'conclusive categorical conspiracy compendium' is STILL crap.

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'conclusive categorical conspiracy compendium' is STILL crap.
« on: September 06, 2008, 03:54:48 AM »
You can troll, you can lock, but you can't change the fact that it's the biggest sack of fail in the world.

Stupid claims:

3 people fake all nasa's images.


Nasa has released on average 64 raw images per day from opportunity, 65 for spirit.  Even if all 3 of them worked 16 hours a day, they would only have 22 minutes per photo.  And that's just for NASA's website, there would need to be a lot more to fool the operators if they are not in on it, and video too, no to mention all hte scientific data.  And that's just for one mission.  They have loads of missions.  on at once.

only 50 people have been in space


It's not even hard at all to find out that 474 people have been in orbit.  It's a retard mistake.

Only 1 person does the entire GPS cover up.


All I can say is lol.  There are 10 chipset makers I know of, and there's probably more.  Does this one guy redesign all these chipsets and then sneak arount to the other companies and swap thier designs before they are manufactured?  Does he use wizard powers to make their developers think thier prototypes work?  Does this one man build and launch all the stratalites, do all the maths,



And that's before you get onto the Ice wall guards who never eat, sleep, become ill or go on holiday.

Then it ignores all the people who would have to be in on it due to southern hemisphere navigation differences, all the sailors, airline pilots, astronomers, meteorologists, oceanographers

It ignores the communications satellites, satellite TV, ocean cablers, Antarctic explorers and scientists, and a fucking million other bunches of people who would have to be either in on it, or fooled through some elaborate mechanism.


Why is such a conclusive categorical fail in the flat earth information repository, and referenced by the FAQ?

It's just another reason why "read the FAQ" means "I fail, RE wins".
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« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2008, 08:49:12 AM »
RE wins
Since when?

Every time an FEer fails to post an argument and references a faulty FAQ, RE wins. 
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« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2008, 08:56:02 AM »
The FAQ is not a tool used to win against opposing arguments.  Rather, it is a guideline used to prevent newcomers from making stupid/pointless/ignorant threads. I still don't see how referencing the FAQ is a direct win for RE.

Your claim is strawman at best.

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« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2008, 09:03:57 AM »
I agree with Lolz. The claims made in that thread are ridiculous. Dioptimus Prime made order-of-magnitude errors when estimating te number of people who need to be in on the conspiracy. Three guys fooling thousands of the smartest people around, plus public? Ridiculous.

And I can go into detail about this if anyone wants me to.

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« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2008, 09:14:01 AM »
The FAQ is not a tool used to win against opposing arguments.  Rather, it is a guideline used to prevent newcomers from making stupid/pointless/ignorant threads. I still don't see how referencing the FAQ is a direct win for RE.

Your claim is strawman at best.

FEers have always just pointed to that thread when pressed on the feasibility of hte conspiracy idea, whether it's a noob asking it or not. 
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« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2008, 09:16:59 AM »
Because it's already answered...

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« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2008, 10:08:20 AM »
Because it's already answered...

Wrongly.  And thus RE wins. 

the end. 
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« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2008, 10:19:09 AM »
The FAQ is not a tool used to win against opposing arguments.  Rather, it is a guideline used to prevent newcomers from making stupid/pointless/ignorant threads. I still don't see how referencing the FAQ is a direct win for RE.

Your claim is strawman at best.

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« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2008, 12:25:32 PM »
You can quote yourself all day, but you still don't have an argument, therefore you still lose. 

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« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2008, 02:19:18 PM »
You can troll, you can lock, but you can't change the fact that it's the biggest sack of fail in the world.

Stupid claims:

3 people fake all nasa's images.


Nasa has released on average 64 raw images per day from opportunity, 65 for spirit.  Even if all 3 of them worked 16 hours a day, they would only have 22 minutes per photo.  And that's just for NASA's website, there would need to be a lot more to fool the operators if they are not in on it, and video too, no to mention all hte scientific data.  And that's just for one mission.  They have loads of missions.  on at once.

only 50 people have been in space


It's not even hard at all to find out that 474 people have been in orbit.  It's a retard mistake.

Only 1 person does the entire GPS cover up.


All I can say is lol.  There are 10 chipset makers I know of, and there's probably more.  Does this one guy redesign all these chipsets and then sneak arount to the other companies and swap thier designs before they are manufactured?  Does he use wizard powers to make their developers think thier prototypes work?  Does this one man build and launch all the stratalites, do all the maths,



And that's before you get onto the Ice wall guards who never eat, sleep, become ill or go on holiday.

Then it ignores all the people who would have to be in on it due to southern hemisphere navigation differences, all the sailors, airline pilots, astronomers, meteorologists, oceanographers

It ignores the communications satellites, satellite TV, ocean cablers, Antarctic explorers and scientists, and a fucking million other bunches of people who would have to be either in on it, or fooled through some elaborate mechanism.


Why is such a conclusive categorical fail in the flat earth information repository, and referenced by the FAQ?

It's just another reason why "read the FAQ" means "I fail, RE wins".


The first part is reasonable enough criticism, but the second part is faulty.  There is no reason why private sailors, scientists, etc. need to be in on it.

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« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2008, 04:18:40 PM »
that's Antarctic explorers and scientists.  The American McMurdo base has over 1000 personal in summer, most of whom are scientists, the British Antarctic Survey has over 400 people at it's bases, then there's other countries expeditions, and private explorers so that's a lot of people, most of whom are scientists who are going to notice if they are stood on an ice wall instead of Antarctica. 

Sailors in the southern hemisphere or near the equator would notice that their celestial navigation doesn't make sense, they would notice that the distances between places in the south were over twice what they should be, pleasure boaters and people who stayed near the shore wouldn't notice, but I meant proper sailors who sail to places.

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« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2008, 04:41:34 PM »
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that's Antarctic explorers and scientists.  The American McMurdo base has over 1000 personal in summer, most of whom are scientists, the British Antarctic Survey has over 400 people at it's bases, then there's other countries expeditions, and private explorers so that's a lot of people, most of whom are scientists who are going to notice if they are stood on an ice wall instead of Antarctica. 

Those "scientists" are military employed and government funded.

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Sailors in the southern hemisphere or near the equator would notice that their celestial navigation doesn't make sense, they would notice that the distances between places in the south were over twice what they should be, pleasure boaters and people who stayed near the shore wouldn't notice, but I meant proper sailors who sail to places.

Navigators don't wait until nightfall to find out where to go. The first thing they do is look at their compass, a technology which has been around for several millennia now.
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« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2008, 04:52:46 PM »
Those "scientists" are military employed and government funded.


So?  Thats still 1400+ extra people to add to the conspiracy total, instead of none like the compendium would have it.  That's bigger than the entire conspiracy as counted by the compendium thread. 

BAS is civilian, and as far as I know the US expedition is civilian too, not that that it matters anyway. 
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« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2008, 06:47:02 PM »
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So?  Thats still 1400+ extra people to add to the conspiracy total, instead of none like the compendium would have it.  That's bigger than the entire conspiracy as counted by the compendium thread. 

You'll have to prove that 1,400 people are even there.

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« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2008, 08:53:02 PM »
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So?  Thats still 1400+ extra people to add to the conspiracy total, instead of none like the compendium would have it.  That's bigger than the entire conspiracy as counted by the compendium thread. 

You'll have to prove that 1,400 people are even there.

You can look at all the team photos on the websites. 
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« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2008, 09:22:06 PM »
Even your pictures are fail.

That river is looking better and better isn't it?

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« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2008, 10:56:48 PM »
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You'll have to prove that 1,400 people are even there.

Can you demonstrate that hose photos were taken on Antarctica, or that there are 1,400 people in those photos?

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« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2008, 02:23:01 AM »
You can quote yourself all day, but you still don't have an argument, therefore you still lose. 


I quoted it again because you misunderstood my point.

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« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2008, 04:44:17 AM »
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So?  Thats still 1400+ extra people to add to the conspiracy total, instead of none like the compendium would have it.  That's bigger than the entire conspiracy as counted by the compendium thread. 

You'll have to prove that 1,400 people are even there.

How about the vast output of research from the BAS? Did three people at NASA do all that as well, on top of faking all the research output of NASA?

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« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2008, 04:49:34 AM »
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How about the vast output of research from the BAS? Did three people at NASA do all that as well, on top of faking all the research output of NASA?

I haven't seen any "vast output of research" coming from the Antarctic bases. Those bases just seem to be wasting taxpayer money.

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« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2008, 05:20:05 AM »
that's cos you are a retard who has never read a scientific journal. 
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« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2008, 05:21:28 AM »
that's cos you are a retard who has never read a scientific journal. 

First warning. Next time, it's a two day ban.
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« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2008, 04:13:24 AM »
Navigators don't wait until nightfall to find out where to go.

True.  That is why you shoot positions of the Sun or Moon during the daytime.  Typically, you shoot a mid-morning sun line, noon sun, and a mid-afternoon sun.  These are combined with in a running fix to verify the positions received by electronic navigation equipment and visual fixes.


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The first thing they do is look at their compass, a technology which has been around for several millennia now.

Well, I tend to look at the chart and determine the course that I need to steer.  This is based on a combination of positions derived from electronic navigation equipment, celestial fixes and visual fixes.  The compass is good for telling the helmsman where the bow is pointed, and for me to correct the course as compared to the trackline layed on the chart.

Actually, the first navigational compasses are a technology that is less than one thousand years old.  They haven't even been around for one millennium, much less the several millennium that you claim.

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An early form of the compass (a magnetized needle floating in water) was invented in ancient China sometime before 1044. The dry compass was invented in medieval Europe around 1300.

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« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2008, 12:03:39 PM »
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How about the vast output of research from the BAS? Did three people at NASA do all that as well, on top of faking all the research output of NASA?

I haven't seen any "vast output of research" coming from the Antarctic bases. Those bases just seem to be wasting taxpayer money.

Try this: http://www.antarctica.ac.uk/bas_research/index.php

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« Reply #25 on: September 10, 2008, 07:33:56 PM »
Navigators don't wait until nightfall to find out where to go.

True.  That is why you shoot positions of the Sun or Moon during the daytime.  Typically, you shoot a mid-morning sun line, noon sun, and a mid-afternoon sun.  These are combined with in a running fix to verify the positions received by electronic navigation equipment and visual fixes.


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The first thing they do is look at their compass, a technology which has been around for several millennia now.

Well, I tend to look at the chart and determine the course that I need to steer.  This is based on a combination of positions derived from electronic navigation equipment, celestial fixes and visual fixes.  The compass is good for telling the helmsman where the bow is pointed, and for me to correct the course as compared to the trackline layed on the chart.

Actually, the first navigational compasses are a technology that is less than one thousand years old.  They haven't even been around for one millennium, much less the several millennium that you claim.

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An early form of the compass (a magnetized needle floating in water) was invented in ancient China sometime before 1044. The dry compass was invented in medieval Europe around 1300.


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« Reply #26 on: September 12, 2008, 04:12:59 AM »
why does noone react ontopic?

It blows away the whole FET possability...

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« Reply #27 on: September 12, 2008, 04:27:39 AM »
It's because they are busy editing the FAQ's.  And they think RE'ers have a conspiracy going...

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« Reply #28 on: September 12, 2008, 05:04:34 AM »
It's because they are busy editing the FAQ's.  And they think RE'ers have a conspiracy going...

They never edit the FAQ.  Look at the post and last edit dates. 

Even the .net site, which has a newly created FAQ, is basically a copy of the one on this site.

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« Reply #29 on: September 12, 2008, 05:11:09 AM »
.net site? coool there I don't  have to browse on proxy :D