are, less than one ten-thousandth percent of the public put any solid faith behind the FE beliefs.  That's a hell of a brainwashing, wouldn't you say?

It is a hell of a brainwashing. By the way, the population of Earth is closer to 6 Billion.

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Nevermind for a moment that we live in an age with the free sharing of information and that widescale brainwashing would not only be incredibly difficult and costly, but dangerous for conspiring governments to allow.  That aside, why is the ratio so incredibly high?

Free information sharing, yes. But what information we share with eachother is subtley manipulated by the conspiracy in a plethora of ways. For starters, the conspiracy controls basically all world governments. Any government with an education system will spread it's wacky Round Earth lies to the entire educated population of their nation through schooling. Why disbelieve your Physics professor - he or she probably has a PhD. or a B.S or a doctorate or something.

Secondly, the conspiracy controls the media - not through direct censorship but simply because almost all major news organizations are owned by elements of the conspiracy. Sure, lunatic fringe groups like us here at FES can share the truth, but who's going to believe us over some respected newspaper or TV station?

I'm becoming considerably more and more disappointed that anything you don't have a reasonable argument for becomes a matter of conspiracy cover-up.  You can't cover everything up, it's not possible.  I'm here for a scientific debate about facts and data in support of your radical theories.

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To throw some numbers into the pot, let's assume that the FE's estimate of 12B people are on the planet, 6B are under the direct employ of conspiring governments.  6,000,000,000 remaining and only about 3,000 of them are confirmed believers in a flat earth.  That's 0.00005% (1:2,000,000) that share your beliefs.  Some universal truths about reality include it being very difficult to hide the truth (and impossible, given a long-enough timeline).  With as advanced and as old a race as we are, less than one ten-thousandth percent of the public put any solid faith behind the FE beliefs.  That's a hell of a brainwashing, wouldn't you say?

It is a hell of a brainwashing. By the way, the population of Earth is closer to 6 Billion.

If you were to ask me, that's the answer I'd give, but I'm quoting a hypothetical figure from a FE'er (Antartica thread).  With half the number of people, that's still a huge ratio and the point remains.