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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #270 on: September 24, 2008, 12:56:58 PM »
Your original post was good, don't get distracted.  I'd hate to see you get banned because you have a good point, and being a person who actually works with the equipment and does this stuff for a living.
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #271 on: September 24, 2008, 02:27:03 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on September 24, 2008, 12:16:11 PM
The medium between the earth's atmosphere and the sun could be some other form of exotic medium or aether for all we know.

Well, there are good observations of the atmosphere and have yet to discover this "exotic medium."
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #272 on: September 24, 2008, 02:45:02 PM »
Sokarul was watching a kids TV show, and nobody mocked him for it? Shame on you all, especially you, Sokarul, you're either a mental retard or sexually attracted to one of the people, which, Wikipedia says, makes you either a paedo or just really weird.
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #273 on: September 24, 2008, 03:00:07 PM »
Quote from: Rig Navigator on September 24, 2008, 02:27:03 PM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on September 24, 2008, 12:16:11 PM
The medium between the earth's atmosphere and the sun could be some other form of exotic medium or aether for all we know.

Well, there are good observations of the atmosphere and have yet to discover this "exotic medium."

You're assuming that aether exists within the visible spectrum.
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #274 on: September 24, 2008, 03:07:11 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on September 24, 2008, 03:00:07 PM
You're assuming that aether exists within the visible spectrum.

Actually, I assume the aether doesn't exist at all.

You are assuming that there is some "medium" that can't be measured or observed, but still has a significant effect on visible light.
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #275 on: September 24, 2008, 03:19:53 PM »
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Actually, I assume the aether doesn't exist at all.

That's not what Einstein says.

Are you saying that you're smarter than Einstein?
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #276 on: September 24, 2008, 03:23:32 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on September 24, 2008, 03:19:53 PM
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Actually, I assume the aether doesn't exist at all.

That's not what Einstein says.

Are you saying that you're smarter than Einstein?

Actually, Tom, Einstein has been dead for some time.  He doesn't say anything.

And are you really trying to compare the tripe you presented here about aether to Einstein's concept thereof?

The Ego...
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #277 on: September 24, 2008, 05:13:34 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on September 24, 2008, 03:19:53 PM
Are you saying that you're smarter than Einstein?

No, I am saying that you are saying nothing that Einstein did.  Nowhere does he mention a "aether" or "medium" that will make light behave the way that you are saying that it will.
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #278 on: September 24, 2008, 05:15:49 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on September 24, 2008, 03:19:53 PM


Are you saying that you're smarter than Einstein?

Everyday.
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #279 on: September 25, 2008, 05:30:00 AM »
Quote from: Rig Navigator on September 24, 2008, 05:13:34 PM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on September 24, 2008, 03:19:53 PM
Are you saying that you're smarter than Einstein?

No, I am saying that you are saying nothing that Einstein did.  Nowhere does he mention a "aether" or "medium" that will make light behave the way that you are saying that it will.

And you have a transcript of everything Einstein ever thought or said?
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Quote from: Baseball4Life on April 16, 2010, 09:54:41 AM
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #280 on: September 25, 2008, 06:37:25 AM »
Quote from: Rig Navigator on September 24, 2008, 05:13:34 PM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on September 24, 2008, 03:19:53 PM
Are you saying that you're smarter than Einstein?

No, I am saying that you are saying nothing that Einstein did.  Nowhere does he mention a "aether" or "medium" that will make light behave the way that you are saying that it will.

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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #281 on: September 25, 2008, 06:43:00 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on September 25, 2008, 06:37:25 AM
Quote from: Rig Navigator on September 24, 2008, 05:13:34 PM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on September 24, 2008, 03:19:53 PM
Are you saying that you're smarter than Einstein?

No, I am saying that you are saying nothing that Einstein did.  Nowhere does he mention a "aether" or "medium" that will make light behave the way that you are saying that it will.




Nowhere in that video does Einstein define any kind of specific properties for the aether.
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #282 on: September 25, 2008, 08:03:29 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on September 25, 2008, 06:37:25 AM
Quote from: Rig Navigator on September 24, 2008, 05:13:34 PM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on September 24, 2008, 03:19:53 PM
Are you saying that you're smarter than Einstein?

No, I am saying that you are saying nothing that Einstein did.  Nowhere does he mention a "aether" or "medium" that will make light behave the way that you are saying that it will.



Tom,

I believe the "aether" Einstein was talking about is actually the fabric of spacetime, which is a million miles away from conditions of matter and energy needed to slow light in the laboritary. 

"Aethists" wrongly cling to this well-aired quote as proof that Einstein believed in the original idea of an physical interstellar medium
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #283 on: September 25, 2008, 08:38:27 AM »
Quote from: Moon squirter on September 25, 2008, 08:03:29 AM
I believe the "aether" Einstein was talking about is actually the fabric of spacetime. I have no proof, of course, but I shall still insinuate your stupidity for not sharing my unfounded blind faith on this subject.

That's what you really meant, and you know it.
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Quote from: Baseball4Life on April 16, 2010, 09:54:41 AM
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #284 on: September 25, 2008, 09:25:53 AM »
Quote from: General Douchebag on September 25, 2008, 08:38:27 AM
Quote from: Moon squirter on September 25, 2008, 08:03:29 AM
I believe the "aether" Einstein was talking about is actually the fabric of spacetime. I have no proof, of course, but I shall still insinuate your stupidity for not sharing my unfounded blind faith on this subject.

That's what you really meant, and you know it.

No, I meant what I originally said.  Please read the following Wiki article on Einstein-aether theory.

Please *think* before reacting next time.  It doesn't look good.

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Quote from: Tom Bishop on September 01, 2012, 01:00:09 PM
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #285 on: September 25, 2008, 09:40:40 AM »
Is it the opinion of FE that light from a laser is slowed down on its way to and from the moon, to make it appear that the moon is much further away than it actually is?
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #286 on: September 25, 2008, 10:01:45 AM »
Quote from: ragnarr on September 25, 2008, 09:40:40 AM
Is it the opinion of FE that light from a laser is slowed down on its way to and from the moon, to make it appear that the moon is much further away than it actually is?

I did a similar thead last year on "moon bounce"  (bounce radio waves off the moon). 

The "Dark Energy Field" (DEF) was given as the cause of this slowing.
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Quote from: Tom Bishop on September 01, 2012, 01:00:09 PM
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #287 on: September 25, 2008, 12:28:40 PM »
Actually I do believe that was the answer, then an RE'er responded with this:

Quote from: Optimus Prime on December 02, 2007, 05:43:59 PM
Quote from: divito the truthist on December 02, 2007, 05:33:10 PM
Quote from: Optimus Prime on December 02, 2007, 04:15:34 PM
I think that was the whole point.

He asked a question knowing that the answer would be the same as in RE?

If you read his response it's pretty obvious. Asking a question to prove a point is not that outlandish of an idea. It happens sometimes.

Anyway, since that was all discussed a while back in this thread already... how about...

Quote from: Optimus Prime on December 02, 2007, 12:44:14 PM
Back on topic. What kind of data would you like? (I'm talking to Tom or any other FE ers that would seriously like some raw data)

I'm a HAM operator. Haven't had a chance to work the bands in a while and thought I'd get out my old 2 meter rig and see who I could call up out there. Seems to be working pretty good still.

I've not been to a competition in probably 10 years or more, but here is the 2006 EME results page, and the article although brief, at least outlines the frequencies and some equipment used for such things. I'm sure I can chew the fat with some of the guys (and hey... 2 different YL contacts [women] ... more and more women every year in HAM radio. Nice.) and find about any reference materials, data, personal data, etc. you might want.

Just ask. Let me know what the specifics are that you are wanting, and I'll be glad to provide! :D


Anyone?

Link fixes / updates:
ARRL EME Contest results www.arrl.org/contests/results/2006/eme.pdf
ARRL EME Contest Rules http://www.arrl.org/contests/rules/2006/eme.html
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No response after that.  Too bad it was an interesting topic.  I am just looking for a yes or no to my question, from an FE'er not RE.
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #288 on: September 26, 2008, 06:55:48 AM »
No answer?
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #289 on: September 27, 2008, 01:47:47 AM »
Quote from: ragnarr on September 26, 2008, 06:55:48 AM
No answer?

I wouldn't expect one.  It involves non-governmental proof of the distance to the Moon. 

Of course, there was a thread that tried to use the extreme retardation of the speed of light as an explanation.
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #290 on: September 28, 2008, 10:02:32 PM »
Quote from: Alx_xlA on September 28, 2008, 09:05:29 PM
You'd need a telescope 2.5 times as large as the largest one in existence to see the Apollo landing site, which is about 400 000km away from Earth. Can you imagine how big a telescope you'd need to see a LITTLE Green Man 200 000 000km away?

Thank you for supporting my point.
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #291 on: September 28, 2008, 11:57:13 PM »
Quote from: Alx_xlA on September 28, 2008, 09:05:29 PM
You'd need a telescope 2.5 times as large as the largest one in existence to see the Apollo landing site, which is about 400 000km away from Earth. Can you imagine how big a telescope you'd need to see a LITTLE Green Man 200 000 000km away?

I think that the plan was to look for the shadow cast by the lower section of the lunar lander.  That section is 10 meters in diameter, and if the light was from low on the lunar horizon, it would cast a shadow that could be 50 or 60 meters long. 

I can't see evidence that they even tried to make the observations or if that was just a suggestion from while they were still building the telescope.
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #292 on: September 30, 2008, 03:43:23 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on August 27, 2008, 07:15:51 PM
All those explanations to explain away the moon anomalies are pretty much "it's an illusion!!" with no further evidence to corroborate that assertion. Mythbusters, Bad Astronomy, et all. will need to actually prove that it's all an illusion. Anyone can yell "it's an illusion" at anything. The claim of an illusion along with some vague explanation concerning optics or physics isn't proof that the explanation is true. It isn't proof of anything.

Except when it's explaining FE theory of course. (Check your FAQ)

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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #293 on: January 10, 2009, 03:13:25 PM »
« Last Edit: January 10, 2009, 03:56:15 PM by svenanders »
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #294 on: January 10, 2009, 03:42:56 PM »
No they didn't
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #295 on: January 10, 2009, 03:56:42 PM »
Yes they did. Take a look at the video.
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #296 on: January 10, 2009, 04:26:59 PM »
There's plenty of evidence that we've been to the Moon. It's just that it's all dismissed as it disagrees with your hypothesis.
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #297 on: January 10, 2009, 04:30:55 PM »
Quote from: svenanders on January 10, 2009, 03:56:42 PM
Yes they did. Take a look at the video.
A laser bounced back from the moon?

1. No proof it hit the moon
2. No proof man was on the moon
3. Even if it hit the moon the only proof is that the moon is reflective enough in that particular spot to bounce a laser back.
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #298 on: January 10, 2009, 04:47:29 PM »
Quote from: Johannes Kepler on January 10, 2009, 04:30:55 PM
Quote from: svenanders on January 10, 2009, 03:56:42 PM
Yes they did. Take a look at the video.
A laser bounced back from the moon?

1. No proof it hit the moon
2. No proof man was on the moon
3. Even if it hit the moon the only proof is that the moon is reflective enough in that particular spot to bounce a laser back.

No, they know exactly where to point the beam to get that reflection back. If the beam was to point to another place on the
moons surface, only 8% of the light will be reflected back.

You watch that video again.
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #299 on: January 10, 2009, 04:54:40 PM »
Thats not proof we were on the moon.
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