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The bewilderment of a forum...
« on: February 12, 2008, 09:55:51 AM »
Right, I have presented the FE theory to members of a community I am part of, and they (having, I assume, read the FAQ) have a few more questions:

Quote from: rus|mike @ my site
Can you ask them why we see disappearing Sun when the night comes? They say because it's getting too far away but what the hell, we don't see it getting smaller and smaller, we see it disappearing by parts as it goes down the horizont!

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And the sun actually appears to be largest when it is rising or setting (same with the moon).

Quote from: rus|mike @ my site
True, true.   ::)

I could have registered there myself but endless discussions is my weakness  I've no wish to spend there hours and hours and even more hours

So, can someone clarify? I'm not sure of the actual theory.
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« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2008, 10:03:38 AM »
They have a Snell defying theory regarding a magic spotlight effect that focuses the sun like a lens, and yet produces the right combination of things to make night and day...ridiculous, TBH.
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« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2008, 10:38:00 AM »
Please Read Chapter 10 of Earth Not a Globe.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za28.htm

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« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2008, 10:39:38 AM »
Please Read Chapter 10 of Earth Not a Globe.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za28.htm

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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2008, 12:13:12 PM »
Please Read Chapter 10 of Earth Not a Globe.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za28.htm

I've said this before, Rowbotham's reasoning is fundamentally flawed.  To the observer in the middle, the angular diameter (e.g. in degrees, looking up) of the projection is the same as the angular diameter of the sun.  The diagram actually demonstrates this:



To put is another way:  The long projection the sun is portrayed as casting on the upper-atmosphere will be re-compressed by the effect of perspective from the observer to the projection.

Therefore the projection will give the observer absolutely nothing. 

Please explain what I have missed here.
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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2008, 12:16:43 PM »
What a silly little picture

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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2008, 01:11:37 PM »
Right, I have presented the FE theory to members of a community I am part of, and they (having, I assume, read the FAQ) have a few more questions:

Quote from: rus|mike @ my site
Can you ask them why we see disappearing Sun when the night comes? They say because it's getting too far away but what the hell, we don't see it getting smaller and smaller, we see it disappearing by parts as it goes down the horizont!

Quote from: stewsburntmonkey @ my site
And the sun actually appears to be largest when it is rising or setting (same with the moon).

Quote from: rus|mike @ my site
True, true.   ::)

I could have registered there myself but endless discussions is my weakness  I've no wish to spend there hours and hours and even more hours

So, can someone clarify? I'm not sure of the actual theory.


All your questions can be answered by minding the gap. 
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« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2008, 03:35:25 PM »
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And the sun actually appears to be largest when it is rising or setting (same with the moon).

Quote from: rus|mike @ my site
True, true.   ::)


This is an optical illusion.  Our brain makes us think the sun or moon is larger when actually it is the same apparent size all along.
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« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2008, 03:41:06 PM »
Lousy brain...thinks it can make me think things...I'll show it one day, I'll show it.

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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2008, 03:43:44 PM »
No you won't because it'll just make you think you're showing something else.
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« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2008, 03:45:02 PM »
Very clever, Mr. Brain.... Very clever.

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« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2008, 09:07:43 PM »
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Can you ask them why we see disappearing Sun when the night comes? They say because it's getting too far away but what the hell, we don't see it getting smaller and smaller, we see it disappearing by parts as it goes down the horizont!

Light "falls" faster towards the earth; it has light attracting properties over "longer" distances.  This is the mechanism behind  Rowbotham's perspective laws.

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And the sun actually appears to be largest when it is rising or setting (same with the moon).
Thats an optical illusion in RE theory too, look it up.  Its just because its near the ground.

Quote from: rus|mike @ my site
True, true.   ::)

I could have registered there myself but endless discussions is my weakness  I've no wish to spend there hours and hours and even more hours
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« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2008, 01:51:26 PM »
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Can you ask them why we see disappearing Sun when the night comes? They say because it's getting too far away but what the hell, we don't see it getting smaller and smaller, we see it disappearing by parts as it goes down the horizont!

Light "falls" faster towards the earth; it has light attracting properties over "longer" distances.  This is the mechanism behind  Rowbotham's perspective laws.
You have no evidence to support your claim. 

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And the sun actually appears to be largest when it is rising or setting (same with the moon).
Thats an optical illusion in RE theory too, look it up.  Its just because its near the ground.
The fe sun would get smaller and smaller until it disappeared. 
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Re: The bewilderment of a forum...
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2008, 01:54:53 PM »
Light "falls" faster towards the earth; it has light attracting properties over "longer" distances.  This is the mechanism behind  Rowbotham's perspective laws.
You have no evidence to support your claim. 
Sure I do, go to any dock on a clear day and watch the ships as they sail away.

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« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2008, 01:57:35 PM »
Light "falls" faster towards the earth; it has light attracting properties over "longer" distances.  This is the mechanism behind  Rowbotham's perspective laws.
You have no evidence to support your claim. 
Sure I do, go to any dock on a clear day and watch the ships as they sail away.


Thats not proof as a globe would have the exact same effect.  Although it really wouldn't because on a flat earth the ship would just shrink.  The "bending light theory" started on this site was also owned long ago. 
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« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2008, 07:01:41 PM »
Light "falls" faster towards the earth; it has light attracting properties over "longer" distances.  This is the mechanism behind  Rowbotham's perspective laws.
You have no evidence to support your claim. 
Sure I do, go to any dock on a clear day and watch the ships as they sail away.


Thats not proof as a globe would have the exact same effect.  Although it really wouldn't because on a flat earth the ship would just shrink.  The "bending light theory" started on this site was also owned long ago. 
There is a difference between proof and evidence.  I can see your english hasn't improved.

Also would you mind showing me where a fifth force was postulated to bend light towards earth?  I haven't seen that before on this site. 
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« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2008, 09:45:01 PM »
Light "falls" faster towards the earth; it has light attracting properties over "longer" distances.  This is the mechanism behind  Rowbotham's perspective laws.
You have no evidence to support your claim. 
Sure I do, go to any dock on a clear day and watch the ships as they sail away.


Thats not proof as a globe would have the exact same effect.  Although it really wouldn't because on a flat earth the ship would just shrink.  The "bending light theory" started on this site was also owned long ago. 
There is a difference between proof and evidence.  I can see your english hasn't improved.
I see your physics haven't changed.
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Also would you mind showing me where a fifth force was postulated to bend light towards earth?  I haven't seen that before on this site. 
??? I never said there was a force.  I said someone else tried to say there was and it was owned.  Gravitation does bend light but its not a force.   
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Re: The bewilderment of a forum...
« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2008, 09:51:43 PM »
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« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2008, 02:12:49 AM »
Light "falls" faster towards the earth; it has light attracting properties over "longer" distances.  This is the mechanism behind  Rowbotham's perspective laws.
You have no evidence to support your claim. 
Sure I do, go to any dock on a clear day and watch the ships as they sail away.


Thats not proof as a globe would have the exact same effect.  Although it really wouldn't because on a flat earth the ship would just shrink.  The "bending light theory" started on this site was also owned long ago. 
There is a difference between proof and evidence.  I can see your english hasn't improved.
I see your physics haven't changed.
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Also would you mind showing me where a fifth force was postulated to bend light towards earth?  I haven't seen that before on this site. 
??? I never said there was a force.  I said someone else tried to say there was and it was owned.  Gravitation does bend light but its not a force.   
I never said you said there was a force...  And so again:
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Also would you mind showing me where a fifth force was postulated to bend light towards earth?  I haven't seen that before on this site. 
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« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2008, 11:51:31 AM »
Light "falls" faster towards the earth; it has light attracting properties over "longer" distances.  This is the mechanism behind  Rowbotham's perspective laws.
You have no evidence to support your claim. 
Sure I do, go to any dock on a clear day and watch the ships as they sail away.


Thats not proof as a globe would have the exact same effect.  Although it really wouldn't because on a flat earth the ship would just shrink.  The "bending light theory" started on this site was also owned long ago. 
There is a difference between proof and evidence.  I can see your english hasn't improved.
I see your physics haven't changed.
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Also would you mind showing me where a fifth force was postulated to bend light towards earth?  I haven't seen that before on this site. 
??? I never said there was a force.  I said someone else tried to say there was and it was owned.  Gravitation does bend light but its not a force.   
I never said you said there was a force...  And so again:
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Also would you mind showing me where a fifth force was postulated to bend light towards earth?  I haven't seen that before on this site. 
I never said there was a force so why would I show you one?  I have no idea what you are trying to get at.  YOU said "Light "falls" faster towards the earth"  and no you want me to find evidence for you.  Well you mad eup the BS so yo u deal with it.  Light does not fall faster towards earth.  The speed of light never changes.  Gravitaiton only bends light and change its frequency. 
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Re: The bewilderment of a forum...
« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2008, 12:08:38 PM »
Light "falls" faster towards the earth; it has light attracting properties over "longer" distances.  This is the mechanism behind  Rowbotham's perspective laws.
You have no evidence to support your claim. 
Sure I do, go to any dock on a clear day and watch the ships as they sail away.


Thats not proof as a globe would have the exact same effect.  Although it really wouldn't because on a flat earth the ship would just shrink.  The "bending light theory" started on this site was also owned long ago. 
There is a difference between proof and evidence.  I can see your english hasn't improved.
I see your physics haven't changed.
Quote
Also would you mind showing me where a fifth force was postulated to bend light towards earth?  I haven't seen that before on this site. 
??? I never said there was a force.  I said someone else tried to say there was and it was owned.  Gravitation does bend light but its not a force.   
I never said you said there was a force...  And so again:
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Also would you mind showing me where a fifth force was postulated to bend light towards earth?  I haven't seen that before on this site. 
I never said there was a force so why would I show you one?  I have no idea what you are trying to get at.  YOU said "Light "falls" faster towards the earth"  and no you want me to find evidence for you.  Well you mad eup the BS so yo u deal with it.  Light does not fall faster towards earth.  The speed of light never changes.  Gravitaiton only bends light and change its frequency. 
No the speed doesn't.  You are right.  I never said the speed changed, I said it falls faster.  There is a difference.

And the theory is that light falls faster over long distances due to a fifth force.    You said this was shown before on these forums to be false.  I would like to see where.  If you would just like to show me the thread where it shows light doesn't 'fall faster', that will work also.
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« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2008, 12:14:15 PM »
The problem with your theory, Username, which you never addressed, was that the light doesn't fall when reflected back and forth by mirrors, so why does it only fall when it needs to fall? Is this force consciously trying to hide the shape of the Earth from us?
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« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2008, 12:15:42 PM »
It has a minimum resistance that must be overcome that is "reset" when reflected.
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« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2008, 12:21:40 PM »
Why? There is no energy loss, nothing. So, why is this "magic count" reset? You can't claim aether, because even if it existed, its always there, no matter what physical object it deals with.
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« Reply #24 on: February 14, 2008, 12:41:11 PM »
I have no idea.  This is just sorta a guess until I have time to work out the details.
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« Reply #25 on: February 14, 2008, 03:04:43 PM »
Light "falls" faster towards the earth; it has light attracting properties over "longer" distances.  This is the mechanism behind  Rowbotham's perspective laws.
You have no evidence to support your claim. 
Sure I do, go to any dock on a clear day and watch the ships as they sail away.


Thats not proof as a globe would have the exact same effect.  Although it really wouldn't because on a flat earth the ship would just shrink.  The "bending light theory" started on this site was also owned long ago. 
There is a difference between proof and evidence.  I can see your english hasn't improved.
I see your physics haven't changed.
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Also would you mind showing me where a fifth force was postulated to bend light towards earth?  I haven't seen that before on this site. 
??? I never said there was a force.  I said someone else tried to say there was and it was owned.  Gravitation does bend light but its not a force.   
I never said you said there was a force...  And so again:
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Also would you mind showing me where a fifth force was postulated to bend light towards earth?  I haven't seen that before on this site. 
I never said there was a force so why would I show you one?  I have no idea what you are trying to get at.  YOU said "Light "falls" faster towards the earth"  and no you want me to find evidence for you.  Well you mad eup the BS so yo u deal with it.  Light does not fall faster towards earth.  The speed of light never changes.  Gravitaiton only bends light and change its frequency. 
No the speed doesn't.  You are right.  I never said the speed changed, I said it falls faster.  There is a difference.

And the theory is that light falls faster over long distances due to a fifth force.    You said this was shown before on these forums to be false.  I would like to see where.  If you would just like to show me the thread where it shows light doesn't 'fall faster', that will work also.
Its around.  I will just tell you, light does not bend due to some "fifth force".  That was easy. 
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Re: The bewilderment of a forum...
« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2008, 03:08:45 PM »
Light "falls" faster towards the earth; it has light attracting properties over "longer" distances.  This is the mechanism behind  Rowbotham's perspective laws.
You have no evidence to support your claim. 
Sure I do, go to any dock on a clear day and watch the ships as they sail away.


Thats not proof as a globe would have the exact same effect.  Although it really wouldn't because on a flat earth the ship would just shrink.  The "bending light theory" started on this site was also owned long ago. 
There is a difference between proof and evidence.  I can see your english hasn't improved.
I see your physics haven't changed.
Quote
Also would you mind showing me where a fifth force was postulated to bend light towards earth?  I haven't seen that before on this site. 
??? I never said there was a force.  I said someone else tried to say there was and it was owned.  Gravitation does bend light but its not a force.   
I never said you said there was a force...  And so again:
Quote
Also would you mind showing me where a fifth force was postulated to bend light towards earth?  I haven't seen that before on this site. 
I never said there was a force so why would I show you one?  I have no idea what you are trying to get at.  YOU said "Light "falls" faster towards the earth"  and no you want me to find evidence for you.  Well you mad eup the BS so yo u deal with it.  Light does not fall faster towards earth.  The speed of light never changes.  Gravitaiton only bends light and change its frequency. 
No the speed doesn't.  You are right.  I never said the speed changed, I said it falls faster.  There is a difference.

And the theory is that light falls faster over long distances due to a fifth force.    You said this was shown before on these forums to be false.  I would like to see where.  If you would just like to show me the thread where it shows light doesn't 'fall faster', that will work also.
Its around.  I will just tell you, light does not bend due to some "fifth force".  That was easy. 

epic quote chain.

Light is bent by gravity, which acts as a lens. All object with mass exhibit gravity, so yes, light bends around stars and planets in space.

What's more, the speed of light is constant IN A VACCUM. When light enters any fluid, it is reduced in speed. This causes refraction. It's about .5 % in the earth's atmosphere, you can see it clearly if you put a pencil in a cup of water. The pencil bends because light travels faster in air than in water, and so bends when it leaves water at an angle.
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« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2008, 03:10:18 PM »

epic quote chain.

Light is bent by gravity, which acts as a lens. All object with mass exhibit gravity, so yes, light bends around stars and planets in space.

What's more, the speed of light is constant IN A VACCUM. When light enters any fluid, it is reduced in speed. This causes refraction. It's about .5 % in the earth's atmosphere, you can see it clearly if you put a pencil in a cup of water. The pencil bends because light travels faster in air than in water, and so bends when it leaves water at an angle.
There I just quoted you.
Now stop saying gravity.  Its gravitation. 
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« Reply #28 on: February 14, 2008, 03:15:36 PM »

epic quote chain.

Light is bent by gravity, which acts as a lens. All object with mass exhibit gravity, so yes, light bends around stars and planets in space.

What's more, the speed of light is constant IN A VACCUM. When light enters any fluid, it is reduced in speed. This causes refraction. It's about .5 % in the earth's atmosphere, you can see it clearly if you put a pencil in a cup of water. The pencil bends because light travels faster in air than in water, and so bends when it leaves water at an angle.
There I just quoted you.
Now stop saying gravity.  Its gravitation. 

except it's not, it's gravity of an object with mass. gravitation is the property of objects with mass, gravity is the force.

yes, force. Gravity is a force, it causes objects to accelerate. Gravity is NOT incongruous with a flat earth. See my debate in this thread:
http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=19769.40
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Re: The bewilderment of a forum...
« Reply #29 on: February 14, 2008, 03:15:57 PM »
I will just tell you, light does not bend due to some "fifth force". 

Are all your "proofs" so convincing?
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