Try this experiment

you can measure the earths curvature using this method

http://www.astro.princeton.edu/~clark/MeasECBkgd.html  (keep clicking next)

If anyone has the sufficent recources, please go ahead and do it

win for RE.

ya know.. we REers are really getting tired of being right all the time.. you FEers need to step it up..

OK, wait for a very large lake to freeze over, one so big that the 'curvature of the earth' can be seen across it. Go to the middle of the lake "the highest part " and put on your ice skates and you'll slide all the way home with out pushing - because the frozen lake will have a curved surface 

Pah, as we follow your 'more serious' method to 'prove round' you do these experiments.

Ok gravity is not universal, everyone is pulled towards the center of the ROUND earth which means it will make you stay the same, its like you think that people would slip and fall off the planet

hahahahah phonicbooms repsonse made me laugh very hard

hahahahah phonicbooms repsonse made me laugh very hard

lol me to... for such "logical thinkers" they are really "slipping" up lol

Ok gravity is not universal, everyone is pulled towards the center of the ROUND earth which means it will make you stay the same, its like you think that people would slip and fall off the planet

If your model was true, you would.

OK, wait for a very large lake to freeze over, one so big that the 'curvature of the earth' can be seen across it. Go to the middle of the lake "the highest part " and put on your ice skates and you'll slide all the way home with out pushing - because the frozen lake will have a curved surface 

What exactly does this prove?

Quote from: phonicboom on August 17, 2008, 05:39:33 PM

OK, wait for a very large lake to freeze over, one so big that the 'curvature of the earth' can be seen across it. Go to the middle of the lake "the highest part " and put on your ice skates and you'll slide all the way home with out pushing - because the frozen lake will have a curved surface 

What exactly does this prove?

IF the world was curved, then the water surface of the lake, being so large, would be curved too. So, IF the world is round, when it freezes the ice would be curved and someone could start in the middle of the lake and slide to the edge with out applying any force.

That is not the case, as we all know: so, ergo, the world is flat and has no curvature.

Yeah, that's not right. In the RE model, "gravity" works perpendicular to you and the surface of the earth, that is entirely vertically. It would not move you in a horizontal direction.

Yeah, that's not right. In the RE model, "gravity" works perpendicular to you and the surface of the earth, that is entirely vertically. It would not move you in a horizontal direction.

You can ski down a hill, this is a small scale model of that.

on a flat earth, you could find a perfectly flat lake, stand on it and you would slide north towards the centre of the disc, because of gravity. 

on a flat earth, you could find a perfectly flat lake, stand on it and you would slide north towards the centre of the disc, because of gravity. 

Or toward the center because of the capillary action making the edges higher than the center.

You can ski down a hill, this is a small scale model of that.

No it isn't. You have no less gravitational potential energy at the edges of the lake than you do at the centre.

You can ski down a hill, this is a small scale model of that.

Ahh, no. It's not. In RE you can ski down a hill because the top of the hill is further from the center of the Earth than the bottom of it is. The surface of a frozen lake is all the same distance from the center of the RE Earth.

ok, so if a lake on RE and a lake on FE both froze over they would both be flat. One would be Flat Flat and one would be Flat relative to the curve. So take a large block of ice and see if it is flat or curved. If it's flat, so is the world.

I'm trying to do my best to get my head into the FE model (which i like very much but an new to), It makes more sense to me for the world to be flat but all my "education" thus far has been RE so you have to forgive the odd hiccup in logic.

So take a large block of ice and see if it is flat or curved. If it's flat, so is the world.

Ahh ... what? Wait, are you saying if you made a large enough block of ice in the RE world then it would have a curved surface? You would be right, but it would have to be an incredibly large block of ice.

And don't worry about throwing theories out and about and seeing what sticks and what not. Lots of friendly people here to answer any questions.

Quote from: phonicboom on August 18, 2008, 04:44:47 AM

So take a large block of ice and see if it is flat or curved. If it's flat, so is the world.

Ahh ... what? Wait, are you saying if you made a large enough block of ice in the RE world then it would have a curved surface? You would be right, but it would have to be an incredibly large block of ice.

And don't worry about throwing theories out and about and seeing what sticks and what not. Lots of friendly people here to answer any questions.

Yes so a 6mile or more block of ice - or something

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

Yes so a 6mile or more block of ice - or something

And how would measuring the curvature of such a colossal block of ice without breaking it be any easier than measuring the curvature of the Earth itself?

Quote from: phonicboom on August 18, 2008, 05:04:16 AM

Yes so a 6mile or more block of ice - or something

And how would measuring the curvature of such a colossal block of ice without breaking it be any easier than measuring the curvature of the Earth itself?

water is the level used by Birley Rowbotham so i'm sticking to that. How would it be so difficult to measure such a block of ice? we have lasers and straight edges at our disposal, it took more equipment to start the RE lie and back it up. I'm not asking much

water is the level used by Birley Rowbotham so i'm sticking to that. How would it be so difficult to measure such a block of ice? we have lasers and straight edges at our disposal, it took more equipment to start the RE lie and back it up. I'm not asking much

Light bends up.

Quote from: phonicboom on August 18, 2008, 05:41:59 AM

water is the level used by Birley Rowbotham so i'm sticking to that. How would it be so difficult to measure such a block of ice? we have lasers and straight edges at our disposal, it took more equipment to start the RE lie and back it up. I'm not asking much

Light bends up.

How does it bend up?  is it being accelerated in a single direction? 

How does it bend up?

The EA.

is it being accelerated in a single direction? 

No.

Quote from: lolz at trollz on August 18, 2008, 06:36:08 AM

How does it bend up?

The EA.

Quote from: lolz at trollz on August 18, 2008, 06:36:08 AM

is it being accelerated in a single direction? 

No.

So how exactly is is being accelerated?  What is the pattern? 

So how exactly is is being accelerated?  What is the pattern? 

The acceleration vector is always perpendicular to the velocity vector and oriented so as to minimise the angle between it and a vector pointing directly up. I do not yet have a detailed mathematical description of the magnitude of the acceleration.

Quote from: lolz at trollz on August 18, 2008, 06:42:35 AM

So how exactly is is being accelerated?  What is the pattern? 

The acceleration vector is always perpendicular to the velocity vector and oriented so as to minimise the angle between it and a vector pointing directly up. I do not yet have a detailed mathematical description of the magnitude of the acceleration.

And so there is something that applies a force to this light to accelerate it, and this something applies a different force in a different direction depending on the direction the light is travelling in.  So each photon gets a unique force dependant on it's exact direction of travel? 

And this is done by a natural, rational force? 

Edit- Just had to as a LOL to the end here.

And so there is something that applies a force to this light to accelerate it, and this something applies a different force in a different direction depending on the direction the light is travelling in.  So each photon gets a unique force dependant on it's exact direction of travel? 

And this is done by a natural, rational force? 

Edit- Just had to as a LOL to the end here.

I'd be LOLing at moving charges in a magnetic field too then, if I were you.

Quote from: lolz at trollz on August 18, 2008, 06:53:01 AM

And so there is something that applies a force to this light to accelerate it, and this something applies a different force in a different direction depending on the direction the light is travelling in.  So each photon gets a unique force dependant on it's exact direction of travel? 

And this is done by a natural, rational force? 

Edit- Just had to as a LOL to the end here.

I'd be LOLing at moving charges in a magnetic field too then, if I were you.

no, because that makes sense, it is all relative to the field.  Your light idea relative to every single place some light reflects from for the light that reflected there but not other light that reflected from somewhere else. 

no, because that makes sense, it is all relative to the field.  Your light idea relative to every single place some light reflects from for the light that reflected there but not other light that reflected from somewhere else.

I'm afraid I don't follow you at all. The magnitude and direction of the acceleration light experiences as a result of the EA is dependent only on the direction of its velocity vector.