Why is the Earth special?

All evidence points to that planets and the moon are spherical (Lunar Libration and the fact that with powerful enough telescopes you can details in planets disappear over time). Then why is the Earth special?

The planets and other celestial bodies aren't spherical. We are simply seeing only their front face.

The planets and other celestial bodies aren't spherical. We are simply seeing only their front face.

They are spherical... Lunar Libration proves the moon is spherical (http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=19761.0) and with a good telescope you can prove that planets are spherical. For instance Jupiter has the Great Red Spot. If it happens to visible at one time, it will likely not be visible in awhile. Logically the only explanation is that it is no longer visible due to the rotation of the spherical planet. Same with Mars. You can see different features move and disappear with a telescope over time as well.

Quote from: Ltar on February 15, 2008, 04:16:24 PM

The planets and other celestial bodies aren't spherical. We are simply seeing only their front face.

They are spherical... Lunar Libration proves the moon is spherical (http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=19761.0) and with a good telescope you can prove that planets are spherical. For instance Jupiter has the Great Red Spot. If it happens to visible at one time, it will likely not be visible in awhile. Logically the only explanation is that it is no longer visible due to the rotation of the spherical planet. Same with Mars. You can see different features move and disappear with a telescope over time as well.

The photographs and phenomena you're referring to are hoaxes or do not exist. The spherical appearance of planetoids and other heavenly bodies, viewed through a telescope, are illusions caused by atmospheric, gravitational, and electromagnetic lensing of the body's light. The red spot on Jupiter is not permanent. It comes and goes cyclically, just like hurricanes and monsoons on earth, only much more regular due to peculiarities of Jupiter's atmosphere.

The photographs and phenomena you're referring to are hoaxes or do not exist. The spherical appearance of planetoids and other heavenly bodies, viewed through a telescope, are illusions caused by atmospheric, gravitational, and electromagnetic lensing of the body's light. The red spot on Jupiter is not permanent. It comes and goes cyclically, just like hurricanes and monsoons on earth, only much more regular due to peculiarities of Jupiter's atmosphere.

Nope. Anyone can see these. And the red spot on Jupiter just happens to appear and reappear the same shape and size in the same path with timed appearances? I think not. Lunar Libration can be observed by anyone with good observation techniques. Plus the image from the libration thread is non-governmental. The planetary details on Mars can in no significant way be affected by what you said. The only logical explanation is that they cannot be seen at times due to its rotation on a spherical axis. Many FE'ers believe that other celestial bodies are spherical because of this conclusive evidence. Which brings me back to my original problem. Why is the Earth special?   

Bump.

All evidence points to that planets and the moon are spherical (Lunar Libration and the fact that with powerful enough telescopes you can details in planets disappear over time). Then why is the Earth special?

Why not?

Very scientific Chris

valid, though. If there's no reason why it should be impossible for the earth to be flat, then observation of other bodies which are not flat should not be taken as proof that the earth is not flat.

All evidence points to that planets and the moon are spherical (Lunar Libration and the fact that with powerful enough telescopes you can details in planets disappear over time). Then why is the Earth special?

The earth is potentially an infinite plane which cuts the universe in half. The earth is not a celestial body. The earth is our Terra Firma; the only known material world and the only environment known to support life.

It is a valid point.  Is there any reason you feel you can logically state that the earth should be like other bodies?

By tom's argument, for the same reason I can state that the earth is not similar to the clouds in it's atmosphere.

It is a valid point.  Is there any reason you feel you can logically state that the earth should be like other bodies?

Because of how they formed.  Also becasue of gravitaiton by mass. 

Quote from: Username on February 16, 2008, 03:37:42 PM

It is a valid point.  Is there any reason you feel you can logically state that the earth should be like other bodies?

Because of how they formed.  Also becasue of gravitaiton by mass. 

How can gravitation by mass pull everything to the center if the earth is an infinite plane and there is no center?

or, if the earth is not an infinite plane, then why hasn't all-attracting gravity condensed the universe into a single point again?

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Quote from: Username on February 16, 2008, 03:37:42 PM

It is a valid point.  Is there any reason you feel you can logically state that the earth should be like other bodies?

Because of how they formed.  Also becasue of gravitaiton by mass. 

How can gravitation by mass pull everything to the center if the earth is an infinite plane and there is no center?

There is nothing that says the earth is an infinite plane. 

or, if the earth is not an infinite plane, then why hasn't all-attracting gravity condensed the universe into a single point again?

Because gravity doesn't exist.  While gravitation does add together, see gravitational lensing around galaxies,  gravitation is driven by mass.  Mass is not everywhere. 

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Quote from: sokarul on February 16, 2008, 04:54:04 PM

Quote from: Username on February 16, 2008, 03:37:42 PM

It is a valid point.  Is there any reason you feel you can logically state that the earth should be like other bodies?

Because of how they formed.  Also becasue of gravitaiton by mass. 

How can gravitation by mass pull everything to the center if the earth is an infinite plane and there is no center?

There is nothing that says the earth is an infinite plane. 

tom bishop says the earth is an infinite plane.

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or, if the earth is not an infinite plane, then why hasn't all-attracting gravity condensed the universe into a single point again?

Because gravity doesn't exist.  While gravitation does add together, see gravitational lensing around galaxies,  gravitation is driven by mass.  Mass is not everywhere.

but the earth has mass, in fact, everything except protons have mass, because photons are a theoretical particle  invented to explain the transmission of light . Gravity exists unless you care to be a semantic Nazi and insist that gravity and gravitation are perceptibly different. Gravitational lensing around galaxies is significant. Gravitational lensing has been shown to obscure the existence of black holes. There is no reason to assume that gravitational lensing has not obscured the existence of a flat earth.
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tom bishop says the earth is an infinite plane.

Because he had to change his theory when people said air would leak off an none infinite plane flat earth. 

but the earth has mass, in fact, everything except protons have mass, because photons are a theoretical particle  invented to explain the transmission of light . Gravity exists unless you care to be a semantic Nazi and insist that gravity and gravitation are perceptibly different. Gravitational lensing around galaxies is significant. Gravitational lensing has been shown to obscure the existence of black holes. There is no reason to assume that gravitational lensing has not obscured the existence of a flat earth.

I think you meant photons here too. 
Photons were not invented to explain the transmission of light as photons are light.  There are many ways to prove photons.  Admitting that gravitation by mass is real means you admit the earth is round.   

Uh, if the earth is an infinite plane, then the moon and the sun would fall, like everything else.
Can you explain that, Tom? Whatever it is that causes the "universal acceleration", it can't affect the sun and the moon if the earth is totally blocking it.

Doesn't this "Infinite" Earth theory go against the first law of Thermodynamics? Energy cannot be created or destroyed and since Mass is energy an infinite Earth would be impossible...

Doesn't this "Infinite" Earth theory go against the first law of Thermodynamics? Energy cannot be created or destroyed and since Mass is energy an infinite Earth would be impossible...

Why would an infinite earth be creating or destroying energy?

Uh, if the earth is an infinite plane, then the moon and the sun would fall, like everything else.
Can you explain that, Tom? Whatever it is that causes the "universal acceleration", it can't affect the sun and the moon if the earth is totally blocking it.

The earth is infinite.  It has a finite gravitational pull.  There is no "UA".  The space between the earth and the heavens is expanding.

Quote from: Jimmy911 on February 17, 2008, 10:42:58 AM

Doesn't this "Infinite" Earth theory go against the first law of Thermodynamics? Energy cannot be created or destroyed and since Mass is energy an infinite Earth would be impossible...

Why would an infinite earth be creating or destroying energy?

An infinite earth would need infinite energy.  There is not infinite energy. 

Did you just see how Tom Bishop disproved the conspiracy?

Tom says: the earth is infinite.
- That means it exists infinite energi.
The FAQ says: the reason for the conspiracy is probably money.

With infinite energy, everyone could have infinite money. So the conspiracy can't exist.

Or the conspiracy could just hoard the resources past the icewall for their own uses.

That's so far-fetched that NO ONE can believe in it.
What would be beyond the ice wall? How can a round ice wall have formed, in the middle of a infinite plane?

That's so far-fetched that NO ONE can believe in it.
What would be beyond the ice wall? How can a round ice wall have formed, in the middle of a infinite plane?

The sun melted the ice, unveiling the lands which we know as our Local Area.

This infinite Earth theory has already been shot down. It goes against one of the most fundamental laws of physics.

This infinite Earth theory has already been shot down. It goes against one of the most fundamental laws of physics.

What law would that be? Can you link us to the law which states that infinite matter/energy cannot exist?

What law would that be?

I was gonna say that.