Another addition to the conspiracy? Thoughts?

Quote from: Trekky0623 on October 09, 2008, 12:24:21 PM

My theory:

1) Get funding equivalent for real space program.
2) Fake it, using money equivalent for bad movie.
3) Pocket the change.
4) PROFIT!

They already get funding for a real space program, if it is faked, how come they are giving millions of dollars to private companies to sponsor their own privately developed space program.  How is that profitable for NASA?

They have to keep up appearances.  Sometimes you have to spend money to make money.

Quote from: ragnarr on October 09, 2008, 12:30:31 PM

Quote from: Trekky0623 on October 09, 2008, 12:24:21 PM

My theory:

1) Get funding equivalent for real space program.
2) Fake it, using money equivalent for bad movie.
3) Pocket the change.
4) PROFIT!

They already get funding for a real space program, if it is faked, how come they are giving millions of dollars to private companies to sponsor their own privately developed space program.  How is that profitable for NASA?

They have to keep up appearances.  Sometimes you have to spend money to make money.

And how will they make money from that?  Also, how is letting private industries in on the secret a smart move if you are trying to keep the whole world in the dark.  I would think the less people to know the better.

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on October 09, 2008, 12:34:02 PM

Quote from: ragnarr on October 09, 2008, 12:30:31 PM

Quote from: Trekky0623 on October 09, 2008, 12:24:21 PM

My theory:

1) Get funding equivalent for real space program.
2) Fake it, using money equivalent for bad movie.
3) Pocket the change.
4) PROFIT!

They already get funding for a real space program, if it is faked, how come they are giving millions of dollars to private companies to sponsor their own privately developed space program.  How is that profitable for NASA?

They have to keep up appearances.  Sometimes you have to spend money to make money.

And how will they make money from that?

Well, there's still all those billions they're getting from the government that they claim are going toward the space program.

Also, how is letting private industries in on the secret a smart move if you are trying to keep the whole world in the dark.  I would think the less people to know the better.

This is an easy question.  The only people in the world who even approach the lack of ethics of NASA and its conspirators around the world are the owners of private industries.  There is such a thing as honor among thieves.

There is such a thing as honor among thieves.

I wouldn't count on it.

Well, there's still all those billions they're getting from the government that they claim are going toward the space program.

But how are they making more of a profit by sending millions to private industries?

This is an easy question.  The only people in the world who even approach the lack of ethics of NASA and its conspirators around the world are the owners of private industries.  There is such a thing as honor among thieves.

I believe the saying is "No honor among thieves".  You have it backwards.  Mob bosses killed each other all the time.  Arrest any man and threaten life in prison or death penalty and 99 percent of them will do anything, including giving up their friends to get a deal.

Why would those government contractors need to know that NASA is a fraudulent organization?

We already know from testimonies and first hand accounts that NASA sticks its contractors into little white rooms and tells them to build a certain component to a certain spec and then put it in the bin when they're done. Contractors are used as workhorses and never see the project at a big picture, or follow it through its phases. NASA managers deliberately keep contractors compartmentalized and in the dark as much as humanly possible

Not the case here.  SpaceX runs the launch, builds the ship, provides recovery, and flight control, NASA is just a customer.

Not the case here.  SpaceX runs the launch, builds the ship, provides recovery, and flight control, NASA is just a customer.

Ah. While Lockheed, Rayethon, and others are actual companies which support NASA by building components, SpaceX is actually a stand-alone NASA shadow company.

Recently NASA's funding has been threatened by Congress and the public complaining that it's too expensive. Everyone wants space to be privatized so that companies can compete to provide a lower cost to the public. NASA is under extreme pressure from the public and Congress to "cut costs".

By pretending to hire these private space shadow companies and prance around these fictitious X-Prize competitions they can shoot back in five years and say that Space Privatization didn't really "cut costs" after all and justify and secure their budget from future threats.

... SpaceX is actually a stand-alone NASA shadow company.

I don't suppose that you have anything more than wild speculation to back up this assertion, do you?

No, I didn't think so.

Quote from: ragnarr on October 09, 2008, 02:02:32 PM

Not the case here.  SpaceX runs the launch, builds the ship, provides recovery, and flight control, NASA is just a customer.

Ah. While Lockheed, Rayethon, and others are actual companies which support NASA by building components, SpaceX is actually a stand-alone NASA shadow company.

Recently NASA's funding has been threatened by Congress and the public complaining that it's too expensive. Everyone wants space to be privatized so that companies can compete to provide a lower cost to the public. NASA is under extreme pressure from the public and Congress to "cut costs".

By pretending to hire these private space shadow companies and prance around these fictitious X-Prize competitions they can shoot back in five years and say that Space Privatization didn't really "cut costs" after all and justify and secure their budget from future threats.

Is this a shadow company as well?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_Galactic

If you got some money laying around, you could book a flight yourself.

Since space exploration is now open to the private market, meaning ANY company can freely do this.  How is NASA going to keep a lid on this conspiracy?  Also, why are they encouraging this free market if they want to keep a secret.  So now any private industry that offers this is a NASA shadow company?  What about the companies in the UK?  Canada?  India? Japan?

So what, they are giving this money to private companies to keep quiet?  What happens when one company says no, and sends a craft up anyway and discovers this "secret".

Oh no.  Looks like the cat will be let out of the bag soon enough.  How is NASA going to keep the lid on this?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20081009/sc_space/newteamsjoinprivateracetomoon

One more thing.  This might not even go commented on, but I had to mention it.  I saw a documentary on Einstein and they said that the dialogue was directly quoted from him and he made the comment that he spent his entire life trying to catch God at his work.  One of the last things he said to his nurse.

Just thought it was interesting.

They also said that he spent the last part of his life trying to disprove his own theories because they were contradicting his own faith.  Then he had the whole battle with Chaos Theory and how he couldn't stand it.

Sorry...Thread back on track...

Adding another one to the conspiracy.  Though it does not make sense to pay 30 million of his own money to get to space if it is impossible.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,436545,00.html

Adding another one to the conspiracy.  Though it does not make sense to pay 30 million of his own money to get to space if it is impossible.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,436545,00.html

Actually, something even more amazing is that one of the "space tourists" is paying another $30 million to go back to the ISS.

A former Microsoft executive who flew to the International Space Station as a space tourist last year plans to make a second trip there next year, Space Adventures announced Tuesday. Charles Simonyi, who flew to the ISS in spring 2007, plans to fly to the station again in spring 2009 on the Soyuz TMA-14 mission to the station.

I believe something like that just happened:  http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,437450,00.html


This conspiracy has a lot of holes in it.

I believe something like that just happened:  http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,437450,00.html


This conspiracy has a lot of holes in it.

Close, but not quite.  Richard Garriott is the son of former astronaut Owen Garriott.  Therefore the son has potential links to the conspiracy through his father.

Yeah is he government?  Did they give him a Top Secret for this mission?  If not he has no obligation to keep this truth in.  Even with a Top Secret clearance, I doubt it would be valid in court.

Yeah is he government?  Did they give him a Top Secret for this mission?  If not he has no obligation to keep this truth in.  Even with a Top Secret clearance, I doubt it would be valid in court.

To be honest, I don't think any of us here has had serious dealings with Space Adventures, so we don't know of any NDAs that may or may not be in effect.

Another one, add UK to the list of conspirators.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,438581,00.html

I vote we should make this thread a sticky, so we can always reference all the entities who are in on the conspiracy, and add more as we find them.  What do you say?   

Another one, add UK to the list of conspirators.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,438581,00.html

I vote we should make this thread a sticky, so we can always reference all the entities who are in on the conspiracy, and add more as we find them.  What do you say?   

   Old news.  ESA is a long time partner with NASA and has been in on the conspiracy for years.  But, like FE'ers keep saying, it's the agencies that are in on the conspiracy, not necessarily all parts of the member nation governments.

Why would those government contractors need to know that NASA is a fraudulent organization?

We already know from testimonies and first hand accounts that NASA sticks its contractors into little white rooms and tells them to build a certain component to a certain spec and then put it in the bin when they're done. Contractors are used as workhorses and never see the project at a big picture, or follow it through its phases. NASA managers deliberately keep contractors compartmentalized and in the dark as much as humanly possible

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His not talking about contracters for NASA..he is talking about a private company that made it into space and is now saleing tickets to take private citizins into space.

so not only does the company need to be in on it, all the customers of said company need to be in on it to.