Can Anyone Explain Geology?

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Graham_evo

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Can Anyone Explain Geology?
« on: February 21, 2009, 05:30:22 AM »
Does this flat Earth still have a solid, Iron Based core?

How come we can triangulate, to within a few Micrometers, the position of any vibration in the Earth using a Round Earth mathematical modeling equation? Secondary, this mathematical system can be derived from first principles (therefore self proving) and performed by a persons mental capability, no computers involved.

Using the same modeling simulation as above, How can we also determine the depth, chemical constituencies and temperature of the Earth below the surface (I have read the FAQ's and seen that there is still rock, magnetic fields etc. etc.) which is based upon the Round Earth (again, self-proving mathematics)

How can you explain Mass and it's effect with regards to Aerodynamics and Gravity. The theorem of the Earth simply moving in a (Relative to our position) Vertical direction cannot explain this. May need a re-think or for a person with a greater understanding of physics, maths and energy to explain this.

How are Aftershocks explained?

How are Meteorites explained? Again this will need a person of 'Larger' understanding to explain or suggest a re-thought model to the 'Gravity' system.

How are Quarks, Bosons and General Atom and Atomic Particle interactions with the Earth explained (Do not comment if you do not have a Physics degree - Simply studying at high school will not suffice here, as I have a much greater understanding than you. Sorry)

How does the FE theory explain the accurate discovery and proven theories of ''Pi'' using a RE model?

If the Earth is flat, then we can travel in a known straight line and prove this. How come you say it is impossible to prove - more to the point, what are your qualifications, knowledge and experience to back this theory up and make credible all of your other theories and allow you to make 'Off-Hand' and quite frankly 'Childish' explanations valid and plausible with no evidence, reasoning or logic. It's the same as saying I cooked breakfast, then you simply stating that I did not cook breakfast, it simply fell out the sky Because You Say So. I'm sorry, but this attitude just doesn't stand when trying to prove your point and defend what you say when you are challenged.

I look forward to your replies.





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Ravenwood240

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Re: Can Anyone Explain Geology?
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2009, 08:45:51 AM »
Does this flat Earth still have a solid, Iron Based core?

How come we can triangulate, to within a few Micrometers, the position of any vibration in the Earth using a Round Earth mathematical modeling equation? Secondary, this mathematical system can be derived from first principles (therefore self proving) and performed by a persons mental capability, no computers involved.

Using the same modeling simulation as above, How can we also determine the depth, chemical constituencies and temperature of the Earth below the surface (I have read the FAQ's and seen that there is still rock, magnetic fields etc. etc.) which is based upon the Round Earth (again, self-proving mathematics)

How can you explain Mass and it's effect with regards to Aerodynamics and Gravity. The theorem of the Earth simply moving in a (Relative to our position) Vertical direction cannot explain this. May need a re-think or for a person with a greater understanding of physics, maths and energy to explain this.

How are Aftershocks explained?

How are Meteorites explained? Again this will need a person of 'Larger' understanding to explain or suggest a re-thought model to the 'Gravity' system.

How are Quarks, Bosons and General Atom and Atomic Particle interactions with the Earth explained (Do not comment if you do not have a Physics degree - Simply studying at high school will not suffice here, as I have a much greater understanding than you. Sorry)

How does the FE theory explain the accurate discovery and proven theories of ''Pi'' using a RE model?

If the Earth is flat, then we can travel in a known straight line and prove this. How come you say it is impossible to prove - more to the point, what are your qualifications, knowledge and experience to back this theory up and make credible all of your other theories and allow you to make 'Off-Hand' and quite frankly 'Childish' explanations valid and plausible with no evidence, reasoning or logic. It's the same as saying I cooked breakfast, then you simply stating that I did not cook breakfast, it simply fell out the sky Because You Say So. I'm sorry, but this attitude just doesn't stand when trying to prove your point and defend what you say when you are challenged.

I look forward to your replies.






Now this, this is a good post, except for that last paragraph.  Solid questions with some basis in them... and then you got all emo again.  Sigh.  I was so impressed, too.

Now, is there anything in your first question that cannot be done in a FE model?  I haven't actually looked at the math for it, so this is an honest question.  Would that same math find the vibrations in a FE?

Same question for the second paragraph.  Would those same techniques work in a FE model?
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JoshuaZ

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Re: Can Anyone Explain Geology?
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2009, 04:51:12 PM »
Responding to both the OP and Ravenwood since they both raise points that need to be addressed.

Does this flat Earth still have a solid, Iron Based core?

How come we can triangulate, to within a few Micrometers, the position of any vibration in the Earth using a Round Earth mathematical modeling equation?


Um,  micrometers? Really? Vibrational sources are rarely even defined to that level of precision (explosions and earthquakes are much larger). Simple earthquake triangulation generally works within a few kilometers, not micrometers. There are way too many unknowns for that level of precision in general.

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Secondary, this mathematical system can be derived from first principles (therefore self proving) and performed by a persons mental capability, no computers involved.

Stronger than that. The math can be done by a highschool student. In fact, when I've tutored kids in geometry before I've given this as an example of something they can do (although simplified to only using three stations of known approximate distance from each other and over a small enough area that the Earth can be assumed to be flat. If you have more than 3 stations or if you try to do this over a larger area and use actual data you will get nonsense). The technology to measure points accurately enough to detect vibrations roughly isn't easy but it is reasonably doable as a hobby object by someone with a decent engineering background and time on their hands.

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How does the FE theory explain the accurate discovery and proven theories of ''Pi'' using a RE model?

Can you explain what you mean here? Whether or not the Earth is flat doesn't alter the value of Pi at all.


Now, is there anything in your first question that cannot be done in a FE model?  I haven't actually looked at the math for it, so this is an honest question.  Would that same math find the vibrations in a FE?


More or less the answer to this is no. They would not agree.

Ok, let's back this up a bit:

Vibration sources create a variety of different types of vibrations. The most easy to understand and to study are P waves, S waves and Surface Waves. P waves are the standard wave you think about when visualizing vibrations through an elastic medium (think a series of shock waves). P waves have vibrations which are parallel to the direction of travel. S-waves move perpendicular to the direction of travel and they are a bit harder to intuit. Finally, surface waves are waves that travel along the surface (or really along any point where there is a transition between substances).

Assume we are in a reasonably not that large area so that we don't need to worry too much about whether the Earth is flat or not (say North America for our purposes).  You can then triangulate the location of a vibration source based on any one of the three waves by timing the delay. We can calculate and confirm quite easily the times it takes for all three types of waves to propagate. Now,
if we have many different locations that are checking for vibrations we can get very precise data. Here's where this becomes a problem for FE. The numbers will  be substantially different for FE and RE. This is before we get to looking at things on a larger scale.

Moreover, for large vibration sources (say decent size earthquakes and nuclear explosions) we can map pretty precisely where the sources are compared to each other without regard to looking at surface waves (using just S and P). This gives us an approximate location in 3 dimensions (you need 4 observation points to triangulate in 3 dimensions  but in practice there are many world wide). This builds a decent 3-picture of sources. If the earth were flat you would get all the points lying on the same plane. But you don't, they form a sphere roughly. There's no way to place points in this fashion. You do need to know roughly the relative location of some of the stations but you can do this easily with some of the stations being only a few hundred miles apart. Moreover, if your initial assumptions in that regard are wrong you would quickly end up with nonsense and contradictory numbers.

There are other wave types you can use to confirm this such as looking for Love waves and Rayleigh waves. This gives completely consistent data with the RE seismology. The numbers for these just won't work on a flat earth. 

I'm not even dealing with the use of these techniques to map inside the Earth because the FE model fails even before we get to that point. The fact that the RE model gives us further consistent predictions in that regard is simply icing on the cake.

Now, an FEer could claim that the geologists at every major university and at all the testing stations are in on the conspiracy and are altering the data. As I've remarked before, if the world is flat the conspiracy is much much larger than just the space programs.

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Graham_evo

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Re: Can Anyone Explain Geology?
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2009, 05:45:04 AM »
I agree with the above - I'm pleased to see that someone can understand what I was asking.

Ok, it would be interesting to list all of the areas/companies that would have to be involved in this conspiracy to make the public believe the Earth is round, not the Flat model being put forward here. I will take a guess that it can't be fully listed but might be worth a thread...

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JoshuaZ

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Re: Can Anyone Explain Geology?
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2009, 10:31:24 AM »
I agree with the above - I'm pleased to see that someone can understand what I was asking.


Well partially. I'm still confused by what you meant about Pi.

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Re: Can Anyone Explain Geology?
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2009, 07:05:01 AM »
Now this, this is a good post, except for that last paragraph.  Solid questions with some basis in them... and then you got all emo again.  Sigh.  I was so impressed, too.

Now, is there anything in your first question that cannot be done in a FE model?  I haven't actually looked at the math for it, so this is an honest question.  Would that same math find the vibrations in a FE?

Same question for the second paragraph.  Would those same techniques work in a FE model?

While the phsyics would work (since the medium is the same) the results would vary. Think about how a tsunami moves from an epicentre. REther predicts it physically correct (radiating waves of equal velocity) FEearth has to invent ad hoc rules to explain away the problem.