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« Reply #90 on: August 12, 2008, 12:45:43 AM »
Right.  I still fail to see the complication.
And that is why you fail
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« Reply #91 on: August 12, 2008, 01:02:27 AM »
Right.  I still fail to see the complication.
And that is why you fail
Nice to see somebody else has noticed. The Engineer has failed to understand that if you have an experiment that includes two different frames of reference, like the surface of two different planets, his "gravitation is acceleration" claim falls on its face.

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« Reply #92 on: August 12, 2008, 01:43:20 AM »
Right.  I still fail to see the complication.
And that is why you fail
Nice to see somebody else has noticed. The Engineer has failed to understand that if you have an experiment that includes two different frames of reference, like the surface of two different planets, his "gravitation is acceleration" claim falls on its face.
or a FoR where any variables would change
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« Reply #93 on: August 12, 2008, 02:25:41 AM »
Nice to see somebody else has noticed. The Engineer has failed to understand that if you have an experiment that includes two different frames of reference, like the surface of two different planets, his "gravitation is acceleration" claim falls on its face.

I haven't been keeping up with the discussion, and I may go back and read it now, but I don't think there's much in the way of physics that The Engineer fails to understand.
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« Reply #94 on: August 12, 2008, 05:49:58 AM »
What about the experiment?!
How is it proceding?
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« Reply #95 on: August 12, 2008, 05:56:56 AM »
or a FoR where any variables would change

So any of them.
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« Reply #96 on: August 12, 2008, 06:59:47 AM »
Can we please keep the relativity talk out of this thread? Make another topic if you must, but I would like to see the outcome of this experiment.

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« Reply #97 on: August 12, 2008, 04:27:06 PM »
or a FoR where any variables would change

So any of them.
exactly
however we do have a limitation of the accuracy of our instruments so there are situations where EP can be safely applied
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« Reply #98 on: August 12, 2008, 05:33:08 PM »
The Engineer has failed to understand that if you have an experiment that includes two different frames of reference, like the surface of two different planets, his "gravitation is acceleration" claim falls on its face.
I would like to see where I have applied the EP in this type of situation.


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« Reply #99 on: August 12, 2008, 05:33:23 PM »
I disagree, The error probably stems from a lack of knowledge of the subject, Engineering Majors(taking a guess on his major here) only cover the basics of relativity, I would need to verify this but if I remeber correctly they only need to take a quarter that would cover the subject
I don't understand, so a person that is not taught something in a class room can't learn it ever?  Newton would disagree.

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, also in the math end of it they do not need to take nearly as many math classes to even have the ability to understand the more advanced aspects of relativistic equations.
How many math classes must I take?  For that matter, how many math classes do engineers have to take?


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« Reply #100 on: August 12, 2008, 07:42:28 PM »
This is the beach where i plan to shoot. I can get almost ground level from the beach as well as shots up on the footpath on the right. Quite an elevation difference.
Note that I won't be taking absolute ground level shots. I'm not dropping my equipment in the sand or water for the sake of science. I think the minimum elevation will be about 1m. Maybe a little less.

Here is some data that you might want to have when you shoot your images...

- Height of eye above sea level.  For the shots where you are set up directly on the beach this should be fairly simple, but you might want to determine what it is going to be when you are shooting from the footpath.

- Weather data.  Temperature and barometric pressure data will help people make calculations on refraction and other weather related phenomenon.  This can be downloaded from NOAA's website if you are in the US, or I am sure that other national weather bureaus have similar data.

- A shot of the ship as it passes your location.  This will provide a baseline image (and maybe name of the vessel if the magnification is great enough) that will show the separation between the various pieces of the ship (house, ventilators, stack, etc).  With the name of the ship we should be able to get data on the length and possibly freeboard (distance between the waterline and the main deck) that will help determine how much of the vessel isn't visible as it passes over the horizon.

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« Reply #101 on: August 12, 2008, 10:48:15 PM »
Right.  I still fail to see the complication.
And that is why you fail
You fail because you see a complication.  Your stupidity and malice are making you desperate.


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« Reply #102 on: August 12, 2008, 10:50:55 PM »
Right.  I still fail to see the complication.
And that is why you fail
You fail because you see a complication.  Your stupidity and malice are making you desperate.
the only complication I see is your lack of understanding of posts on this forum both in ability to understand the question as well as a scientific knowledge to properly answer the question put forth
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« Reply #103 on: August 12, 2008, 10:51:56 PM »
Eng: you are a mod. Why are you spamming up this thread?

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« Reply #104 on: August 13, 2008, 08:38:42 PM »
the only complication I see is your lack of understanding of posts on this forum both in ability to understand the question as well as a scientific knowledge to properly answer the question put forth
What questions would those be?


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« Reply #105 on: August 13, 2008, 09:17:05 PM »
So dyno...photos this weekend maybe?

If you can measure the elevation of the footpath with any accuracy it might be a valid location to shoot photos of the island.  Take a photo of the island at 1m (on the sand) and then again on the footpath.  If there is a measurable curvature of the earth across the distance to the island you should be able to see more of it from the footpath location.

Considering that Engineer seems fully committed to the side conversation and not participating in the posted topic of discussion, I'm going to guess we're stuck with having to put up with it.  Regrettable to be sure.

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« Reply #106 on: August 13, 2008, 10:07:12 PM »
the only complication I see is your lack of understanding of posts on this forum both in ability to understand the question as well as a scientific knowledge to properly answer the question put forth
What questions would those be?
anything to do with gravitational lensing, how g can vary, energy with regards to relativistic equations, time dilation, how C affects mass, how the FE model relates to the real world, how the RE model relates to the real world, understanding the impact of scientific conventions with regards to accepted terminology that can and should be used to avoid confusion, your inabity to directly answer questions put forth or answering them by giving a response to a entirely different phenomenon. shall I go on?
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« Reply #107 on: August 13, 2008, 10:17:04 PM »
I've answered all those.  Correctly, I might add.  It's a shame you feel like you have to waste your time in these futile little attempts to discredit me.  You really need to get over it.

Now, I am still waiting for an answer from you about those math classes...


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« Reply #108 on: August 13, 2008, 10:20:24 PM »
I've answered all those.  Correctly, I might add.  It's a shame you feel like you have to waste your time in these futile little attempts to discredit me.  You really need to get over it.

Now, I am still waiting for an answer from you about those math classes...
Discredit you?

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« Reply #109 on: August 13, 2008, 10:23:33 PM »
Dark Energy is not the UA. 

Please, fail more.


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« Reply #110 on: August 13, 2008, 10:24:42 PM »
Dark Energy is not the UA. 

Please, fail more.

Yeah, its been shown it can't be.  The FET needs to pull a new theory out of their ass. 
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« Reply #111 on: August 13, 2008, 10:25:12 PM »
I've answered all those.  Correctly, I might add.  It's a shame you feel like you have to waste your time in these futile little attempts to discredit me.  You really need to get over it.

Now, I am still waiting for an answer from you about those math classes...
I have never seen you correctly answer any of those, the closest I have ever seen you come to answering a question was with regards to gravitational lensing but your answer had nothing to do with gravitational lensing with respect to how it relates to real world observations and to answer your question about those math classes it is very possible to learn the math involved but I have yet to see any evidence that you have taken upon yourself to learn advanced math. In actuality I have never seen you show any knowledge that rates above something that can be looked up on wiki.
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« Reply #112 on: August 13, 2008, 10:26:44 PM »
Yeah, its been shown it can't be. 
It was never suggested that is was in the first place. 

Fail some more.


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« Reply #113 on: August 13, 2008, 10:28:24 PM »
Yeah, its been shown it can't be. 
It was never suggested that is was in the first place. 

Fail some more.

Everyone knows that's not true. 
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« Reply #114 on: August 13, 2008, 10:28:57 PM »
I have never seen you correctly answer any of those
That's because you are an idiot and therefore you don't know what is the right answer.

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to answer your question about those math classes it is very possible to learn the math involved but I have yet to see any evidence that you have taken upon yourself to learn advanced math
That's not an answer to the question.  But it does show that you were just talking out of your ass, again, in yet another sad attempt.



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« Reply #115 on: August 13, 2008, 10:30:08 PM »
Everyone knows that's not true. 
Everyone, but you, knows that the UA is perpetuated by Dark Matter, not Dark Energy, and is solely a feature of Dogplatter's model of the FE.


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« Reply #116 on: August 13, 2008, 10:31:33 PM »
Yeah, its been shown it can't be. 
It was never suggested that is was in the first place. 

Fail some more.

What?
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« Reply #117 on: August 13, 2008, 10:32:28 PM »
You understood it the first time around.   ::)


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« Reply #118 on: August 13, 2008, 10:33:30 PM »
You understood it the first time around.   ::)
I caught your other error the first time. 
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« Reply #119 on: August 13, 2008, 10:34:57 PM »
I have never seen you correctly answer any of those
That's because you are an idiot and therefore you don't know what is the right answer.

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to answer your question about those math classes it is very possible to learn the math involved but I have yet to see any evidence that you have taken upon yourself to learn advanced math
That's not an answer to the question.  But it does show that you were just talking out of your ass, again, in yet another sad attempt.


Could you show me a couple of correct answers that are not just essentially right out of wiki.
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