mars, earth, and their orbits.

if Earth is heliocentric, then how does it explain this animation?

http://www.windows.ucar.edu/tour/link=/mars/mars_orbit.html

What's there to be explained?

What's there to be explained?

Why would Mars seem to change sizes through out the year if mars revolved around the sun and the sun revolved around earth? (yes that IS what FE says...well tom bishop any ways)

Any change in the diameter of the sun and the planets just means that they slightly change altitude over the course of the year.

Any change in the diameter of the sun and the planets just means that they slightly change altitude over the course of the year.

According to FET, the sun makes major changes in altitude over the course of the year.  So why are major changes in the diameter of the sun not observed?

According to FET, the sun makes major changes in altitude over the course of the year.  So why are major changes in the diameter of the sun not observed?

The diameter of the sun is observed to change over the course of the year.

Quote from: markjo on October 18, 2008, 09:55:03 PM

According to FET, the sun makes major changes in altitude over the course of the year.  So why are major changes in the diameter of the sun not observed?

The diameter of the sun is observed to change over the course of the year.

But not enough to match what should be observed according to the changes predicted by FET.

also, if earth were heliocentric, then mars would seem to move back and fourth at times in the sky.

Quote from: markjo on October 18, 2008, 09:55:03 PM

According to FET, the sun makes major changes in altitude over the course of the year.  So why are major changes in the diameter of the sun not observed?

The diameter of the sun is observed to change over the course of the year.

I've never noticed it. By how much does it change? Proof?

Quote from: Tom Bishop on October 18, 2008, 09:55:49 PM

Quote from: markjo on October 18, 2008, 09:55:03 PM

According to FET, the sun makes major changes in altitude over the course of the year.  So why are major changes in the diameter of the sun not observed?

The diameter of the sun is observed to change over the course of the year.

I've never noticed it. By how much does it change? Proof?

Do a search.  Someone posted pictures.

Just refreshing this thread...since we never got to a conclusion...

But not enough to match what should be observed according to the changes predicted by FET.

What are the changes predicted by FE?

Quote from: markjo on October 18, 2008, 10:03:46 PM

But not enough to match what should be observed according to the changes predicted by FET.

What are the changes predicted by FE?

Rowbotham said that the sun is around 700 miles above the FE.  You have posted calculations claiming 3000 miles.  That's more than 4x higher.  You claim that the sun's analemma is evidence that the sun changes altitude (fairly significantly) throughout the year.  So why are only minor changes in the size of the sun observed (observations which happen to match the much simper RE explanation)?

if Earth is heliocentric, then how does it explain this animation?

http://www.windows.ucar.edu/tour/link=/mars/mars_orbit.html

Please learn the definitions of words like "heliocentric" before you use them.  Your question makes no logical sense.

Please learn the definitions of words like "heliocentric" before you use them.  Your question makes no logical sense.

I concur.
I think he is saying the solar system follows the heliocentric model... 

Rowbotham said that the sun is around 700 miles above the FE.  You have posted calculations claiming 3000 miles.  That's more than 4x higher.  You claim that the sun's analemma is evidence that the sun changes altitude (fairly significantly) throughout the year.  So why are only minor changes in the size of the sun observed (observations which happen to match the much simper RE explanation)?

Rowbotham may have been wrong about his figure. A slight error in precision can mean a difference of several hundred miles. I suspect the difference in altitude over the year is closer to a 1,000 mile difference

Rowbotham may have been wrong about his figure.

Surely not??? 

Was his work not peer reviewed by the scientific community then?

 

Quote from: Tom Bishop on October 20, 2008, 09:37:01 PM

Rowbotham may have been wrong about his figure.

Surely not??? 

Was his work not peer reviewed by the scientific community then?

 

I lol'd

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Rowbotham said that the sun is around 700 miles above the FE.  You have posted calculations claiming 3000 miles.  That's more than 4x higher.  You claim that the sun's analemma is evidence that the sun changes altitude (fairly significantly) throughout the year.  So why are only minor changes in the size of the sun observed (observations which happen to match the much simper RE explanation)?

Rowbotham may have been wrong about his figure. A slight error in precision can mean a difference of several hundred miles. I suspect the difference in altitude over the year is closer to a 1,000 mile difference

If this 1000 miles difference figure (3000 miles ±500) was correct, then the sun would change it's apparent (angular) size by as much as 30% from winter to summer.

Of course, the widely accepted Rowbothem "projection" theory means to Sun keeps it's apparent size fairly constant.

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Rowbotham said that the sun is around 700 miles above the FE.  You have posted calculations claiming 3000 miles.  That's more than 4x higher.  You claim that the sun's analemma is evidence that the sun changes altitude (fairly significantly) throughout the year.  So why are only minor changes in the size of the sun observed (observations which happen to match the much simper RE explanation)?

Rowbotham may have been wrong about his figure. A slight error in precision can mean a difference of several hundred miles. I suspect the difference in altitude over the year is closer to a 1,000 mile difference

Do you have any mathematical evidence to support this 1000 mile difference that we can peer review?  Suspicion is not evidence.

I guess he doesn't...

Mars is flat

www.theflatmarssociety.co.nr

aren't we talking about mars here? not the sun.