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« on: October 19, 2008, 06:38:47 AM »
So, what religious affiliation would you call a person who doesn't know what to believe because nothing is concrete, anything is possible, and everything is uncertain?  If that doesn't make sense, I can elaborate.

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Re: Other?
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2008, 06:43:23 AM »
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Re: Other?
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2008, 06:54:30 AM »
I thought Agnostic was no religion?

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Re: Other?
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2008, 06:56:42 AM »
An agnostic who believes in magic.

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Re: Other?
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2008, 07:10:12 AM »
::) I believe anything is possible.  Nothing is certain; for all we know, the right answer could be a mix of Morman belief and Buddhism.  Whatever that would be.

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Re: Other?
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2008, 07:13:06 AM »
Atheist is no religion, agnostic isn't sure either way
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Re: Other?
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2008, 07:15:54 AM »
Oh okay!  I'll put some research into Agnosticism....

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Re: Other?
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2008, 07:17:56 AM »
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Agnosticism (Greek: α- a-, without + γνώσις gnōsis, knowledge; after Gnosticism) is the philosophical view that the truth value of certain claims — particularly metaphysical claims regarding theology, afterlife or the existence of God, gods, deities, ghosts, ghouls, goblins or even ultimate reality — is unknown or, depending on the form of agnosticism, inherently impossible to prove or disprove.

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Re: Other?
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2008, 07:24:41 AM »
Yeah, I went to Wiki already.  I s'pose I'ma Agnostic then. Yay! Wow...that was easy.  And to think I spent almost my entire life trying to figure out what the hell I am.

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Re: Other?
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2008, 07:28:37 AM »
Yeah, I went to Wiki already.  I s'pose I'ma Agnostic then. Yay! Wow...that was easy.  And to think I spent almost my entire life trying to figure out what the hell I am.

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Re: Other?
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2008, 07:46:28 AM »
::) I mean religiously.

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Re: Other?
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2008, 09:35:01 AM »
agnostic isn't sure either way

This is what I used to believe years ago, but apparently, agnosticism is the state of belief that the truthfulness of religions (and reality) can never be known by humans, or is currently unknowable, depending on the form of agnosticism.

So basicaly, there are people who are personally unsure, and then there are agnostics, who believe no one can know.


But then, there are also weak atheists, who don't believe in any deities because of lack of evidence (but still acknowledge that deities may exist), while strong atheists are those who believe that no entities exist, even though, with the evidence we have, deities may exist.
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Re: Other?
« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2008, 10:30:47 AM »
agnostic isn't sure either way

This is what I used to believe years ago, but apparently, agnosticism is the state of belief that the truthfulness of religions (and reality) can never be known by humans, or is currently unknowable, depending on the form of agnosticism.

So basicaly, there are people who are personally unsure, and then there are agnostics, who believe no one can know.


But then, there are also weak atheists, who don't believe in any deities because of lack of evidence (but still acknowledge that deities may exist), while strong atheists are those who believe that no entities exist, even though, with the evidence we have, deities may exist.

My computer desk MAY be made out of an extremely rare form of Greek cheese but it isn't likely and certainly isn't helpful to believe that it is.

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Re: Other?
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2008, 10:34:53 AM »
My computer desk MAY be made out of an extremely rare form of Greek cheese but it isn't likely and certainly isn't helpful to believe that it is.

Which is a great example to justify the mindset of "weak atheists".
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Re: Other?
« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2008, 10:37:03 AM »
Obviously anything is possible. Anybody who claims to be able to know anything for certain is an idiot.
I'm going to side with the white supremacists.

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Re: Other?
« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2008, 11:13:48 AM »
Obviously anything is possible. Anybody who claims to be able to know anything for certain is an idiot.

Agreed.

agnostic isn't sure either way

This is what I used to believe years ago, but apparently, agnosticism is the state of belief that the truthfulness of religions (and reality) can never be known by humans, or is currently unknowable, depending on the form of agnosticism.

So basicaly, there are people who are personally unsure, and then there are agnostics, who believe no one can know.


But then, there are also weak atheists, who don't believe in any deities because of lack of evidence (but still acknowledge that deities may exist), while strong atheists are those who believe that no entities exist, even though, with the evidence we have, deities may exist.

Coolness! & the bold = me. :).

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Re: Other?
« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2008, 11:17:59 AM »
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the  guy he was interviewing- Im an agnostic
Colbert- Arent agnostics just atheists with no balls

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Re: Other?
« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2008, 11:20:27 AM »
Not really, Osama. You can still claim to know something for certain in practical terms.
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Re: Other?
« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2008, 11:29:08 AM »
Not really, Osama. You can still claim to know something for certain in practical terms.

Exactly, while I can't say for sure that this computer exists, outside of a philosophical argument it is practical to say it does after all it's there, i can feel it, see it, type on it etc. In the same way i can't say for sure that gods exist or not but because there is no real hard, practical evidence for him it is useful to assume he doesn't exist apart from in philosophical debates.

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Re: Other?
« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2008, 11:38:30 AM »
Obviously anything is possible. Anybody who claims to be able to know anything for certain is an idiot.

Agreed.

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agnostic isn't sure either way

This is what I used to believe years ago, but apparently, agnosticism is the state of belief that the truthfulness of religions (and reality) can never be known by humans, or is currently unknowable, depending on the form of agnosticism.

So basicaly, there are people who are personally unsure, and then there are agnostics, who believe no one can know.


But then, there are also weak atheists, who don't believe in any deities because of lack of evidence (but still acknowledge that deities may exist), while strong atheists are those who believe that no entities exist, even though, with the evidence we have, deities may exist.

Coolness! & the bold ≠ me. :).

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Re: Other?
« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2008, 11:55:56 AM »
Wtf Anteater you noob.

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Re: Other?
« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2008, 12:10:06 PM »
Wtf Anteater you noob.
ya youre supposed to change the bold part
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Re: Other?
« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2008, 12:23:34 PM »
So, what religious affiliation would you call a person who doesn't know what to believe because nothing is concrete, anything is possible, and everything is uncertain?  If that doesn't make sense, I can elaborate.

I subscribe to the same principles... It's called Agnosticism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism

There are a few different degrees of agnosticism that you should look up.
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Re: Other?
« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2008, 12:32:45 PM »
So, what religious affiliation would you call a person who doesn't know what to believe because nothing is concrete, anything is possible, and everything is uncertain?  If that doesn't make sense, I can elaborate.

I subscribe to the same principles... It's called Agnosticism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism

There are a few different degrees of agnosticism that you should look up.
i think we determined that a while back
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Re: Other?
« Reply #24 on: October 19, 2008, 12:42:50 PM »
So, what religious affiliation would you call a person who doesn't know what to believe because nothing is concrete, anything is possible, and everything is uncertain?  If that doesn't make sense, I can elaborate.

I subscribe to the same principles... It's called Agnosticism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism

There are a few different degrees of agnosticism that you should look up.
i think we determined that a while back

I only read the first post.
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Re: Other?
« Reply #25 on: October 19, 2008, 12:44:08 PM »
Good strategy, man.
Here's an explanation for ya. Lurk moar. Every single point you brought up has been posted, reposted, debated and debunked. There is a search function on this forum, and it is very easy to use.

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Re: Other?
« Reply #26 on: October 19, 2008, 12:52:07 PM »
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Re: Other?
« Reply #27 on: October 19, 2008, 02:11:32 PM »
Obviously anything is possible. Anybody who claims to be able to know anything for certain is an idiot.

I know for certain that you're an idiot.


Thanks for the clarification GarmGarf
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Re: Other?
« Reply #28 on: October 19, 2008, 08:34:15 PM »
    There is no such thing as agnosticism, at least as a different stance of belief from atheism. To say that agnostics accept the possibility of a god, where an atheist does not is simply wrong. I don't think anyone would make that claim, but saying that agnosticism means accepting the impossibility for definitive proof either way, therefore making judgments on the likelihood of gods useless, is not logically sound.

   Making a leap from unprovable to untestable is completely unfounded. The question of labels comes down to the onus of evidence. To claim the existence of any particular god or system of metaphysics, you require empirical evidence and logical argument of its truth. The burden of proof is on whom ever makes the claim , and the evidence must be testable.

   The difference between strong and weak atheism, I believe, is also a false division. To say strong atheists believe positivly that there is no god, and weak atheists simply don't have a belief, is to say nothing of meaning. The only reasoning that could possibly hold is that weak atheists either haven't looked into the issue sufficiently to make a judgment, or believe that every claim to a gods existence has sufficient evidence to be just as likely as its non existence.

   The last apparent possibility to distinguish a strong atheist is one who claims to be sure there are no gods. This would be a wholly irrational claim, and doesn't deserve the dignity of an official label. 
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Re: Other?
« Reply #29 on: October 19, 2008, 08:35:36 PM »
    There is no such thing as agnosticism, at least as a different stance of belief from atheism. To say that agnostics accept the possibility of a god, where an atheist does not is simply wrong. I don't think anyone would make that claim, but saying that agnosticism means accepting the impossibility for definitive proof either way, therefore making judgments on the likelihood of gods useless, is not logically sound.

   Making a leap from unprovable to untestable is completely unfounded. The question of labels comes down to the onus of evidence. To claim the existence of any particular god or system of metaphysics, you require empirical evidence and logical argument of its truth. The burden of proof is on whom ever makes the claim , and the evidence must be testable.

   The difference between strong and weak atheism, I believe, is also a false division. To say strong atheists believe positivly that there is no god, and weak atheists simply don't have a belief, is to say nothing of meaning. The only reasoning that could possibly hold is that weak atheists either haven't looked into the issue sufficiently to make a judgment, or believe that every claim to a gods existence has sufficient evidence to be just as likely as its non existence.

   The last apparent possibility to distinguish a strong atheist is one who claims to be sure there are no gods. This would be a wholly irrational claim, and doesn't deserve the dignity of an official label. 

Typical argument, ignore it.
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