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« on: June 13, 2006, 09:57:12 AM »
I didn't think that posting this in a somewhat unrelated topic would do much, so here goes. What is the Flat-Earth model for the death of a star? The round-earth model (with round stars) show that the stars can either explode (Supernova), expand and cool to form a Red Giant, which eventually forms a White Dwarf, or form a Neutron star. Now, of these three, two (White Dwarf and Neutron Star) can form a Black Hole - An object whose mass is so great, and its gravity so powerful, that not even light can escape it (Do black holes exist in the flat-earth model?)

And the Supernova can form a Nebula, which in turn can form another galaxy eventually.

(I know this is drawn out, but, uh, yeah...)

So, if the Sun in the Flat-Earth Model is flat as well, does it go through any of these phases? Will it eventually become a Red Giant, and then a Neutron star due to the fusion of Hydrogen/Helium into Iron (an element that is at a key atomic mass - it cannot undergo Fission, nor Fusion)?

I can't see the Sun being flat. I also cannot see it being the size that you claim for it to be in the Flat-Earth model. Wouldn't the vaccuum of space draw all of its energy away from it? If it was truly that small, it wouldn't be able to burn for very long at all before losing all of its energy to the "cold" reaches of Space.


Just a few points to think on.
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« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2006, 02:07:49 PM »
You obviously think you are  more inteligent than you are...

For the 'standard model' you generalize, is based on assumptions, and what you have said would be considdered, even by astronomers, utter bolshit
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« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2006, 02:08:09 PM »
You obviously think you are  more inteligent than you are...

For the 'standard model' you generalize, is based on assumptions, and what you have said would be considdered, even by astronomers, utter bolshit
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« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2006, 02:28:54 PM »
Great rebuttal.
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« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2006, 07:08:13 PM »
I know my limits.. and I do not quote things that I do not know. Don't ever claim that I think something that I truly don't. And... why haven't I managed to get any replies from the more intelligent people on this forum?
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« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2006, 08:59:09 PM »
I don't believe it is stated anywhere that the sun is flat.  I don't suppose the death of a star would be any different in FE theory.
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« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2006, 09:00:45 PM »
The problem is... it would be. Stars die because gravity causes them to collapse inward. This is also how black holes are formed.

Unless the FE theory has the entire universe compressing inward on objects like that... I don't see it happening.
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« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2006, 09:03:40 PM »
Quote from: "Paradoxical"
Stars die because gravity causes them to collapse inward.


That's one way they die.  More generally, it's because they've run out of fuel.  Assuming that stars do run out of fuel, they will eventually die, even if gravity doesn't exist.
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« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2006, 09:15:01 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_dwarf


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The core, no longer supported against gravitational collapse by fusion reactions, becomes extremely dense, with a typical mass of that of the sun contained in a volume about equal to that of the Earth
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« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2006, 09:16:03 PM »
Quote from: "Paradoxical"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_dwarf


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The core, no longer supported against gravitational collapse by fusion reactions, becomes extremely dense, with a typical mass of that of the sun contained in a volume about equal to that of the Earth


Sorry, what's your point?
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« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2006, 09:47:55 PM »
My whole point in this thread is that the lack of gravity in the FE model is bogus.
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« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2006, 09:49:11 PM »
Quote from: "Paradoxical"
My whole point in this thread is that the lack of gravity in the FE model is bogus.


Well I got that.  What was the point about the link to the page on white dwarves?
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« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2006, 09:49:54 PM »
Oh, just to show where I quoted that from
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« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2006, 09:50:38 PM »
Prove stars exist, then I will answer your question.
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« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2006, 09:52:26 PM »
Quote from: "Paradoxical"
Oh, just to show where I quoted that from


Ah, I see.... what was the point of the quote?
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« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2006, 09:56:30 PM »
If stars don't exist, then what is the sun?


And... I already explained the point of the quote...

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The core, no longer supported against gravitational collapse by fusion reactions, becomes extremely dense, with a typical mass of that of the sun contained in a volume about equal to that of the Earth


Quote from: "Paradoxical"
My whole point in this thread is that the lack of gravity in the FE model is bogus.
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« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2006, 10:01:06 PM »
This quote:

Quote from: "Paradoxical"
The core, no longer supported against gravitational collapse by fusion reactions, becomes extremely dense, with a typical mass of that of the sun contained in a volume about equal to that of the Earth


does not support this point:

Quote from: "Paradoxical"
My whole point in this thread is that the lack of gravity in the FE model is bogus.


Even if the quote is true, doesn't mean gravity exists.  In particular, it doesn't imply that the Earth ought to have gravity.  The FE model only says that the Earth doesn't generate a gravitational field, not that no objects generate gravitational fields.
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« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2006, 10:07:08 PM »
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The FE model only says that the Earth doesn't generate a gravitational field, not that no objects generate gravitational fields.


How does that work?
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« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2006, 10:25:12 PM »
Wasn't it said that gravity didn't really occur anywhere? But that everything in the universe was moving upwards at the same speed?


Forget the bit about Stellar Parallax... I wasn't thinking straight. Apologies.
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« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2006, 11:04:03 PM »
FE just says that gravitation isn't universeal; it doesn't seem to have a particularly strong stance on whether it exists at all.
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« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2006, 11:08:57 PM »
So, then, does the FE model show our Sun as being a true star? Do they even exist in the FE model? Our Sun must be far too small to be a true star, if the FE model is correct.
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« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2006, 11:16:48 PM »
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So, then, does the FE model show our Sun as being a true star? Do they even exist in the FE model? Our Sun must be far too small to be a true star, if the FE model is correct.


I'm not sure what's so different about "true stars".  Certainly the sun is not the sort of star that RE scientists describe.
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« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2006, 12:33:16 AM »
What kind of star is it?
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« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2006, 09:20:21 AM »
Do stars as RE scientists describe them really exist, then? Or is that all a lie, in your opinion?
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« Reply #24 on: June 15, 2006, 05:40:00 PM »
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Do stars as RE scientists describe them really exist, then? Or is that all a lie, in your opinion?


Since you're asking two questions, I'll give you two answers:

Stars as RE scientists describe are denied by FEers to exists.

It's not a lie, in my opinion.
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« Reply #25 on: June 15, 2006, 05:43:28 PM »
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Quote from: "Paradoxical"
So, then, does the FE model show our Sun as being a true star? Do they even exist in the FE model? Our Sun must be far too small to be a true star, if the FE model is correct.


I'm not sure what's so different about "true stars".  Certainly the sun is not the sort of star that RE scientists describe.


this quote has nothing really to do with what im going to say, just wanted to point you out.

if you dont beleieve the sun is a star, then how come almost every FE'r says its going to turn into a red dwarf, destroying earth.
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« Reply #26 on: June 15, 2006, 05:48:04 PM »
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if you dont beleieve the sun is a star, then how come almost every FE'r says its going to turn into a red dwarf, destroying earth.


Which FEers say that?
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« Reply #27 on: June 15, 2006, 05:52:04 PM »
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if you dont beleieve the sun is a star, then how come almost every FE'r says its going to turn into a red dwarf, destroying earth.


Which FEers say that?


i cant pin point every one out, but ill make a post for FE'ers asking if they beleive the sun will explode, but you cant make a post saying what they should believe, because they'll automatcaly follow you. Just dont post in it.
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« Reply #28 on: June 15, 2006, 05:56:55 PM »
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you cant make a post saying what they should believe, because they'll automatcaly follow you.


It's flattering that you think so, but it's totally false.  None of the FEers on this forum agree with my beliefs.
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« Reply #29 on: June 15, 2006, 05:59:30 PM »
we'll see.

they follow you because you are in power and sound smarter, its kind of like how those little gophers or groundhogs race off the edge of a cliff because they dont want to be left behind

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