Shuttle crashs

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Re: Shuttle crashs
« Reply #300 on: June 26, 2008, 01:08:32 PM »
Or admit that the technology was available for use since the 60's. I think I'll choose that one.
Or admit that ESCO didn't even do full scale testing of EMAS until 1996.  You fail.

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Re: Shuttle crashs
« Reply #301 on: June 26, 2008, 01:09:08 PM »
You amuse me. I wish I was so young and confident of everything I know.
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Re: Shuttle crashs
« Reply #302 on: June 26, 2008, 01:15:22 PM »
You amuse me. I wish I was so young and confident of everything I know.

You sure did act confident when you pretended they could have been using EMAS prior to 1996.  Glad I caught your lie.

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Re: Shuttle crashs
« Reply #303 on: June 26, 2008, 01:21:56 PM »
There was no lie there. Why couldn't they use a commercially unavailable product that was already developed? I still haven't seen the quote that shows I ever said they used EMAS to begin with.
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Re: Shuttle crashs
« Reply #304 on: June 26, 2008, 01:22:59 PM »
There was no lie there. Why couldn't they use a commercially unavailable product that was already developed? I still haven't seen the quote that shows I ever said they used EMAS to begin with.
Already developed my ass, they hadn't even tested it full scale until 1996.

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Re: Shuttle crashs
« Reply #305 on: June 26, 2008, 01:42:12 PM »
What part of developed in the 60's didn't you understand? The fact a modified version was made available later in 1996 tells me little. You're definitely in the nit-pick now. Especially as I never claimed any NASA site has ever used EMAS. I only mentioned it would improve the safety margin if they had used it.

All my references to EMAS before your latest bitch-fest:

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If the site NASA uses for landings has EMAS (again, I don't know that it is Lajes, but that might be an adequate if slightly less than ideal site), then a shuttle could land farther than midway down the runway and still manage a minimum of damage

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If you are willing to spend the money, I would bet the use of EMAS would enable an even shorter strip to be used (though with a smaller safety margin in the event of accidental overshoot).

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Great. My claim has never been that they used Lajes specifically or exclusively. Though I still think you've done a piss-poor job of showing how impossible it is. The runway would be of sufficient length and EMAS would prevent damage in all but the most extreme circumstances.

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Re: Shuttle crashs
« Reply #306 on: June 26, 2008, 01:45:19 PM »
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The runway would be of sufficient length and EMAS would prevent damage in all but the most extreme circumstances.


Ski, you're a patholigically lying bitch.  EMAS didn't exist.  Win for RE.

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Re: Shuttle crashs
« Reply #307 on: June 26, 2008, 01:48:54 PM »
lol  Are you French?

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Re: Shuttle crashs
« Reply #308 on: June 26, 2008, 02:27:38 PM »
Ski, you're a patholigically lying bitch.  EMAS didn't exist.  Win for RE.

Why is it necessary to resort to personal attacks?  If you can't prove your point, don't reduce yourself in this way.  It's poor form and makes you sound pathetic. 
Well because of your immaturity and unnatural ignorance you have failed at another post.

Re: Shuttle crashs
« Reply #309 on: June 26, 2008, 03:45:55 PM »
Why should people resort to tricks to win arguments or discredit someone?

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Re: Shuttle crashs
« Reply #310 on: June 26, 2008, 03:57:11 PM »
If you can't offend with substance, at least offend with style. 
Well because of your immaturity and unnatural ignorance you have failed at another post.

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Re: Shuttle crashs
« Reply #311 on: June 27, 2008, 01:10:06 AM »
What do you mean "where is it"? What kind of a question is that to ask? Can you catagorically say there is no traffic of said size to the cape? Can you?
Having driven the roads going to and from kennedy many times late at night, I can categorically say there is no traffic of said size at that time.  You could see the guard gates, there was no one coming or going.  And when traffic starts letting out of the cape before 5 every day, you find out about it real fast.  You could almost set your watch to it.

Which is not a definite no. Just a statement about your rush hour experiences.
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Re: Shuttle crashs
« Reply #312 on: June 27, 2008, 11:18:38 AM »
Ski, you're a patholigically lying bitch.  EMAS didn't exist.  Win for RE.

Why is it necessary to resort to personal attacks?  If you can't prove your point, don't reduce yourself in this way.  It's poor form and makes you sound pathetic. 
Why is it necessary for you to be offended by my personal attacks?  If the shoe fits, wear it.  I already pointed out how EMAS didn't exist back then, I proved my damn point, ski continues to lie.  If you can't take the heat, get off the internet.  This is a stupid nutjob forum, not a hall of academia.
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messierhunter

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Re: Shuttle crashs
« Reply #313 on: June 27, 2008, 11:19:50 AM »
What do you mean "where is it"? What kind of a question is that to ask? Can you catagorically say there is no traffic of said size to the cape? Can you?
Having driven the roads going to and from kennedy many times late at night, I can categorically say there is no traffic of said size at that time.  You could see the guard gates, there was no one coming or going.  And when traffic starts letting out of the cape before 5 every day, you find out about it real fast.  You could almost set your watch to it.

Which is not a definite no. Just a statement about your rush hour experiences.
Maybe you didn't read.  I drove right past the guard gate constantly late at night and even early in the morning; there's no activity at all at night.  Where are these phantom workers of yours?

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Re: Shuttle crashs
« Reply #314 on: June 27, 2008, 12:48:22 PM »
Ski, you're a patholigically lying bitch.  EMAS didn't exist.  Win for RE.

Why is it necessary to resort to personal attacks?  If you can't prove your point, don't reduce yourself in this way.  It's poor form and makes you sound pathetic. 
Why is it necessary for you to be offended by my personal attacks?  If the shoe fits, wear it.  I already pointed out how EMAS didn't exist back then, I proved my damn point, ski continues to lie.  If you can't take the heat, get off the internet.  This is a stupid nutjob forum, not a hall of academia.

So you're including yourself in in the "stupid nutjob" category I trust?  But honestly, if you can't make your point clearly, coherently, and with a minimum of insults, personal attacks and other idiocy, why should anyone take any of what you say seriously?  Whether you agree or disagree with someone else's point of view, you should still be able to be civil. 

Otherwise, the natural tendency would be for us to lump you into "useless troll" as well as "stupid nutjob". 
Well because of your immaturity and unnatural ignorance you have failed at another post.

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« Reply #315 on: June 27, 2008, 12:52:47 PM »
The only reason RE hasn't won yet is that just about all REers that come here are trolls that nobody can make sense of/ be bothered listening to.
No but I'm guess your what? 90? Cause you just so darn mature </sarcasm>

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Re: Shuttle crashs
« Reply #316 on: June 27, 2008, 01:25:57 PM »
Messier is like a new version of sokarul; more content in posts, but still hostile, berating and plain ignorant.
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Re: Shuttle crashs
« Reply #317 on: June 27, 2008, 02:09:58 PM »
He is, most definitely, an angry young man.  I think we can all agree on that. 
Well because of your immaturity and unnatural ignorance you have failed at another post.

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Re: Shuttle crashs
« Reply #318 on: June 27, 2008, 02:12:06 PM »
Still, better than the Sockster. Eventually they'll evolve to human-like beasts.
No but I'm guess your what? 90? Cause you just so darn mature </sarcasm>

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Re: Shuttle crashs
« Reply #319 on: June 28, 2008, 12:29:05 AM »
I miss Sokky :( I was gonna go round his for tea but now I'll never have a chance
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« Reply #320 on: June 28, 2008, 12:33:30 AM »
I miss Sokky :( I was gonna go round his for tea but now I'll never have a chance

You don't have to live with him. 

I win.

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« Reply #321 on: June 28, 2008, 12:40:20 AM »
I miss Sokky :( I was gonna go round his for tea but now I'll never have a chance

You don't have to live with him. 

I win.

Will you invite me round for tea so I can see him?
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Re: Shuttle crashs
« Reply #322 on: June 30, 2008, 10:47:39 AM »
Ski, you're a patholigically lying bitch.  EMAS didn't exist.  Win for RE.

Why is it necessary to resort to personal attacks?  If you can't prove your point, don't reduce yourself in this way.  It's poor form and makes you sound pathetic. 
Why is it necessary for you to be offended by my personal attacks?  If the shoe fits, wear it.  I already pointed out how EMAS didn't exist back then, I proved my damn point, ski continues to lie.  If you can't take the heat, get off the internet.  This is a stupid nutjob forum, not a hall of academia.

So you're including yourself in in the "stupid nutjob" category I trust?  But honestly, if you can't make your point clearly, coherently, and with a minimum of insults, personal attacks and other idiocy, why should anyone take any of what you say seriously?  Whether you agree or disagree with someone else's point of view, you should still be able to be civil. 
Ski lost the privaledge of being treated with civility the moment he dropped any attempt to maintain intellectual honesty and started resorting to lies.  Refusing to acknowledge the validity of one's argument because of foul language is a terrible excuse to maintain and support ignorance.  Ethical debating went out the window here long before I started becoming hostile, and frankly, since that seems to be the only way you can attack my argument I'd say it reflects quite poorly on your own critical thinking skills.

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« Reply #323 on: June 30, 2008, 10:54:53 AM »
Messier wins as usual. Ski is one of those people on here who committed to FE and will do anything in his power to defend it no matter the consequencies or the academic integrity.

Besides it is very difficult to differentiate between the actual FEr's on this site and the trolls. Both are annoying but only one is delusional.

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« Reply #324 on: June 30, 2008, 10:56:15 AM »
Ski lost the privaledge of being treated with civility the moment he dropped any attempt to maintain intellectual honesty and started resorting to lies.  Refusing to acknowledge the validity of one's argument because of foul language is a terrible excuse to maintain and support ignorance.  Ethical debating went out the window here long before I started becoming hostile, and frankly, since that seems to be the only way you can attack my argument I'd say it reflects quite poorly on your own critical thinking skills.

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« Reply #325 on: June 30, 2008, 11:03:37 AM »
Ski lost the privaledge of being treated with civility the moment he dropped any attempt to maintain intellectual honesty and started resorting to lies.  Refusing to acknowledge the validity of one's argument because of foul language is a terrible excuse to maintain and support ignorance.  Ethical debating went out the window here long before I started becoming hostile, and frankly, since that seems to be the only way you can attack my argument I'd say it reflects quite poorly on your own critical thinking skills.

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Re: Shuttle crashs
« Reply #326 on: June 30, 2008, 11:06:08 AM »
Ski lost the privaledge of being treated with civility the moment he dropped any attempt to maintain intellectual honesty and started resorting to lies.  Refusing to acknowledge the validity of one's argument because of foul language is a terrible excuse to maintain and support ignorance.  Ethical debating went out the window here long before I started becoming hostile, and frankly, since that seems to be the only way you can attack my argument I'd say it reflects quite poorly on your own critical thinking skills.

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You think I'm unintentionally funny?  Oh, because you think I lied and faked my picture, therefore I don't deserve to be treated with civility either, right?  Funny how you FE trolls pretend to be so confident in your "theory" yet you would never put it to the test by actually attending a public viewing of the ISS.

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Re: Shuttle crashs
« Reply #327 on: June 30, 2008, 01:32:10 PM »
Ski lost the privaledge of being treated with civility the moment he dropped any attempt to maintain intellectual honesty and started resorting to lies.  Refusing to acknowledge the validity of one's argument because of foul language is a terrible excuse to maintain and support ignorance.  Ethical debating went out the window here long before I started becoming hostile, and frankly, since that seems to be the only way you can attack my argument I'd say it reflects quite poorly on your own critical thinking skills.

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Re: Shuttle crashs
« Reply #328 on: June 30, 2008, 01:45:22 PM »
Ski lost the privaledge of being treated with civility the moment he dropped any attempt to maintain intellectual honesty and started resorting to lies. 

I'm reasonably certain I've demonstrated a great deal of civility (if not respect you have not earned) through the entire conversation. Your inability to admit error is not my fault. I stand by any of my statements made in this thread and will let the readers decide for themselves whose argument has more merit.
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« Reply #329 on: June 30, 2008, 01:59:03 PM »
Ski lost the privaledge of being treated with civility the moment he dropped any attempt to maintain intellectual honesty and started resorting to lies.  Refusing to acknowledge the validity of one's argument because of foul language is a terrible excuse to maintain and support ignorance.  Ethical debating went out the window here long before I started becoming hostile, and frankly, since that seems to be the only way you can attack my argument I'd say it reflects quite poorly on your own critical thinking skills.

First off, its "privilege".  I know that the Internet is hard to use and it doesn't provide you with all kinds of online dictionaries, but if you could make the effort, it'd really be appreciated by those of us who have to sort through your inanity. 

The only "lie" I saw was him conjuring up a faked image of the ISS and lying about the source in an attempt to demonstrate how easy it is to do.  A ruse, by the way, that you bought into wholeheartedly and immediately started passing off as genuine.  You became abusive primarily after he revealed his ruse and demonstrated you to have been fooled.  The fact that you fell for his ruse demonstrated his point if he can be convincing with 5 minutes' effort, that a larger organization such as NASA, with an axe to grind and a large budget, could easily be much more convincing.  In that, he made his point excellently and everyone had a good chuckle at your expense.  The fact that you continue to throw a hissy fit about it just shows that you're incapable of intelligent, mature discourse. 
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