meteors

if all the universe is centered around the earth and is some how attached to it, how do meteors hit the earth

Meteors are flying around at random.

if all the universe is centered around the earth and is some how attached to it, how do meteors hit the earth

It's not.  My opinion is that meteors come out of the unobservable part of the universe.

if all the universe is centered around the earth and is some how attached to it, how do meteors hit the earth

Stumbled upon this, We never did get a sensible answer.

Why do meteors fall out of the sky? 
Should they not be held up in the "cosmic plane" with all the other stars?
Why do we get annual meteor showers?

Quote from: lomnan on August 06, 2008, 12:24:18 PM

if all the universe is centered around the earth and is some how attached to it, how do meteors hit the earth

It's not.  My opinion is that meteors come out of the unobservable part of the universe.

Is that FE code for "where the Sun don't shine"?

sorry.. that was just my first thought when I read that : p

One might equally ask: "If the Universe is expanding (in RET), how do meteors hit the Earth?" The answer is the same.

One might equally ask: "If the Universe is expanding (in RET), how do meteors hit the Earth?" The answer is the same.

The fact that the universe is expanding does not require everything to be moving away from everything. Otherwise the solar system in its present form could not exist.

The fact that the universe is expanding does not require everything to be moving away from everything. Otherwise the solar system in its present form could not exist.

I didn't ask for an answer. I pointed out that the question is similar to that being asked of FEers, with a similar answer too.

Quote from: MadDogX on September 19, 2008, 03:40:04 AM

The fact that the universe is expanding does not require everything to be moving away from everything. Otherwise the solar system in its present form could not exist.

I didn't ask for an answer. I pointed out that the question is similar to that being asked of FEers, with a similar answer too.

I know. But I'm a compulsive smart-ass.

Quote from: MadDogX on September 19, 2008, 03:40:04 AM

The fact that the universe is expanding does not require everything to be moving away from everything. Otherwise the solar system in its present form could not exist.

I didn't ask for an answer. I pointed out that the question is similar to that being asked of FEers, with a similar answer too.

FE requires the entire heavens to be on a plane, 3000 miles above the earth.  Meteors do not conform to this.
RE does not require everything in the cosmos to be moving away.

So why do meteors loose the ability to stay in this plane? (especially at certain times in the year)

FE requires the entire heavens to be on a plane, 3000 miles above the earth.

No it doesn't.

Quote from: Moon squirter on September 19, 2008, 05:20:48 AM

FE requires the entire heavens to be on a plane, 3000 miles above the earth.

No it doesn't.

Yes it does.  It can be demonstrated using triangulation at different points on the earth's surface.  Are so saying there is more to the FE universe?

Yes it does.  It can be demonstrated using triangulation at different points on the earth's surface.  Are so saying there is more to the FE universe?

It isn't so much a plane as a disc. Some object have orbits that take them closer to the Earth than is normal.

Quote from: Moon squirter on September 19, 2008, 07:04:33 AM

Yes it does.  It can be demonstrated using triangulation at different points on the earth's surface.  Are so saying there is more to the FE universe?

It isn't so much a plane as a disc. Some object have orbits that take them closer to the Earth than is normal.

Which objects are these?  Surely the sky's appearance would vary from different points on the earth's service, if this were the case.

Quote from: Osama  bin Laden on September 19, 2008, 03:45:20 AM

Quote from: MadDogX on September 19, 2008, 03:40:04 AM

The fact that the universe is expanding does not require everything to be moving away from everything. Otherwise the solar system in its present form could not exist.

I didn't ask for an answer. I pointed out that the question is similar to that being asked of FEers, with a similar answer too.

I know. But I'm a compulsive smart-ass.

lol

It's reasonable to assume that there's a lot more out there than we can see.  That's where these rocks that hit the earth come from. 

Quote from: MadDogX on September 19, 2008, 03:40:04 AM

The fact that the universe is expanding does not require everything to be moving away from everything. Otherwise the solar system in its present form could not exist.

I didn't ask for an answer because I knew that it was a bogus question.

Fixed that for you.

omg who bumped  this i completely forgot about this
this was like one of my first noob threads

omg who bumped  this i completely forgot about this
this was like one of my first noob threads

unless your a not a little flatty, you are a noob

if all the universe is centered around the earth and is some how attached to it, how do meteors hit the earth

Meteors are objects that can be accelerating at a rate less than that of the Earth, meaning the Earth will hit them.

Quote from: lomnan on August 06, 2008, 12:24:18 PM

if all the universe is centered around the earth and is some how attached to it, how do meteors hit the earth

Meteors are objects that can be accelerating at a rate less than that of the Earth, meaning the Earth will hit them.

No, from what I understand, the meteors lose there electromagnetic properties and the DE stops acting upon them.  Then the earth accelerates up to them.  There are other threads about this.

Yes, see here.

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=21730.0

UA only affects certain bodies with special properties, which is why it does not affect us.

I've speculated that the properties Universal Accelerator affects are electromagnetic in nature. All bodies which exhibit a certain level of electromagnetic influence are affected by the UA. All bodies that do not exhibit a certain level of electromagnetic influence are not affected by UA. The bodies who lose their level of electromagnetic influence through collisions in space, half-life degradation, or bits which break off from passing by comets become unaffected by the UA and fall towards the earth.

The properties UA affects could alternatively be related to the energy density of a body; but more research will be done to determine the precise mechanism of UA.

Tom is Lord of all that is flat.  Do not question anything it says.

I can't even be bothered to tear into that thread.

Quoting Tom isn't really the way to go. Even the FE'ers think he's nuts.

Well OK I'll just add this:

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UA only affects certain bodies with special properties, which is why it does not affect us.

Requires divine intervention.

So magnetism requires divine intervention, then? 

The effects of magnetic fields on materials is well documented. There's is no magical, wonko, unknown, undefinable and irrational effect taking place, in which the hand of God is required to intervene to make the theory stack up.

And if you're saying the "UA" is a big magnetic field then fine, call it the magnetic field from now on. We can progress from there.

But the earth's magnetic field only affects certain bodies with special properties.  Are you saying that God created the earth's magnetic field?

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on September 20, 2008, 06:00:01 PM

Quote from: goldstein on September 20, 2008, 05:20:28 PM

The effects of magnetic fields on materials is well documented. There's is no magical, wonko, unknown, undefinable and irrational effect taking place, in which the hand of God is required to intervene to make the theory stack up.

And if you're saying the "UA" is a big magnetic field then fine, call it the magnetic field from now on. We can progress from there.

But the earth's magnetic field only affects certain bodies with special properties.  Are you saying that God created the earth's magnetic field?

No I'm saying that we know exactly what bodies the earths magnetic field will have an effect on. If God created it, he set it spinning and let it be, he doesn't need to step in every half an hour and have to make a decision about what gets slapped with the "UA"

So before we had enough knowledge to understand exactly what bodies the earth's magnetic field will have an effect on, it was all God?

Why does God have to step in every half hour and make a decision about what is affected by the UA?

Sorry for all the questions, but I'm an agnostic and I'm not used to considering things from the kind of God-centered view of the universe you're espousing.

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on September 20, 2008, 06:09:12 PM

Why does God have to step in every half hour and make a decision about what is affected by the UA?

From Tom's statement:

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UA only affects certain bodies with special properties, which is why it does not affect us.

This is a highly ambigious statement, which given the vagarities inherent in "certain bodies" and "special properties" and "not affect us" calls for the Hand Of God.

Unless you can specify rules which are applicable to all bodies at all times then this is an appeal to divine intervention.

I disagree.  Just because such rules are unknown doesn't mean they don't exist.  I'm of the opinion that the heavenly bodies are composed of something entirely alien to us and that's the reason why they are able to float above us and still be accelerated by the DEF.  Meteors, demonstrably, are not, so they fall to the earth when caught in the DEF.  It's pretty simple; no divine intervention necessary.

Even given Tom's statement: you're right, it's vague, but that could just be because we don't have enough knowledge to know what the rules are.  There was a time when the same could be said of magnetism, and many probably assumed there was some kind of supernatural power affecting the magnet.  With further research, we could move on from vague explanations involving witchcraft and explain it scientifically.  Just because we're not there yet with FET doesn't mean that we won't be in the future.  Again, no divine intervention necessary, just the humble admission (so elusive to those who study science from a RE perspective) that we don't understand all the mysteries of the universe and still have much to learn.

I'm still trying to figure out why the impact speeds don't match.  Could it be that meteors are also not aligned with the celestial plane? 

From Tom's statement:

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UA only affects certain bodies with special properties, which is why it does not affect us.

This is a highly ambigious statement, which given the vagarities inherent in "certain bodies" and "special properties" and "not affect us" calls for the Hand Of God.

FES doesn't care what Tom says.

UA, the effect of DE, affects everything in the universe. DEF happens to shield us from UA.

It will be added soon. Just wait.