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Re: The New Theory
« Reply #30 on: January 31, 2008, 09:44:55 AM »
Quote from: against science on January 31, 2008, 08:27:30 AM
1.  the sticky proves nothing
2.  ...what?  ???

1. Um, you said the FE doesn't adhere to the laws of physics. You said gravity, and well, it adheres to it just fine.
2. You asked "what exactly are you going to believe?" in reference to different theories. And I answered.
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Re: The New Theory
« Reply #31 on: January 31, 2008, 09:50:40 AM »
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Quote from: against science on January 31, 2008, 08:27:30 AM
1.  the sticky proves nothing
2.  ...what?  ???

1. Um, you said the FE doesn't adhere to the laws of physics. You said gravity, and well, it adheres to it just fine.
2. You asked "what exactly are you going to believe?" in reference to different theories. And I answered.

I like how you people keep saying we've been "fed information from school" when usually the information from school turns out to be CORRECT.  Or, when it isn't, teachers realize their mistake and books and such are changed, since science and technology is always changing.  So I think I'll go with what teachers and professors and scientists tell me rather than what a hundred people on an obscure flat earth forum post on a discussion thread, each with his own opinion.  Call it my choice in life.
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Re: The New Theory
« Reply #32 on: January 31, 2008, 09:51:56 AM »
Quote from: against science on January 31, 2008, 09:50:40 AM
I like how you people keep saying we've been "fed information from school" when usually the information from school turns out to be CORRECT.
I bet you believe gravity is a force.
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Re: The New Theory
« Reply #33 on: January 31, 2008, 09:53:06 AM »
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Quote from: against science on January 31, 2008, 09:50:40 AM
I like how you people keep saying we've been "fed information from school" when usually the information from school turns out to be CORRECT.
I bet you believe gravity is a force.

yes, i bet i do, since i have half a brain
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Re: The New Theory
« Reply #34 on: January 31, 2008, 09:54:01 AM »
A hundred people? Dogplatter is the only flat Earth believer that you've been conversing with.
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Re: The New Theory
« Reply #35 on: January 31, 2008, 09:54:26 AM »
Engy...where did you learn it technically wasn't a force? Furthermore, no-one except you gives a damn about the hyper-correct terminology. Ask any expert about the force of gravity, and their reply won't be "gravity isn't a force."
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Re: The New Theory
« Reply #36 on: January 31, 2008, 09:54:57 AM »
Quote from: against science on January 31, 2008, 09:53:06 AM
yes, i bet i do, since i have half a brain

Phew, it's a good thing I have a full one then; cause then I'd still think it's a force when it's not.
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Re: The New Theory
« Reply #37 on: January 31, 2008, 09:58:29 AM »
Quote from: against science on January 31, 2008, 09:53:06 AM
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Quote from: against science on January 31, 2008, 09:50:40 AM
I like how you people keep saying we've been "fed information from school" when usually the information from school turns out to be CORRECT.
I bet you believe gravity is a force.

yes, i bet i do, since i have half a brain
So you do just eat up the information you are fed from school.
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Re: The New Theory
« Reply #38 on: January 31, 2008, 10:00:40 AM »
Quote from: fshy94 on January 31, 2008, 09:54:26 AM
Engy...where did you learn it technically wasn't a force?
Through research.

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Furthermore, no-one except you gives a damn about the hyper-correct terminology. Ask any expert about the force of gravity, and their reply won't be "gravity isn't a force."
It would be if they didn't think you were too ignorant to understand the answer.
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Re: The New Theory
« Reply #39 on: January 31, 2008, 10:01:58 AM »
maybe you didn't read my last post.  i said that schools make mistakes since science is always changing, and when they realize they have, they ADMIT it, unlike you FE'rs who keep half-answering and avoiding questions that you can't answer! and yes, i think i'll believe centuries of generations of scientists and teachers rather than what *a few* FEe'rs whom i have conversed with believe. 
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Re: The New Theory
« Reply #40 on: January 31, 2008, 10:02:25 AM »
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Quote from: against science on January 31, 2008, 09:53:06 AM
Quote from: TheEngineer on January 31, 2008, 09:51:56 AM
Quote from: against science on January 31, 2008, 09:50:40 AM
I like how you people keep saying we've been "fed information from school" when usually the information from school turns out to be CORRECT.
I bet you believe gravity is a force.

yes, i bet i do, since i have half a brain
So you do just eat up the information you are fed from school.
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Re: The New Theory
« Reply #41 on: January 31, 2008, 10:06:15 AM »
Poor guy.
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Re: The New Theory
« Reply #42 on: January 31, 2008, 10:07:03 AM »
read the post that was relevant then.  fine.  i admit it.  i made a mistake.  jesus christ stop being such a literalist.
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Re: The New Theory
« Reply #43 on: January 31, 2008, 10:19:18 AM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on January 31, 2008, 10:00:40 AM
Quote from: fshy94 on January 31, 2008, 09:54:26 AM
Engy...where did you learn it technically wasn't a force?
Through research.

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Furthermore, no-one except you gives a damn about the hyper-correct terminology. Ask any expert about the force of gravity, and their reply won't be "gravity isn't a force."
It would be if they didn't think you were too ignorant to understand the answer.

Huh...that's odd...I learned it in school...maybe you dropped out... It's just that, for simplicity, people talk about it as a force, because in our frame of reference...it is! It is an observed force, sort of like the centrifugal force. You still talk about it, even though it doesn't exist, don't you? And that's the reason, not ignorance. If you asked a college professor, even if you were working on them about spacetime curvature, they wouldn't tell you "not a force". They would maybe say technically not a force. But you just go blathering on, confusing people, to boost your ego.
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Re: The New Theory
« Reply #44 on: January 31, 2008, 10:30:33 AM »
as usual, silence from the FE'rs here...
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Re: The New Theory
« Reply #45 on: January 31, 2008, 10:37:24 AM »
Quote from: fshy94 on January 31, 2008, 10:19:18 AM
Huh...that's odd...I learned it in school...maybe you dropped out
They did not have a class on General Relativity in my high school.    :'(

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... It's just that, for simplicity, people talk about it as a force, because in our frame of reference...it is!
Would you mind explaining to me how something that is not a force becomes a real force just by changing your frame of reference?

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It is an observed force, sort of like the centrifugal force.
No, it is an apparent force.  Observed force means you would be able to see it.

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You still talk about it, even though it doesn't exist, don't you?
I talk about it as a fictitious force. Which it is.

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And that's the reason, not ignorance. If you asked a college professor, even if you were working on them about spacetime curvature, they wouldn't tell you "not a force".
Actually, if you were working on General Relativity with a professor in college and you referred to gravity as a force, he would probably fail you on the spot.  Your ignorance at that point would be very clear.

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Re: The New Theory
« Reply #46 on: January 31, 2008, 10:42:08 AM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on January 31, 2008, 10:37:24 AM
Quote from: fshy94 on January 31, 2008, 10:19:18 AM
Huh...that's odd...I learned it in school...maybe you dropped out
They did not have a class on General Relativity in my high school.    :'(

Oh well, guess they've gotten better nowadays

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... It's just that, for simplicity, people talk about it as a force, because in our frame of reference...it is!
Would you mind explaining to me how something that is not a force becomes a real force just by changing your frame of reference?
You know exactly what I meant. To us, it looks like a force, even if it isn't.
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It is an observed force, sort of like the centrifugal force.
No, it is an apparent force.  Observed force means you would be able to see it.

Nitpicking, you know that's what I meant

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You still talk about it, even though it doesn't exist, don't you?
I talk about it as a fictitious force. Which it is.

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And that's the reason, not ignorance. If you asked a college professor, even if you were working on them about spacetime curvature, they wouldn't tell you "not a force".
Actually, if you were working on General Relativity with a professor in college and you referred to gravity as a force, he would probably fail you on the spot.  Your ignorance at that point would be very clear.
I rather doubt that, especially if used casually. We're not all writing research papers here, unless you're working on something we don't know about...


I still hold you don't actually care, you just want to boost your own ego, based upon what I've seen.
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Re: The New Theory
« Reply #47 on: January 31, 2008, 10:43:58 AM »
how about answering a question sometimes, engineer?  :-\
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Re: The New Theory
« Reply #48 on: January 31, 2008, 10:58:53 AM »
Quote from: fshy94 on January 31, 2008, 10:42:08 AM
Oh well, guess they've gotten better nowadays
You must have been absent the day they taught it at your school:

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Quote from: TheEngineer on December 27, 2007, 09:29:08 PM
Gravity only appears to us to be a force  because we assume we are at rest.  We are not, we are accelerating.
Wrong.

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You know exactly what I meant. To us, it looks like a force, even if it isn't.
You seem to have a problem communicating lately.  Perhaps you should rectify this before you continue this course you are on.

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Nitpicking, you know that's what I meant
See above.

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I rather doubt that, especially if used casually. We're not all writing research papers here, unless you're working on something we don't know about...
You just said you were not using it casually, but working with a professor on General Relativity.

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Re: The New Theory
« Reply #49 on: January 31, 2008, 11:01:26 AM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on January 31, 2008, 10:58:53 AM
Quote from: fshy94 on January 31, 2008, 10:42:08 AM
Oh well, guess they've gotten better nowadays
You must have been absent the day they taught it at your school:

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Quote from: TheEngineer on December 27, 2007, 09:29:08 PM
Gravity only appears to us to be a force  because we assume we are at rest.  We are not, we are accelerating.
Wrong.

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You know exactly what I meant. To us, it looks like a force, even if it isn't.
You seem to have a problem communicating lately.  Perhaps you should rectify this before you continue this course you are on.

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Nitpicking, you know that's what I meant
See above.

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I rather doubt that, especially if used casually. We're not all writing research papers here, unless you're working on something we don't know about...
You just said you were not using it casually, but working with a professor on General Relativity.



Talking to a professor casually with whom you had been working. You know, its insanely strange, but for all my so called "communication problems", people have no problem understanding me, but difficulty understanding you. Don't get me wrong, engy, I like you a lot, but I don't like this weird issue you have. Chill out.
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Re: The New Theory
« Reply #50 on: January 31, 2008, 11:18:53 AM »
does "engy" care to answer the original question, or is he going to be stupid like this for much longer?
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Re: The New Theory
« Reply #51 on: January 31, 2008, 11:23:55 AM »
What question? I'm losing sympathy for you after reading the other thread...
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Re: The New Theory
« Reply #52 on: January 31, 2008, 11:25:57 AM »
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Talking to a professor casually with whom you had been working.
You don't know many Ph.D's do you?

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You know, its insanely strange, but for all my so called "communication problems", people have no problem understanding me, but difficulty understanding you.
That does not surprise me, as the RE'ers are mainly ignorant to the issue.

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Don't get me wrong, engy, I like you a lot, but I don't like this weird issue you have. Chill out.
Wanting to educate people is a horrible issue to have.  I am so ashamed...
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Re: The New Theory
« Reply #53 on: January 31, 2008, 11:26:28 AM »
FUQ the FAQ is faptastic.
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Re: The New Theory
« Reply #54 on: January 31, 2008, 11:29:02 AM »
No, I don't. Sadly, it is a product of not having reached college yet  ;D

About the rest of it, understand this. The people who understand you, understand the point you make, but use different terminology because the misconception is widespread(FE and RE). It's as ingrained as biting your nails to some people. May not be good, or right, but its harmless. Those who don't...are never gonna learn, and if they do, they'll do it another way. You just annoy the rest of the universe.

There's an old quote about soap and cleaning others.
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Re: The New Theory
« Reply #55 on: January 31, 2008, 11:31:15 AM »
My original question referred to the history and the future of the conspiracy.  how we're going to dig it out of this "gravity" mess is a mystery...
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Re: The New Theory
« Reply #56 on: January 31, 2008, 11:35:34 AM »
Quote from: fshy94 on January 31, 2008, 11:29:02 AM
You just annoy the rest of the universe.
Hmm...I guess always being wrong would get annoying after a while.   
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Re: The New Theory
« Reply #57 on: January 31, 2008, 11:37:19 AM »
Whoa, if you want to make this personal, I'll show you the door to the Angry Ranting Forum.  This area is purely for DEBATING.
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Re: The New Theory
« Reply #58 on: January 31, 2008, 11:37:42 AM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on January 31, 2008, 11:35:34 AM
Quote from: fshy94 on January 31, 2008, 11:29:02 AM
You just annoy the rest of the universe.
Hmm...I guess always being wrong would get annoying after a while.   
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You just annoy the rest of the universe.
Hmm...I guess always being wrong would get annoying after a while.   

Which is precisely my point about ego. You do not deny it.
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Re: The New Theory
« Reply #59 on: January 31, 2008, 11:38:12 AM »
We are debating my desire to educate people.
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