How does sunset happen?

In the FE model, how can sunset possibly be explained? For the sun to set, it would need to go completely out of view at one part of the Earth, and be directly above at another part of the Earth.

They have a "spotlight" theory that supposedly explains light and darkness.

But it doesnt explain sunsets... I'm sure the explanation will be "optical illusion" (wich I think is a cop out)

Lets see if somebody explains it in this thread because no FE'ers came to my thread when I asked this (and a few other questions)

They have a "spotlight" theory that supposedly explains light and darkness.

But it doesnt explain sunsets... I'm sure the explanation will be "optical illusion" (wich I think is a cop out)

Lets see if somebody explains it in this thread because no FE'ers came to my thread when I asked this (and a few other questions)

Isn't it funny how they conveniently ignore the reasons they cannot argue? I say we keep bumping this until we get a response.

There's no sunset you morons!! If the sun never dips below the horizon there can't be a sunset, no can there? Have you ever actually seen a sunset with your own eyes? I didn't think so, CAUSE IT DOESN'T EXIST!!! It's just a myth, so shut up about the stupid nonexistent sunset.

There's no sunset you morons!! If the sun never dips below the horizon there can't be a sunset, no can there? Have you ever actually seen a sunset with your own eyes? I didn't think so, CAUSE IT DOESN'T EXIST!!! It's just a myth, so shut up about the stupid nonexistent sunset.

Oh, I see, it is one of those handy 'optical illusions', right? Caused by 'atmospheric conditions'? :wink:





Face it, you FE'ers. You cannot answer this. In your model, it is completely impossible to have a sunset. And because sunsets do happen, this model cannot be possible.

Of course it's not an optical illusion, it's a myth. I never said sunsets are an illusion. I said they don't exist. Next time read more carfully.

Ah.  Now THAT makes perfect sense.  Just like the moon walk didn't happen too.  It figures.  The sun doesn't set.  It just....beats the hell out of me, but it never sets.   :lol:

Exactly! It doesn't set, problem solved

You must be joking...

I could wait about four hours and take a picture of an actual sunset. But I dont want to go through the effort for somebody who I think is joking.

I do believe the earth is round, I've even seen this with my own eyes. But this sunset thing? No way. If they are real then why haven't I ever seen one?

I do believe the earth is round, I've even seen this with my own eyes. But this sunset thing? No way. If they are real then why haven't I ever seen one?

Because you are blind.

You must be joking...

I could wait about four hours and take a picture of an actual sunset. But I dont want to go through the effort for somebody who I think is joking.

No, better yet.  Get a telescope and try taking a picture of the sunset like that.   :twisted:

Of COURSE I'm joking.  I couldn't have made it anymore obvious.

I do believe the earth is round, I've even seen this with my own eyes. But this sunset thing? No way. If they are real then why haven't I ever seen one?

shield your eyes.


jk its a sunrise, big difference, same condurum, took the picture m'self

Of course it's not an optical illusion, it's a myth. I never said sunsets are an illusion. I said they don't exist. Next time read more carfully.

What happens to it then, One second it's day the next it's night?

And for your information I have seen a sunset.

There's no sunset you morons!! If the sun never dips below the horizon there can't be a sunset, no can there? Have you ever actually seen a sunset with your own eyes? I didn't think so, CAUSE IT DOESN'T EXIST!!! It's just a myth, so shut up about the stupid nonexistent sunset.

Right, time for a practical test.

1. Go outside.
2. Face the west.
3. Wait for the sun to go down.
4. Notice how sun GOES PAST THE HORIZON, THUS CAUSING WHAT IS CALLED A SUNSET.

Also, if your beliefs are true, how can there be daylight on one side of the earth and night on the other, like so:



Whoops. Too bad real science and BASIC OBSERVATION has brough your theory crashing down around you.

Also, if your beliefs are true, how can there be daylight on one side of the earth and night on the other,

Read the FAQ.

like so: *image elided*

To other mods: please don't delete this image; it's pretty and original.

-Erasmus

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Above me is what's known as a "fallback tactic". It is most commonly used when someone comes out with a logical answer to an insane point.

In this case, the fallback tactic was to tell me to "read the FAQ".

Sorry, it won't work.

Above me is what's known as a "fallback tactic". It is most commonly used when someone comes out with a logical answer to an insane point.

In this case, the fallback tactic was to tell me to "read the FAQ".

Thanks for the lesson in... whatever it is you mistakenly think you're educating the world about.

I directed you to the "FAQ" because you were asking a frequently asked question.  The FAQ is there (and says "Please read before posting") so that we don't have to spend the time that I'm now spending.

Thanks for being intentionally irritating.

-Erasmus

Ah, thank you for making me read that. It only reaffirms my belief that this is total bollocks.

Now then, time to post something from the FAQ:

A: It's a perspective effect. Really, the sun is just getting farther away; it looks like it disappears because everything gets smaller and eventually disappears as it gets farther away.

One problem with this. If the sun was to get far enough away from the Earth to create night, all heat on the earth would dissapate in a matter of hours. Crops would fail, lakes would flash freeze, anyone outside would freeze to death in a matter of minutes. It would be global chaos.

And why hasn't that happened yet? Why does the temperature only differ by a few degrees between night and day?

If the sun was to get far enough away from the Earth to create night, all heat on the earth would dissapate in a matter of hours.

What?  Do you mean to suggest that in the RE universe, the sun is heating the dark side of  the Earth at night, and keeping it warm enough to prevent all heat from dissipating?

Anyway, heat doesn't dissipate as quickly as you seem to think; that's why temperatures don't differ that much between night and day.  This is the case both in the RE world and in the FE.

-Erasmus

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If the sun was to get far enough away from the Earth to create night, all heat on the earth would dissapate in a matter of hours.

What?  Do you mean to suggest that in the RE universe, the sun is heating the dark side of  the Earth at night, and keeping it warm enough to prevent all heat from dissipating?

Anyway, heat doesn't dissipate as quickly as you seem to think; that's why temperatures don't differ that much between night and day.  This is the case both in the RE world and in the FE.

-Erasmus

So the sun obviously goes further away than the stars does it? 'Cause I can see them. Also when it gets further away from the earth it also gets closer to the horizon to a point that you can only see half of it? And by the way, yes heat does travel through the ground to the otherside.

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Above me is what's known as a "fallback tactic". It is most commonly used when someone comes out with a logical answer to an insane point.

In this case, the fallback tactic was to tell me to "read the FAQ".

Thanks for the lesson in... whatever it is you mistakenly think you're educating the world about.

I directed you to the "FAQ" because you were asking a frequently asked question.  The FAQ is there (and says "Please read before posting") so that we don't have to spend the time that I'm now spending.

Thanks for being intentionally irritating.

-Erasmus

That would be fine and dandy, except it cannot answer how the sun is at the horizon at sunrise. If the sun is approximately 3,000 miles from the surface, and were in some sort of device to act as a spotlight, sunset would look similar to this:

(Spotlight in grey, to show that it exists)

Quote from: "Effinmonkeys"

If the sun was to get far enough away from the Earth to create night, all heat on the earth would dissapate in a matter of hours.

What?  Do you mean to suggest that in the RE universe, the sun is heating the dark side of  the Earth at night, and keeping it warm enough to prevent all heat from dissipating?

Anyway, heat doesn't dissipate as quickly as you seem to think; that's why temperatures don't differ that much between night and day.  This is the case both in the RE world and in the FE.

-Erasmus

It heats the other side of the Earth, and the atmosphere traps the heat in. Now, answer my original point.

"A: It's a perspective effect. Really, the sun is just getting farther away; it looks like it disappears because everything gets smaller and eventually disappears as it gets farther away.

One problem with this. If the sun was to get far enough away from the Earth to create night, all heat on the earth would dissapate in a matter of hours. Crops would fail, lakes would flash freeze, anyone outside would freeze to death in a matter of minutes. It would be global chaos."


You see, if the Sun Moved away from the Earth at night, For NO RESON MIND YOU, wait a second,

What force is governing the sun's movement away from the Earth?

Riddle me that retard

I still demand an answer. In the flat earth model, it is impossible to have sunrise and sunset. Therefore, the entire theory is invalidated.

If the flat earth model were correct then the sun would never approach the horizon. It would remain suspended in the sky and be eclipsed by the "spotlight” lampshade. So:

If FEer's assume that the sun is a spotlight and never "touches" the horizon, but:
We OBSERVE that the sun does indeed "touch" the horizon then:
The sun is not a spotlight and FEer's are retarded.

Q: "Please explain sunrises/sunsets."

A: It's a perspective effect. Really, the sun is just getting farther away; it looks like it disappears because everything gets smaller and eventually disappears as it gets farther away.

Ok, as a perspective effect things get smaller as they get farther away, true. But explain why as the sun approaches the horizon it appears to get larger?

So the sun obviously goes further away than the stars does it? 'Cause I can see them. Also when it gets further away from the earth it also gets closer to the horizon to a point that you can only see half of it?

This is incoherent.

And by the way, yes heat does travel through the ground to the otherside.

Sure sure; but if one side of the Earth were always dark, then it would be quite a bit colder than it is at night on the Earth.  Heat doesn't travel that quickly.

If heat did travel that quickly, then that would explain what keeps the night regions of the FE from freezing over at night.  Along with the other, less dumb explanation, namely that the atmosphere traps heat.

-Erasmus

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There's no sunset you morons!! If the sun never dips below the horizon there can't be a sunset, no can there? Have you ever actually seen a sunset with your own eyes? I didn't think so, CAUSE IT DOESN'T EXIST!!! It's just a myth, so shut up about the stupid nonexistent sunset.

Oh, I see, it is one of those handy 'optical illusions', right? Caused by 'atmospheric conditions'? :wink:

To be fair, your question is unreasonable, which is why nobody answered.

It's as if you asked your science teacher to explain mirages and said, "But don't use 'optical illusion' in your explanation.  I want to know why on a hot day, water gathers in pools far away from you, and then drains suddenly when you get near it!  It's not an illusion, I could see the water right there, and now it's gone!"

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There's no sunset you morons!! If the sun never dips below the horizon there can't be a sunset, no can there? Have you ever actually seen a sunset with your own eyes? I didn't think so, CAUSE IT DOESN'T EXIST!!! It's just a myth, so shut up about the stupid nonexistent sunset.

Oh, I see, it is one of those handy 'optical illusions', right? Caused by 'atmospheric conditions'? :wink:

To be fair, your question is unreasonable, which is why nobody answered.

It's as if you asked your science teacher to explain mirages and said, "But don't use 'optical illusion' in your explanation.  I want to know why on a hot day, water gathers in pools far away from you, and then drains suddenly when you get near it!  It's not an illusion, I could see the water right there, and now it's gone!"

The teacher could explain why the illusion occurs. In the case of a mirage it is simply the refraction of light due to the density of the atmosphere. This diagram illustrates that.

This diagram is an exaggeration but it shows the basic workings of a mirage.

It would be nice to see similar diagrams from flat earthers explaining their optical illusions. Actually, now that I think about it, technically the refraction of light isn't an optical illusion (update FAQ?).