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Re: If gravity doesn't exist....
« Reply #30 on: June 01, 2008, 11:12:04 AM »
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UA doesn't accelerate the ball.  Once the ball leaves your hand and reaches its maximum height (after your throw), it enters an inertial frame of reference in which it "floats" in the air. The Earth accelerates you up, so your hand catches it. In a bystander's point of view, it looks as if the ball falls back to your hand.
So you saying it somehow magically loses it momentum? That makes a lot of damn sense. I can't reference newton's laws here because obviously you don't believe in them.

Ball leaves hand: No longer accelerating.
Earth accelerating constantly: Catches up with ball.

Exactly. Ball leaves hand with velocity higher than earth. Earth accelerates to meet it.
So your saying that the earth consciously speeds up to meet this ball? Wouldn't you feel that? Your weight would suddenly spike, this makes no sense.

Yes the Earth speeds up. It's always speeding up which is why you do indeed feel it every time you put your feet on the ground. I think the problem you're having is distinguishing velocity and acceleration. In FE theory the Earth is accelerating at a rate of 9.8 ms-2. When you hold a ball it is also accelerating at that rate (via you) seeing as it's distance to Earth is constant (unless you start waving it up and down of course). If you let go then there is nothing to keep pushing the ball and accelerate it so it stays at the velocity it was the moment it was dropped. The Earth is of course still accelerating so eventually catches up with the ball.
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Re: If gravity doesn't exist....
« Reply #31 on: June 01, 2008, 11:16:02 AM »
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UA doesn't accelerate the ball.  Once the ball leaves your hand and reaches its maximum height (after your throw), it enters an inertial frame of reference in which it "floats" in the air. The Earth accelerates you up, so your hand catches it. In a bystander's point of view, it looks as if the ball falls back to your hand.
So you saying it somehow magically loses it momentum? That makes a lot of damn sense. I can't reference newton's laws here because obviously you don't believe in them.

Ball leaves hand: No longer accelerating.
Earth accelerating constantly: Catches up with ball.
How is the earth accelerating constantly? One of you FErs already said the earth travels at a consistent rate of 1g. We would constantly be growing in eight very rapidly if this were the case. And Who's side are you on?

FE theory does not explain the mechanism of the acceleration much like RE theory does not explain the mechanism of gravitation. The Earth does accelerate at 1g in FE theory. In RE theory we acclerate towards the Earth at 1g. The two are indistinguishable as Einstein pointed out. I'm not sure what growing in eight means. My side depends purely on the debate in hand.
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Re: If gravity doesn't exist....
« Reply #32 on: June 01, 2008, 11:22:54 AM »
Quote from: Kasroa Is Gone on June 01, 2008, 11:12:04 AM
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UA doesn't accelerate the ball.  Once the ball leaves your hand and reaches its maximum height (after your throw), it enters an inertial frame of reference in which it "floats" in the air. The Earth accelerates you up, so your hand catches it. In a bystander's point of view, it looks as if the ball falls back to your hand.
So you saying it somehow magically loses it momentum? That makes a lot of damn sense. I can't reference newton's laws here because obviously you don't believe in them.

Ball leaves hand: No longer accelerating.
Earth accelerating constantly: Catches up with ball.

Exactly. Ball leaves hand with velocity higher than earth. Earth accelerates to meet it.
So your saying that the earth consciously speeds up to meet this ball? Wouldn't you feel that? Your weight would suddenly spike, this makes no sense.

Yes the Earth speeds up. It's always speeding up which is why you do indeed feel it every time you put your feet on the ground. I think the problem you're having is distinguishing velocity and acceleration. In FE theory the Earth is accelerating at a rate of 9.8 ms-2. When you hold a ball it is also accelerating at that rate (via you) seeing as it's distance to Earth is constant (unless you start waving it up and down of course). If you let go then there is nothing to keep pushing the ball and accelerate it so it stays at the velocity it was the moment it was dropped. The Earth is of course still accelerating so eventually catches up with the ball.
So the ball just loses all it's momentum? I've already brought this up, friction would not completely stop the ball.
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Re: If gravity doesn't exist....
« Reply #33 on: June 01, 2008, 11:24:23 AM »
Quote from: Kasroa Is Gone on June 01, 2008, 11:16:02 AM
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UA doesn't accelerate the ball.  Once the ball leaves your hand and reaches its maximum height (after your throw), it enters an inertial frame of reference in which it "floats" in the air. The Earth accelerates you up, so your hand catches it. In a bystander's point of view, it looks as if the ball falls back to your hand.
So you saying it somehow magically loses it momentum? That makes a lot of damn sense. I can't reference newton's laws here because obviously you don't believe in them.

Ball leaves hand: No longer accelerating.
Earth accelerating constantly: Catches up with ball.
How is the earth accelerating constantly? One of you FErs already said the earth travels at a consistent rate of 1g. We would constantly be growing in eight very rapidly if this were the case. And Who's side are you on?

FE theory does not explain the mechanism of the acceleration much like RE theory does not explain the mechanism of gravitation. The Earth does accelerate at 1g in FE theory. In RE theory we accelerate towards the Earth at 1g. The two are indistinguishable as Einstein pointed out. I'm not sure what growing in eight means. My side depends purely on the debate in hand.
Weight! It's a typo damnit!
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Re: If gravity doesn't exist....
« Reply #34 on: June 01, 2008, 11:30:36 AM »
Quote from: CaptainBaconMan on June 01, 2008, 11:24:23 AM
Quote from: Kasroa Is Gone on June 01, 2008, 11:16:02 AM
Quote from: CaptainBaconMan on June 01, 2008, 11:05:34 AM
Quote from: Kasroa Is Gone on May 31, 2008, 10:40:45 AM
Quote from: CaptainBaconMan on May 31, 2008, 10:03:45 AM
Quote from: Jack. on May 31, 2008, 01:27:10 AM
UA doesn't accelerate the ball.  Once the ball leaves your hand and reaches its maximum height (after your throw), it enters an inertial frame of reference in which it "floats" in the air. The Earth accelerates you up, so your hand catches it. In a bystander's point of view, it looks as if the ball falls back to your hand.
So you saying it somehow magically loses it momentum? That makes a lot of damn sense. I can't reference newton's laws here because obviously you don't believe in them.

Ball leaves hand: No longer accelerating.
Earth accelerating constantly: Catches up with ball.
How is the earth accelerating constantly? One of you FErs already said the earth travels at a consistent rate of 1g. We would constantly be growing in eight very rapidly if this were the case. And Who's side are you on?

FE theory does not explain the mechanism of the acceleration much like RE theory does not explain the mechanism of gravitation. The Earth does accelerate at 1g in FE theory. In RE theory we accelerate towards the Earth at 1g. The two are indistinguishable as Einstein pointed out. I'm not sure what growing in eight means. My side depends purely on the debate in hand.
Weight! It's a typo damnit!

Okay, well from our point of view, no.
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Re: If gravity doesn't exist....
« Reply #35 on: June 01, 2008, 11:34:53 AM »
Quote from: CaptainBaconMan on June 01, 2008, 11:22:54 AM

So the ball just loses all it's momentum? I've already brought this up, friction would not completely stop the ball.

I'm not sure what you mean. Why would it lose anything? Nothing stops the ball. The ball is moving at constant velocity once it is let go of. The Earth accelerates upwards to meet the ball and, once it hits the ball, the ball continues to accelerate again. You're confusing acceleration and velocity again. You do not need any force to keep an object moving at constant velocity. You do need a force to accelerate an object. When you let go of the ball it carries on at constant velocity (ignoring air resistance - The Earth is pushing up the air too). I cannot explain it any more clearly. I don't know what momentum has to do with any of this.
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Re: If gravity doesn't exist....
« Reply #36 on: June 01, 2008, 11:36:18 AM »
CaptainBaconMan is providing many lulz.
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Re: If gravity doesn't exist....
« Reply #37 on: June 01, 2008, 03:17:18 PM »
So you guys also think gravity is a conspiracy, too?
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Re: If gravity doesn't exist....
« Reply #38 on: June 01, 2008, 03:18:33 PM »
Well, at the very least, it's not a force...
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Re: If gravity doesn't exist....
« Reply #39 on: June 01, 2008, 03:25:13 PM »
Quote from: incredible on June 01, 2008, 03:17:18 PM
So you guys also think gravity is a conspiracy, too?
I do. What is taught is not correct.
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Re: If gravity doesn't exist....
« Reply #40 on: June 01, 2008, 03:30:36 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on June 01, 2008, 03:25:13 PM
Quote from: incredible on June 01, 2008, 03:17:18 PM
So you guys also think gravity is a conspiracy, too?
I do. What is taught is not correct.


Have you read the answers to the FAQ? Those sound like they came from a 2nd grader writing a book...


At least what is taught in school is logical and makes more sense than almost everything I see posted on here from the FE members...
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Re: If gravity doesn't exist....
« Reply #41 on: June 01, 2008, 03:33:02 PM »
Quote from: incredible on June 01, 2008, 03:30:36 PM
At least what is taught in school is logical and makes more sense
Gravity exists makes sense?  Please enlighten me.
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Re: If gravity doesn't exist....
« Reply #42 on: June 01, 2008, 03:37:15 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on June 01, 2008, 03:33:02 PM
Quote from: incredible on June 01, 2008, 03:30:36 PM
At least what is taught in school is logical and makes more sense
Gravity exists makes sense?  Please enlighten me.


Why even bother explaining it to you guys? If someone does, you'll probably make up some bullshit answer to add to the FAQ for the other 6 billion people on Earth smart enough to know the Earth is round to laugh in your faces about.


This site is a conspiracy...a big joke. It was probably designed by someone who thought it would be funny to get into debates with people about Earth's shape, and make up funny, completely random answers to why it is flat. Answers which make no sense, by the way.


And if it wasn't, I have lost all faith in humanity.
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Re: If gravity doesn't exist....
« Reply #43 on: June 01, 2008, 03:38:02 PM »
Another victory for FES! :D
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Re: If gravity doesn't exist....
« Reply #44 on: June 01, 2008, 03:38:48 PM »
Quote from: Oscar Wilde on June 01, 2008, 03:38:02 PM
Another victory for FES! :D


YOU HAVE NO FRIENDS!  ;)
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Re: If gravity doesn't exist....
« Reply #45 on: June 01, 2008, 03:38:48 PM »
Quote from: incredible on June 01, 2008, 03:37:15 PM
Why even bother explaining it to you guys? 
So, you don't know what gravity is or how it works?  Figures.
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Re: If gravity doesn't exist....
« Reply #46 on: June 01, 2008, 03:40:31 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on June 01, 2008, 03:38:48 PM
Quote from: incredible on June 01, 2008, 03:37:15 PM
Why even bother explaining it to you guys? 
So, you don't know what gravity is or how it works?  Figures.


It pulls us to the fucking Earth so we don't float away. It pulls us to the Earth while the Earth pushes up on us. It's called action-reaction, but you wouldn't know what that is, because you didn't take Physics, apparently.
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Re: If gravity doesn't exist....
« Reply #47 on: June 01, 2008, 03:41:27 PM »
incredible is incredibly dense.
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Re: If gravity doesn't exist....
« Reply #48 on: June 01, 2008, 03:41:29 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on June 01, 2008, 03:38:48 PM
So, you don't know what gravity is or how it works?  Figures.
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Re: If gravity doesn't exist....
« Reply #49 on: June 01, 2008, 03:43:54 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on June 01, 2008, 03:41:29 PM
Quote from: TheEngineer on June 01, 2008, 03:38:48 PM
So, you don't know what gravity is or how it works?  Figures.


Tell me something...do you really honestly believe like a million people would bond together to make up all this bullshit for shits and giggles? All the science teachers in the world, NASA, the governments...anyone slightly involved with science in any way, shape or form? Don't you think that'd be a bit hard to do, since there are FUCKING MILLIONS of people who are involved with science stuff?
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Re: If gravity doesn't exist....
« Reply #50 on: June 01, 2008, 03:44:50 PM »
I don't know why anybody would blatantly teach something that is false.
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Re: If gravity doesn't exist....
« Reply #51 on: June 01, 2008, 06:21:12 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on June 01, 2008, 03:44:50 PM
I don't know why anybody would blatantly teach something that is false.


That didn't answer my question.
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Re: If gravity doesn't exist....
« Reply #52 on: June 01, 2008, 07:23:19 PM »
Which one?
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Re: If gravity doesn't exist....
« Reply #53 on: June 01, 2008, 08:37:28 PM »
Quote from: incredible on June 01, 2008, 03:43:54 PM
Quote from: TheEngineer on June 01, 2008, 03:41:29 PM
Quote from: TheEngineer on June 01, 2008, 03:38:48 PM
So, you don't know what gravity is or how it works?  Figures.


Tell me something...do you really honestly believe like a million people would bond together to make up all this bullshit for shits and giggles? All the science teachers in the world, NASA, the governments...anyone slightly involved with science in any way, shape or form? Don't you think that'd be a bit hard to do, since there are FUCKING MILLIONS of people who are involved with science stuff?


Alright my bad, those questions. ^^
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Re: If gravity doesn't exist....
« Reply #54 on: June 01, 2008, 09:31:47 PM »
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Quote from: TheEngineer on June 01, 2008, 03:44:50 PM
I don't know why anybody would blatantly teach something that is false.

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They are doing it right now, every day and these science people are perpetuating the myth that gravity exists, so I would say it is apparently not that hard to do.
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Re: If gravity doesn't exist....
« Reply #55 on: June 02, 2008, 07:33:57 AM »
I intend on going back to my primary school and slapping every teacher in the face because they lied to me about gravity
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Re: If gravity doesn't exist....
« Reply #56 on: June 02, 2008, 10:24:57 AM »
Quote from: Professor Gaypenguin on June 02, 2008, 07:33:57 AM
I intend on going back to my primary school and slapping every teacher in the face because they lied to me about gravity


Yeah, even though what they teach you is correct. So yay, assault charges FTW! Have fun in jail.  :)


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Re: If gravity doesn't exist....
« Reply #57 on: June 02, 2008, 10:27:21 AM »
Quote from: incredible on June 02, 2008, 10:24:57 AM
Quote from: Professor Gaypenguin on June 02, 2008, 07:33:57 AM
I intend on going back to my primary school and slapping every teacher in the face because they lied to me about gravity


Yeah, even though what they teach you is correct. So yay, assault charges FTW! Have fun in jail.  :)


I can't speak for Gayer but I know I was lied to in school.  I even read it in textbooks.  The force of gravity sucks us to the earth.  It's bizarre that they actually teach that.
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Re: If gravity doesn't exist....
« Reply #58 on: June 02, 2008, 10:55:29 AM »
Interesting correlation to the other thread about the coriolis myth.  The link posted notes how many teachers propagate the coriolis drain myth.

Quote from: http://www.ems.psu.edu/~fraser/Bad/BadCoriolis.html
Why would a teacher offer such garbage to students when it is so easy to check. A trip to the school washroom (let alone the ones at home) will reveal drainage in both directions.

Is knowledge just a bunch of abstractions to be memorized with no recourse to the relevance of everyday experience?

Even a damn textbook!!

Quote from: http://www.ems.psu.edu/~fraser/Bad/BadCoriolis.html
     "...on a smaller scale, the coriolis effect causes water draining out a bathtub to rotate counter clockwise in the northern hemisphere..."

Sigh, this mind-numbing example of scientific incompetence is offered by author, Paul A. Tipler, on page 128 of his book, Physics for Engineers and Scientists, 4th Edition.
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Re: If gravity doesn't exist....
« Reply #59 on: June 02, 2008, 02:21:55 PM »
Quote from: incredible on June 02, 2008, 10:24:57 AM
Quote from: Professor Gaypenguin on June 02, 2008, 07:33:57 AM
I intend on going back to my primary school and slapping every teacher in the face because they lied to me about gravity


Yeah, even though what they teach you is correct. So yay, assault charges FTW! Have fun in jail.  :)




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