RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation

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RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« on: June 30, 2008, 06:34:23 PM »
This post is to show the Round Earth version of gravity and the universe. This shows how RE gravity operates and how science thinks the universe started.
I believe Earth is spherical, not plate-shaped, as does most of the planet's poulation. this is purely informative, and does not discriminate FE'rs. 

Scientist belive, according to Einstein, that everything that exists (matter,Energy) curves space time. Think of a large sheet of rubber, now think of putting a round weight on it, it bends the sheet. Now roll smaller weights towards the bend, it curves their paths to orbit the larger mass. (Earth-Sun, Moon-Earth) but in most cases, the weight will not roll into the gravity well of the other weight on an ideal angle. it will simply fly past it, or fall into the other on a collision course. RE gravity works this way, except with the rubber sheet being space-time, and the weights being any significant macroscopic body. Also, and this is harder to grasp, the space-time extends infinitely in every direction ( Due to the hypothetical metaverse, or universe made of smaller universes). By every direction I mean Everywhere(except black hole event horizons where matter and energy  become infinite in size and weight, while at the same remains infinitely small and light, due to quantum mechaics and the uncertainty principle) in star gravity wells it's shape distorts only by a few thousand miles (which in astronomical distances in extremely small).

This effect lessens with size until, at atomic scale, Electromagnetic and the nuclear forces become 1 trillion times more apprent.


In FE theory, they (you) belive, like RE'rs belive the universe started in the Big Bang, (or a similar event) which caused cosmic inflation. Apparently, immediately after the Big Bang, the Universal Accelerator or UA kicked in. it caused all objects to move upwards with the expansion. soon after, celestial bodies appeared and flattend out, due to the acceleration (which causes gravity to appear, much like the "fake" ISS. No offence. After that life appeared on Earth, much like in Round Earth, with harsh volcanoes and violent storms. I dare not mention panspermia (aliens starting life on Earth) because most FE'rs don't belive in aliens. After that, same old, same old.


The universe in RE is dominated by gravity, partly caused by cosmic expansion, like FE, but on a much lesser scale than normal, object driven gravity.


The universe in FE, is probably much smaller than currently thought by RE, or much, MUCH larger, (infinite). most FE'rs think that all objects outside Earth are small, below 36 miles/kilometres, this means that the universe must be very, very small.


I appreciate if you just read all that dribble coming from a High school student. especially the FE'rs, who are probaly ticked their main section was smaller than the RE one. Sorry, but I couldent explain more than that. (Actually, I could, but most would not understand. ;D ;D ;D >:()

I hope you enjoyed it, and if you want me to add to it, just post. :) ;D :D ;)

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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2008, 06:39:25 PM »
I have a question about the whole bending of space time thing.  I am an RE'er by the way.

Why don't moons have a polar orbit and how does that play into the bending of space time.  Why are all the planets on the same orbital plane as us?

Im not be facetious, I am genuinely interested in this physics thing.

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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2008, 06:45:41 PM »
All significant bodies have polar orbits, that's easy to say. The moon also has a gravity well, only 1/6 of Earths but it's still there. it affects space time just at a reduced rate. The reason all planets are on the same plane is that the gravity in the new solar system was concentrated in rings around Sol (the sun). so naturally, matter gravitated there and formed planets.

And by the way, I knew you were a RE'r, used to read this site alot as a guest, i really liked the post with the plane and boat travel times, you rocked that post! 8)

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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2008, 06:53:25 PM »
The reason all planets are on the same plane is that the gravity in the new solar system was concentrated in rings around Sol (the sun).

I thought gravitation is exerted equally in all dimensions. Shouldn't we see planets in all sorts of random orbits as opposed to primarily one plane?

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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2008, 07:00:22 PM »
You are correct, gravity does disperse extra-dimensionally, that is why it is weaker than the other three forces. But no, gravity from other dimensions does not interfere with matter here, (as far as we know). But almost universally found in extrasolar planets is a single unified plane where planets gather. Don't get me wrong, not all planets everywhere are in the same plane, entire solar systems have been found on their sides! and another thing, once a clump of matter forms on a plane next to the star, more will be attracted to that plane etc.

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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2008, 07:13:08 PM »
"Gravity" is theorized to disperse in extra dimensions in brane cosmology to reconcile the observations to theory (this is what RE'ers call 'magic'). This isn't needed in other cosmological models (GR, etc).
My question remains why do nearly all planets orbit in a single plane?
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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2008, 07:21:28 PM »
Matter tends to clump together, thats why we have stars and planets and galaxies. When matter clumps around a star, it pulls more into it's general plane, creating general place for planets to form.

before 2006, pluto was one of only 11 out of 287 planets to have an unusual orbit.

One more thing, arn't you a FE'r, you're on it's side alot. but you also help RE. So what do you believe in?

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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2008, 07:28:46 PM »
Why would "gravity" attract things into a "general plane" as opposed to a general sphere? I'm told constantly that matter accretes in spheres as evidence the earth could never form as a disc.

I believe in a flat disc cosmology. I only help RE dogmatics with their misunderstanding of physics.
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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2008, 07:37:42 PM »
you have basically been agreeing with me the whole time. I know that it attracts a sphere of matter, thats what planets are :o. but it also creates ring around it self, before entering the sphere. This ring is disrupted by the suns gravity, but not before in collects into a basic final plane. I really can't explain much more than that, it is how it is, thats the weak Antropotic principle afterall :P.

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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2008, 07:50:01 PM »
Why would it create a ring around itself? As opposed to say a globe around itself?



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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2008, 07:52:46 PM »
Gravity does not exist.

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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2008, 07:53:49 PM »
The ring is simply matter "waiting in line" to get into the sphere, like the Earth itself, it would crash into the sun eventually, due to tidal effects pulling it closer. that however, would take many billions of years, many

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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2008, 07:55:49 PM »
Gravity does not exist.

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You're killing my fun hypothetical trip to the magical land of RET...
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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2008, 07:56:02 PM »
To FE'rs it doesent, it is simulated by dark energy/Universal Accelerator. Read my intro post, it will cover both RE and FE Gravity. Ski was asking a RE question.

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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2008, 07:57:36 PM »
omg, i am such a fool i though theengineer asked, but it was a qoute. win for you lol :( :( :( :'( :'(

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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2008, 07:57:58 PM »

The question remains, why is it waiting in line on a single plane instead of all around the sphere?

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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2008, 08:01:35 PM »
how does gravity not exist in RE? and second of all, if there where no rings of matter, there would be few planets, and no spiral galaxies, the ring is caused by tidal forces.

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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2008, 08:03:46 PM »

The question remains, why is it waiting in line on a single plane instead of all around the sphere?
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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2008, 08:07:07 PM »
how does gravity not exist in RE?

It's been proven wrong.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2008, 08:08:25 PM »
TIDAL FORCES >:( >:( >:( drag effects caused by the medium of space and the solar wind makes it form a RING, much like a spiral galaxy's rings/arms. This can also be caused by rotation of an object.

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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2008, 08:09:29 PM »
how does gravity not exist in RE?
Because it is a figment of your imagination.


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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2008, 08:09:36 PM »
I know that FE lacks gravity, but without gravity, RE falls apart.

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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2008, 08:10:44 PM »
Without gravity, your magical land falls apart.


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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2008, 08:11:09 PM »
TIDAL FORCES >:( >:( >:( drag effects caused by the medium of space and the solar wind makes it form a RING, much like a spiral galaxy's rings/arms. This can also be caused by rotation of an object.


The sun's solar winds only disperse in one direction? Wouldn't it propagate in all directions?
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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #24 on: June 30, 2008, 08:13:00 PM »
Are there no RE'rs to help? anyone. Because this is getting annoying. figment of my imagination? What about your universal accelerator? it could alllllll be your imagination. Wupeeee!

Yes, it does, thats why the ring forms around the star

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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #25 on: June 30, 2008, 08:14:42 PM »
Why are you criticizing my beleifs? I never insulted your beliefs

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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #26 on: June 30, 2008, 08:15:25 PM »
figment of my imagination?
That's right.  It is a construct of your mind.


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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #27 on: June 30, 2008, 08:15:37 PM »
What prevents solar wind from escaping the sun through the top? Doesn't the corona encapsule the whole of the sun?

Your RE world is pretty odd...


Also, "gravity" doesn't exist in modern RE cosmologies either.
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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #28 on: June 30, 2008, 08:16:14 PM »
Are there no RE'rs to help? anyone. Because this is getting annoying. figment of my imagination? What about your universal accelerator? it could alllllll be your imagination. Wupeeee!

Yes, it does, thats why the ring forms around the star


One body orbiting another does not prove that gravity exists. Bodies will also orbit each other through the columb or electomagnetic force.

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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #29 on: June 30, 2008, 08:16:55 PM »
Why are you criticizing my beleifs? I never insulted your beliefs


I didn't see any destructive criticism. I saw them instruct you that RE physicists have by and large abandoned the "gravity" you speak of.
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