What about the weather?

So how much more proof of Coriolis effect do you need?

For what?

Quote from: mightyfletch on September 22, 2008, 06:40:19 AM

So how much more proof of Coriolis effect do you need?

For what?

By "what" I mean to be convinced of the Earth being round, and by "you" I mean Flat-Earthers.

By "what" I mean to be convinced of the Earth being round, and by "you" I mean Flat-Earthers.

Well I'm not a flat Earther, but seeing the Earth in its entirety would be a good start to establishing the likelihood that it's actually spherical.

Well who hasn't, besides you don't need to.  Physics proves it.

Physics proves it.

Please demonstrate this.

Quote from: mightyfletch on September 22, 2008, 07:32:16 AM

Physics proves it.

Please demonstrate this.

Stand outside with your back to the wind, lower pressure will be to your left and higher pressure will be to your right.  This, of course, in the orthern hemisphere, due to the Coriolis effect.  This is observable by anyone, even conspiracy theorists.
http://myweb.cwpost.liu.edu/vdivener/notes/High-Low%20map.gif   here is a diagram

Stand outside with your back to the wind, lower pressure will be to your left and higher pressure will be to your right.  This, of course, in the orthern hemisphere, due to the Coriolis effect.  This is observable by anyone, even conspiracy theorists.

You think Coriolis can prove a spherical Earth?

I meant in person. Also, you'd think over 25 hours that the clouds would change.

Quote from: divito the truthist on September 22, 2008, 07:53:36 AM

I meant in person. Also, you'd think over 25 hours that the clouds would change.

In person? What's wrong with video?

I trust you will now openly declare to everyone here that bigfoot exists, right Goldstein?

Quote from: mightyfletch on Today at 07:40:31 AM
Stand outside with your back to the wind, lower pressure will be to your left and higher pressure will be to your right.  This, of course, in the orthern hemisphere, due to the Coriolis effect.  This is observable by anyone, even conspiracy theorists.

You think Coriolis can prove a spherical Earth?   -----------------

Of course.  Coriolis is mirrored between the N Hemisphere and S hemisphere, and vorticity increases towards both poles.   On a flat Earth, vorticity would be strongest at the North pole and decrease all the way towards the South pole, and Coriolis would be in the same direction regardless of what hemisphere you would be in.

Quote from: divito the truthist on September 22, 2008, 07:53:36 AM

I meant in person. Also, you'd think over 25 hours that the clouds would change.

In person? What's wrong with video?

The clouds didn't change their pattern in the time it took the earth to make one complete rotation. According to the text the video was a series of shots over a 25 hour period. If that were true then the clouds to have shifted position from the first hour to the last.

On a flat Earth, vorticity would be strongest at the North pole and decrease all the way towards the South pole, and Coriolis would be in the same direction regardless of what hemisphere you would be in.

Well, that's a nice assumption and all, but observations don't match up with that.

Quote from: mightyfletch on September 22, 2008, 08:27:13 AM

On a flat Earth, vorticity would be strongest at the North pole and decrease all the way towards the South pole, and Coriolis would be in the same direction regardless of what hemisphere you would be in.

Well, that's a nice assumption and all, but observations don't match up with that.

Yes, they do.  Show observations that prove otherwise.

Quote from: goldstein on September 22, 2008, 08:16:56 AM

Quote from: divito the truthist on September 22, 2008, 07:53:36 AM

I meant in person. Also, you'd think over 25 hours that the clouds would change.

In person? What's wrong with video?

The clouds didn't change their pattern in the time it took the earth to make one complete rotation. According to the text the video was a series of shots over a 25 hour period. If that were true then the clouds to have shifted position from the first hour to the last, which I might add further demonstrates the effect of coriolis.

Of course they do.  Take screen shots over S. America and compare all of the cloud features.  For example, the apostrophe-shaped cloud to the SE of S. America moves quite a bit closer to the East Coast from the first shot to the next day. 

Quote from: divito the truthist on September 22, 2008, 08:36:57 AM

Quote from: mightyfletch on September 22, 2008, 08:27:13 AM

On a flat Earth, vorticity would be strongest at the North pole and decrease all the way towards the South pole, and Coriolis would be in the same direction regardless of what hemisphere you would be in.

Well, that's a nice assumption and all, but observations don't match up with that.

Yes, they do.  Show observations that prove otherwise.

Look at the Reverse-C cloud formation which is near the upper right of Antarctica and to the lower right of South America.

It doesn't change AT ALL when the earth makes a complete revolution and returns to that configuration.

On a flat Earth, vorticity would be strongest at the North pole and decrease all the way towards the South pole, and Coriolis would be in the same direction regardless of what hemisphere you would be in.

Not quite, Coriolis effect would be the same strength everywhere in FET. See here.

I agree with you though: Coriolis effect is conclusive proof of RET. FE'ers have yet to provide an argument against this.

Yes, they do.  Show observations that prove otherwise.

I think you misunderstand. Observations are not the same direction regardless of the hemisphere, so you're wrong.

Quote from: mightyfletch on September 22, 2008, 08:37:54 AM

Yes, they do.  Show observations that prove otherwise.

I think you misunderstand. Observations are not the same direction regardless of the hemisphere, so you're wrong.

I don't understand your argument here. Are you saying we are wrong because observations indicate the Coriols effect is not the same in both hemispheres?

Quote from: NEEMAN on September 22, 2008, 08:19:48 AM

I trust you will now openly declare to everyone here that bigfoot exists, right Goldstein?

I don't understand. Can you tell me more?

divito indicated he might believe the earth were round if he were to see it for himself. You showed him a youtube video, indicating that you thought this sufficient evidence for him to believe the earth is round. Am I correct?

If you consider a youtube video of the earth appearing round is enough evidence for divito to believe the earth is round, then I felt in a position to assume that you would also consider video of Big Foot proof of Big Foot's existence.


Of course, if this is not the case, I have no doubt you will explain the disrepency. But I don't see how the link you posted could be of any consequence if this were not the case, and as I'm sure you wouldn't post a link of no consequence, I fully expect you to declare that you believe Big Foot is real.

I don't understand your argument here. Are you saying we are wrong because observations indicate the Coriols effect is not the same in both hemispheres?

He assumes that a flat Earth would result in the Coriolis effect being the same in both hemispheres. Clearly, observations don't agree with him, so his assumptions are wrong.

Quote from: ghazwozza on September 22, 2008, 08:53:54 AM

I don't understand your argument here. Are you saying we are wrong because observations indicate the Coriols effect is not the same in both hemispheres?

He assumes that a flat Earth would result in the Coriolis effect being the same in both hemispheres. Clearly, observations don't agree with him, so his assumptions are wrong.

Are you trolling or being stupid? Either way, stop it.

He points out the (provable) fact that coriolis effect would be the same in both hemispheres if the Earth were flat. Observation's don't agree with this, so the Earth can't be flat.

Quote from: mightyfletch on September 22, 2008, 08:37:54 AM

Quote from: divito the truthist on September 22, 2008, 08:36:57 AM

Quote from: mightyfletch on September 22, 2008, 08:27:13 AM

On a flat Earth, vorticity would be strongest at the North pole and decrease all the way towards the South pole, and Coriolis would be in the same direction regardless of what hemisphere you would be in.

Well, that's a nice assumption and all, but observations don't match up with that.

Yes, they do.  Show observations that prove otherwise.

Look at the Reverse-C cloud formation which is near the upper right of Antarctica and to the lower right of South America.

It doesn't change AT ALL when the earth makes a complete revolution and returns to that configuration.

Not all cloud formation have a noticeable change from one day to the next, though this video shows many many such occurrences.  Do you not notice them?

He points out the (provable) fact that coriolis effect would be the same in both hemispheres if the Earth were flat. Observation's don't agree with this, so the Earth can't be flat.

So much for logical debate; "let's just make assumptions about stuff we don't know and we'll be fine."

Quote from: divito the truthist on September 22, 2008, 09:00:09 AM

Quote from: ghazwozza on September 22, 2008, 08:53:54 AM

I don't understand your argument here. Are you saying we are wrong because observations indicate the Coriols effect is not the same in both hemispheres?

He assumes that a flat Earth would result in the Coriolis effect being the same in both hemispheres. Clearly, observations don't agree with him, so his assumptions are wrong.

Are you trolling or being stupid? Either way, stop it.

He points out the (provable) fact that coriolis effect would be the same in both hemispheres if the Earth were flat. Observation's don't agree with this, so the Earth can't be flat.

Exactly.

Not all cloud formation have a noticeable change from one day to the next

So, clouds don't move? The Earth had no wind on this day?

Quote from: mightyfletch on September 22, 2008, 08:37:54 AM

Yes, they do.  Show observations that prove otherwise.

I think you misunderstand. Observations are not the same direction regardless of the hemisphere, so you're wrong.

Observations show that wind rotates counter-clockwise around centers of low pressure in the Northern hemisphere, and trust me I have seen many many observations by many weather stations.

I would like to post a couple of images, how do I do it?

Quote from: mightyfletch on September 22, 2008, 09:10:42 AM

Not all cloud formation have a noticeable change from one day to the next

So, clouds don't move? The Earth had no wind on this day?

I'm trying to find the spot that Tom Bishop is talking about.

Quote from: ghazwozza on September 22, 2008, 09:05:27 AM

He points out the (provable) fact that coriolis effect would be the same in both hemispheres if the Earth were flat. Observation's don't agree with this, so the Earth can't be flat.

So much for logical debate; "let's just make assumptions about stuff we don't know and we'll be fine."

What assumptions have we made here?

I would like to post a couple of images, how do I do it?

Use [img] tags.

How do I upload the image?

Observations show that wind rotates counter-clockwise around centers of low pressure in the Northern hemisphere, and trust me I have seen many many observations by many weather stations.

Exactly, so your assumption is wrong.

I would like to post a couple of images, how do I do it?

Under the italicize button, there is an "Insert Image" button. Click on it and paste the URL in between the tags.