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How Do I Prove RE??

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Chase_the_Bass

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How Do I Prove RE??
« on: January 29, 2008, 08:50:29 PM »
If I were to take the big FE guys from this forum on a plane trip from South Africa to Sydney, and we all brought our own stopwatches, and we had extensive navigation equipment that would accurately measure our speed, and the time came out in RE favor. Would you then believe?

Or if we were to travel North to the North Pole, then south to the South Pole, then North again and ended up where we started would you believe RE?

I am just wondering what would be necessary to prove RE save going into space and seeing Earth. Which, according to FE isn't possible.

Also what about the Virgin Space ride thing that is in the works. Do you think if it happens that it will be fake?

I am not disrespectful in anyway, just wondering :)
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Re: How Do I Prove RE??
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2008, 09:04:04 PM »
You can't prove RE.

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Re: How Do I Prove RE??
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2008, 09:16:40 PM »
Thanks. Oh wait. What's that other one...Screw You? You have to raise the pitch at the end.

ANYWAYS. What I was asking was if you experienced these things would you at least have serious doubts about FE? And what about the Virgin Mobile Space Flights? Commercial space flight would pretty much be the stake through the heart for FE. But of course, that's assuming that Space Flight is possible. Which, I think it is.

EDIT: I might as well just forget this thread and make a Commercial Space Flight: Death of FE? Thread.
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Re: How Do I Prove RE??
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2008, 09:29:03 PM »
Quote from: Chase_the_Bass on January 29, 2008, 09:16:40 PM
Thanks. Oh wait. What's that other one...Screw You? You have to raise the pitch at the end.

ANYWAYS. What I was asking was if you experienced these things would you at least have serious doubts about FE? And what about the Virgin Mobile Space Flights? Commercial space flight would pretty much be the stake through the heart for FE. But of course, that's assuming that Space Flight is possible. Which, I think it is.

EDIT: I might as well just forget this thread and make a Commercial Space Flight: Death of FE? Thread.
Here is the thing. I wasn't insulting you. There is no way to prove anything. That is the point.

Now why don't you look down the end of the gun with a hole in it and see if you can see how fast the bullet comes out.
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Re: How Do I Prove RE??
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2008, 09:36:22 PM »
Well you appear to be deep enough in the closet to find the gun, go ahead and get it for me.

And you can prove it. Unless you want to look at it from a philosophical standpoint rather than a scientific. To say you can't prove anything is ignorant.

You know, I really don't want to start here like this. Water under the bridge? In my forum experience /thread is usually like saying "You're wrong, I'm right, end of story." which I find somewhat insulting.
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Re: How Do I Prove RE??
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2008, 09:40:14 PM »
Quote from: Chase_the_Bass on January 29, 2008, 09:36:22 PM
Well you appear to be deep enough in the closet to find the gun, go ahead and get it for me.

And you can prove it. Unless you want to look at it from a philosophical standpoint rather than a scientific. To say you can't prove anything is ignorant.

You know, I really don't want to start here like this. Water under the bridge? In my forum experience /thread is usually like saying "You're wrong, I'm right, end of story." which I find somewhat insulting.
I'm cool with you. Just helping. Scientifically you can't prove things. Proving things is reserved for math.

And since you were nice, this site is basically a joke. No one here believes the Earth is flat. So trying to prove something to them is just getting pulled into it.

Have fun.
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Re: How Do I Prove RE??
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2008, 09:43:08 PM »
...this site isn't real? Damn. It's convincing as hell.

What about that Tom guy? He's playing along?
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Re: How Do I Prove RE??
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2008, 10:23:13 PM »
Several of us believe in a flat earth.
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Re: How Do I Prove RE??
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Re: How Do I Prove RE??
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2008, 10:34:07 PM »
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If I were to take the big FE guys from this forum on a plane trip from South Africa to Sydney, and we all brought our own stopwatches, and we had extensive navigation equipment that would accurately measure our speed, and the time came out in RE favor. Would you then believe?

No. A complete circumnavigation of the lower Southern Hemisphere would be necessary. There's no real map of the Flat Earth; we don't know the exact distance between continents or the exact size of the oceans. We just know that the layout looks something like the United Nations emblem.

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Or if we were to travel North to the North Pole, then south to the South Pole, then North again and ended up where we started would you believe RE?

A North-South circumnavigation world work provided you could demonstrate that you did not deviate into a parabolic curve while crossing Antarctica. There are a few difficulties with a trans-Antarctic journey, since the compass does not work within the entire Antarctic Circle due to vertical field lines.

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Also what about the Virgin Space ride thing that is in the works. Do you think if it happens that it will be fake?

The Virgin Galactic rides which take you to the edge of space are real. The passengers are looking down at the circular spotlight of the sun.

Flat Earth Theory holds that there is elliptical curvature from the edge of space, one hundred miles in altitude. Any photograph showing a curved elliptical horizon from very high altitudes poses no affront to FE.

Example: http://www.natrium42.com/halo/flight2/

Curvature results from the fact that on a flat earth we are looking down at the circular spotlight of the sun. A circle is always curved in two dimensions.

The distant continents of the earth are still tens of thousands of miles away horizontally from the observer at an altitude of 100 miles (edge of space), and thus beyond the resolution of the human eye and merged with the line of the horizon, indiscernible and faded with the thickness of the atmosphere. This is why the view is limited to the immediate vicinity below the observer, and why the land fades into a blueish fog as it recedes.

We can confirm that we are looking down at the sun's circle of light upon the earth by noting that shots from amateur high altitude balloons show an elliptical horizon. If the earth were a globe, curving downwards in three dimensions, all curvature seen in photographs should appear as an arc of a circle.
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Re: How Do I Prove RE??
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2008, 10:51:31 PM »
What about if we added connecting or nonconnecting flights from Sao Paolo to Sydney, and Sao Paolo to Johhanesberg. Sorta like last time we had this argument...
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Re: How Do I Prove RE??
« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2008, 10:53:08 PM »
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Re: How Do I Prove RE??
« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2008, 10:57:16 PM »
Sorry, Tom just annoys me. BTW, if you don't like something in a post, you're a mod, just edit it out. If you're worried about being rude, don't be when it comes to my posts.
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Re: How Do I Prove RE??
« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2008, 10:58:56 PM »
Why should I edit it when you can just not post it?
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Re: How Do I Prove RE??
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2008, 11:02:14 PM »
Because clearly it irks you, and clearly I find it difficult not to express my hate for Tom. And this would have been better suited to a PM. Now, can we get on topic? If you have more to say to me on this, PM me.
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Re: How Do I Prove RE??
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2008, 11:09:13 PM »
Quote from: fshy94 on January 29, 2008, 11:02:14 PM
Because clearly it irks you
It's a rule violation.  I won't have to PM you since you won't be doing it anymore.
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Re: How Do I Prove RE??
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2008, 05:44:24 AM »
Quote from: Chase_the_Bass on January 29, 2008, 09:43:08 PM
...this site isn't real? Damn. It's convincing as hell.

What about that Tom guy? He's playing along?
Considering he is not real, he has no choice but to play along.
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Re: How Do I Prove RE??
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2008, 08:01:05 AM »
Short answer: You can't prove RE, because FE'ers will just throw it back in your face, say 'lol gtfo' and then spew out some reinforced bullshit invented by Tom Bishop.



Long answer: With difficulty.




wait. I got the answers the wrong way round.
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Re: How Do I Prove RE??
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2008, 08:20:04 AM »
Quote from: Saint Raist on January 29, 2008, 09:29:03 PM
Quote from: Chase_the_Bass on January 29, 2008, 09:16:40 PM
Thanks. Oh wait. What's that other one...Screw You? You have to raise the pitch at the end.

ANYWAYS. What I was asking was if you experienced these things would you at least have serious doubts about FE? And what about the Virgin Mobile Space Flights? Commercial space flight would pretty much be the stake through the heart for FE. But of course, that's assuming that Space Flight is possible. Which, I think it is.

EDIT: I might as well just forget this thread and make a Commercial Space Flight: Death of FE? Thread.
Here is the thing. I wasn't insulting you. There is no way to prove anything. That is the point.

Now why don't you look down the end of the gun with a hole in it and see if you can see how fast the bullet comes out.

Actually, since the Earth's shape is a FACT, and not a theory, it can be proven. The simplest way to do it, is to face the obvious truth. In our case it would mean going into outer space and seeing it from a large distance, so that you can encompass it all in your field of view. Since our field of view is about 110° and, acccording to RET, the radius of the Earth is about 6,370 km, we would have to go at least a distance x from the center, such that:

sin55° = 6,370 km/x => x = 6,370 km/(sin55°) = 7,770 km

or just at height 7,770 km - 6,370 km = 1,400 km above the Earth's surface. Note that this is lower than the figure given for the height of the Sun and the Moon in FET.

If FE-ers say that a disc also looks as a circle from distance, look at it from a different angle. If it is a sphere, it will not change its apparent shape. If it's a disk, on the other hand, the circle might seem as an ellipse.

If someone does not believe even after this, they should be treated as not able to comerhend ideas and excluded from further discussions.
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Re: How Do I Prove RE??
« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2008, 08:21:27 AM »
that's right, this site is run by the FErs, so trying to convince them of anything is a total waste of time.

Tom bishop is sometimes good for a laugh because his posts are so silly. no one else believes his "spotlight" nonsense!

edit: take a look at this picture:
http://astropaul.com/myhome/space/earth/apollo/originals/10075297-11.jpg
of course, Tom would say "it must be fake because it's by NASA and everyone at NASA must be a liar just because I say so"...
and watch this video:
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Re: How Do I Prove RE??
« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2008, 09:26:55 AM »
Quote from: Bushido on January 30, 2008, 08:20:04 AM

Actually, since the Earth's shape is a FACT, and not a theory, it can be proven. The simplest way to do it, is to face the obvious truth. In our case it would mean going into outer space and seeing it from a large distance, so that you can encompass it all in your field of view.

A scientific fact is an objective and verifiable observation; a theory explains those observations.  We cannot (as of yet) directly objectively observe and verify that the Earth is round (nor will we ever be able to!)  NASA is hardly objective.

Unless of course, you blindly accept NASAs word on good faith, despite evidence to the contrary.
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Re: How Do I Prove RE??
« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2008, 09:28:35 AM »
Quote from: Username on January 30, 2008, 09:26:55 AM
Quote from: Bushido on January 30, 2008, 08:20:04 AM

Actually, since the Earth's shape is a FACT, and not a theory, it can be proven. The simplest way to do it, is to face the obvious truth. In our case it would mean going into outer space and seeing it from a large distance, so that you can encompass it all in your field of view.

A scientific fact is an objective and verifiable observation; a theory explains those observations.  We cannot (as of yet) directly objectively observe and verify that the Earth is round (nor will we ever be able to!)

What makes you be so sure?
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Re: How Do I Prove RE??
« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2008, 09:30:05 AM »
You are right, I could be wrong.  I'm not claiming it is a scientific fact that the Earth is flat.
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Re: How Do I Prove RE??
« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2008, 09:31:17 AM »
Are there other facts than scientific?

For example, what about the statement:

"It is raining outside."
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Re: How Do I Prove RE??
« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2008, 09:39:52 AM »
Yes there are other kinds of facts.

Legal Facts, for example...
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Re: How Do I Prove RE??
« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2008, 09:51:15 AM »
I do not think the shape of the Earth is a scientific fact, do you?
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« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2008, 09:52:40 AM »
Why not? A scientific fact has evidence and universal scientific consensus. That's all.

This does. As does the rain. Legal facts...not so much.
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Re: How Do I Prove RE??
« Reply #27 on: January 30, 2008, 09:54:37 AM »
Quote from: Bushido on January 30, 2008, 09:51:15 AM
I do not think the shape of the Earth is a scientific fact, do you?
What kind of "FACT" do you think it is then?  It seemed like you were referring to a sciencetific one as you constrasted it to theories.  

"Its raining outside" would probably fit under a scientific fact, if it was indeed raining outside at a given location/time/etc.
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Re: How Do I Prove RE??
« Reply #28 on: January 30, 2008, 09:55:11 AM »
Actually, at any rate, Username, what do you think about that example with airline flights I made before? It seems to be fairly conclusive, and its interesting to see what FE'ers think about that. Tom decided there were superfast jet streams for that, and  Dogplatter reasoned that there must be faster planes that anyone lets on, but what do you think? You temporarily conceded the point before, but I'm wondering what you think now. I note that both explanations require a superfast plane, so if anyone took an accelerometer on board, it would be over.
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Re: How Do I Prove RE??
« Reply #29 on: January 30, 2008, 09:56:36 AM »
Quote from: fshy94 on January 30, 2008, 09:52:40 AM
Why not? A scientific fact has evidence and universal scientific consensus. That's all.

This does. As does the rain. Legal facts...not so much.
A scientific fact is observable by anyone and everyone who observes it would come up with the same conclusion.  That is not really the case with the Earth's shape, which is only observed through phenomenon.  Unless of course, you are NASA.  Which most people aren't.  In which case, their observations are not really objective (they certainly have a stake in it either way.)
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