Flying

What happens if you get in a plane and do this?  Do you come out the other side, fall off, what?
Someone ought to get a camera and try it, and put an end to all of this.
If he/she makes it, the Earth is round.  If he/she doesn't, then the Earth is flat.

read the FAQ.

what do you think i spent the first 10 minutes doing?
I'm trying to get an experiment going.
Someone should have the resources to get a plane and fly it, well, any direction, eventually you'll hit the wall.
What happens when you fly towards wall? 
A: you keep going, and end up on the other side of the earth
B: government stops you

So let's go see which one happens.

what do you think i spent the first 10 minutes doing?
I'm trying to get an experiment going.
Someone should have the resources to get a plane and fly it, well, any direction, eventually you'll hit the wall.
What happens when you fly towards wall? 
A: you keep going, and end up on the other side of the earth
B: government stops you

So let's go see which one happens.

Remember to document your trip across Antarctica with video evidence.

eventually you'll hit the wall.

I would hope not, that would scupper all chances of sense getting through...

What happens if you get in a plane and do this?  Do you come out the other side, fall off, what?
Someone ought to get a camera and try it, and put an end to all of this.
If he/she makes it, the Earth is round.  If he/she doesn't, then the Earth is flat.

I've theorized that you will never travel in a straight line on the FE. In your FoR, your paths are straight. In the FE's FoR, your paths are curved. This explains why circumnavigation is possible on FE, where you travel in a straight line (in your FoR) and end up back where you started.

EDIT: The reason behind this is that our compass always point to the North, which is the center of the FE. Thus, traveling East or West is basically circling around the Earth.

I've theorized that you will never travel in a straight line on the FE. In your FoR, your paths are straight. In the FE's FoR, your paths are curved. This explains why circumnavigation is possible on FE, where you travel in a straight line (in your FoR) and end up back where you started. This also explains why it is impossible for you to fly pass the edge of the world.

e.Jack, I simply can't follow what you mean here. The FAQ isn't helping explain it either. Can you run through this in other words?

1. What I'm trying to understand is this: you believe that airline flights are curved to avoid seeing the Ice Wall. Is this physics or misguided pilots?

2. If I devised some method, perhaps using a laser, to point a straight line (not a single curve in it, perfectly straight) for miles and then to follow this line in an airplane, wouldn't I eventually reach the Ice Wall with enough fuel? Now, if you observed this line, and determined to your satisfaction that it was straight, would you board the plane with me? If you answer is no, could you take a moment to explain why.

Quote from: e.Jack on September 07, 2008, 04:19:12 AM

I've theorized that you will never travel in a straight line on the FE. In your FoR, your paths are straight. In the FE's FoR, your paths are curved. This explains why circumnavigation is possible on FE, where you travel in a straight line (in your FoR) and end up back where you started. This also explains why it is impossible for you to fly pass the edge of the world.

e.Jack, I simply can't follow what you mean here. The FAQ isn't helping explain it either. Can you run through this in other words?

1. What I'm trying to understand is this: you believe that airline flights are curved to avoid seeing the Ice Wall. Is this physics or misguided pilots?

2. If I devised some method, perhaps using a laser, to point a straight line (not a single curve in it, perfectly straight) for miles and then to follow this line in an airplane, wouldn't I eventually reach the Ice Wall with enough fuel? Now, if you observed this line, and determined to your satisfaction that it was straight, would you board the plane with me? If you answer is no, could you take a moment to explain why.

Yes, you'd hit the wall, but I'll tell you what FE'ers are gonna answer:
It is impossible+Do it+Prove it.

I'd do it if I had the resources.

e.Jack, I simply can't follow what you mean here. The FAQ isn't helping explain it either. Can you run through this in other words?

1. What I'm trying to understand is this: you believe that airline flights are curved to avoid seeing the Ice Wall. Is this physics or misguided pilots?

2. If I devised some method, perhaps using a laser, to point a straight line (not a single curve in it, perfectly straight) for miles and then to follow this line in an airplane, wouldn't I eventually reach the Ice Wall with enough fuel? Now, if you observed this line, and determined to your satisfaction that it was straight, would you board the plane with me? If you answer is no, could you take a moment to explain why.

My theory is exactly the same reason why you can't fly an airplane straight out into space in the RE:



As I've said before, it depends on which frame of reference are you talking about. Plus, straight is a relative term. Reread my previous post.

Yes, you'd hit the wall

But you can't pass it.

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The Dark Energy Field holds our massive accelerating atmolayer and any object that has mass (less than the atmolayer's) in place. This explains why direct or sustained space-flight is not possible in the FE. Because the DEF is a formation of Dark Energy, and Dark Energy is the mechanism of UA, it happens to shield us from UA. The DEF does not hold electromagnetic radiations and vibrations. The DEF is not the same as gravitation, so escape velocity does not exist.

That is what he said, He would hit the wall IF the earth was flat, Personally if i wasn't a 14 year old and my only income was a paper round and pocet money, I'd love to do that, A huge flight of fucking around because going in a straight line you could leave it to autopilot.

Badass.

But you wouldn't be shot down by the government, You wouldn't hit a wall, You'd find your self at the beggining.

But you wouldn't be shot down by the government, You wouldn't hit a wall, You'd find your self at the beggining.

You're wrong.

You're wrong.

Prove it. In your own words. (Side note: Gratz on spelling. Lots of fruitcakes would type 'Your wrong'. You have grammar )

in the meantime,. i encourage you to watch some of these completely fake videos.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rocket+cam&search_type=&aq=f

Soooooooo........if you can't fly in a straight line and you just fly in a big circle.........lets say your flight path veers to the left, going in a circle that way, why can't you steer to the right enough to compensate for the left handed veering so that you can actually fly in a straight line?

You could.
But you wouldn't be able to on a supposedly round earth in a conventional aircraft.

Soooooooo........if you can't fly in a straight line and you just fly in a big circle.........lets say your flight path veers to the left, going in a circle that way, why can't you steer to the right enough to compensate for the left handed veering so that you can actually fly in a straight line?

Your frame of reference != Earth's frame of reference

Reread my post.

All these "The Earth is flat but appears round due to [arbitrary mechanism of choice]" arguments are getting rather boring. Can we at least see some kind of rationalization for such theories, apart from "it must be true because the Earth is flat". Circular reasoning may be amusing for a while, but it's getting old very fast.

Wow, there's a whole knot of wonko logic in that which really needs threshing out.

Are you saying that if I hold a straight rope between any two points, and then look down the rope, even though it looks like a straight line it's not?

So what you're calling for is (somehow) a magical curving of light, which increases as we travel further south?

If you can't distinguish your frame of reference from the Earth's, you need to stop refuting.

Look up the term "frame of reference".

Here's a simple scenario: in RE, you fly in a straight line [your frame of reference], but your flight path is actually curved down relative to the Earth due to its atmosphere [Earth's frame of reference]. Otherwise, you fly straight out to space.

Look up the term "frame of reference".

Here's a simple scenario: in RE, you fly in a straight line [your frame of reference], but your flight path is actually curved down relative to the Earth due to its atmosphere [Earth's frame of reference]. Otherwise, you fly straight out to space.

That ^ makes sense.

However I've re-read your previous posts and I really, honestly, don't understand what you mean.

Please could you explain again in simpler terms? And what "frame of reference" am I supposed to be using to be able to understand it, please?  I just can't seem to get my head around it.

Scenario #1: in FE, I fly my plane in a straight line to circumnavigate [my frame of reference], but my path is actually curved due to my compass [Earth's frame of reference]

Scenario #1: in FE, I fly my plane in a straight line to circumnavigate [my frame of reference], but my path is actually curved due to my compass [Earth's frame of reference]

Aha! I see what you mean now, thank you!

 But what if, in FE, you wanted to fly in a straight line toward the ice wall so you flew directly away from the North Pole (which is the centre of FE, I believe). Then your compass should continue to point to North as being directly behind you, shouldn't it? So then you should be able to fly in a straight line due south toward the ice wall, shouldn't you?

Quote from: E.Jack on September 18, 2008, 12:35:49 PM

Scenario #1: in FE, I fly my plane in a straight line to circumnavigate [my frame of reference], but my path is actually curved due to my compass [Earth's frame of reference]

Aha! I see what you mean now, thank you!

 But what if, in FE, you wanted to fly in a straight line toward the ice wall so you flew directly away from the North Pole (which is the centre of FE, I believe). Then your compass should continue to point to North as being directly behind you, shouldn't it? So then you should be able to fly in a straight line due south toward the ice wall, shouldn't you?

Magnetic declination would not allow you to do that.

Quote from: TheCat on September 19, 2008, 09:19:27 AM

Quote from: E.Jack on September 18, 2008, 12:35:49 PM

Scenario #1: in FE, I fly my plane in a straight line to circumnavigate [my frame of reference], but my path is actually curved due to my compass [Earth's frame of reference]

Aha! I see what you mean now, thank you!

 But what if, in FE, you wanted to fly in a straight line toward the ice wall so you flew directly away from the North Pole (which is the centre of FE, I believe). Then your compass should continue to point to North as being directly behind you, shouldn't it? So then you should be able to fly in a straight line due south toward the ice wall, shouldn't you?

Magnetic declination would not allow you to do that.

SOrry for being thick but can you explain how magnetic declination works? I don't think I've heard that term before.

Quote from: C-Ray on September 19, 2008, 09:33:36 AM

Quote from: TheCat on September 19, 2008, 09:19:27 AM

Quote from: E.Jack on September 18, 2008, 12:35:49 PM

Scenario #1: in FE, I fly my plane in a straight line to circumnavigate [my frame of reference], but my path is actually curved due to my compass [Earth's frame of reference]

Aha! I see what you mean now, thank you!

 But what if, in FE, you wanted to fly in a straight line toward the ice wall so you flew directly away from the North Pole (which is the centre of FE, I believe). Then your compass should continue to point to North as being directly behind you, shouldn't it? So then you should be able to fly in a straight line due south toward the ice wall, shouldn't you?

Magnetic declination would not allow you to do that.

SOrry for being thick but can you explain how magnetic declination works? I don't think I've heard that term before.

Magnetic declination is the difference between where maps are drawn and where the compass points.  As you travel the declnation changes.  By looking at the RE declination map, it changes as much as 40 degrees, if you travel in a straight line, from Chile or Argentina or Peru.  Although, I am not sure why it wouldn't be possible to travel along the Agonic line, the line of zero degrees declination.  My geography is not all that hot, but it seems you could start in Mississippi and travel across the gulf, through Costa Rica travel the length of Peru, cut the corner on Chile and go across south America, traversing Argentina then back south to the continent of Antarctica.  I would imagine that would be pretty hard to do though.

Quote from: TheCat on September 19, 2008, 09:34:36 AM

Quote from: C-Ray on September 19, 2008, 09:33:36 AM

Quote from: TheCat on September 19, 2008, 09:19:27 AM

Quote from: E.Jack on September 18, 2008, 12:35:49 PM

Scenario #1: in FE, I fly my plane in a straight line to circumnavigate [my frame of reference], but my path is actually curved due to my compass [Earth's frame of reference]

Aha! I see what you mean now, thank you!

 But what if, in FE, you wanted to fly in a straight line toward the ice wall so you flew directly away from the North Pole (which is the centre of FE, I believe). Then your compass should continue to point to North as being directly behind you, shouldn't it? So then you should be able to fly in a straight line due south toward the ice wall, shouldn't you?

Magnetic declination would not allow you to do that.

SOrry for being thick but can you explain how magnetic declination works? I don't think I've heard that term before.

Magnetic declination is the difference between where maps are drawn and where the compass points.  As you travel the declnation changes.  By looking at the RE declination map, it changes as much as 40 degrees, if you travel in a straight line, from Chile or Argentina or Peru.  Although, I am not sure why it wouldn't be possible to travel along the Agonic line, the line of zero degrees declination.  My geography is not all that hot, but it seems you could start in Mississippi and travel across the gulf, through Costa Rica travel the length of Peru, cut the corner on Chile and go across south America, traversing Argentina then back south to the continent of Antarctica.  I would imagine that would be pretty hard to do though.

You say that the declination on RE is as much as 40 degrees - do we know what it is on FE?

You say that the declination on RE is as much as 40 degrees - do we know what it is on FE?

We don't.

I'd suggest you try and make FE declination tie in with the RE.

FE declination from celestial north/south should match RE declination perfectly, in order for the observations to work. Which basically means that in the northern hemiplane, it should be the same. Celestial south and geographic south are not always the same direction in FET, though.

Quote from: goldstein on September 19, 2008, 10:16:23 AM

I'd suggest you try and make FE declination tie in with the RE.

FE declination from celestial north/south should match RE declination perfectly, in order for the observations to work. Which basically means that in the northern hemiplane, it should be the same. Celestial south and geographic south are not always the same direction in FET, though.

So my question still remains unanswered. What will happen if you set off with the North pole directly behind you and travel directly south toward the Ice Wall?