formation of Earth

Quote from: edlloyd on December 02, 2007, 11:57:51 AM

Quote from: Chris Spaghetti on December 02, 2007, 11:51:42 AM

Quote from: edlloyd on December 02, 2007, 11:39:30 AM

Quote from: Mr. Ireland on December 02, 2007, 11:22:21 AM

So if I were to just sit around and think 'God stepping on Earth made it flat', would you say it's a theory?

Do you like to argue or something?

Did Einstein have a massive budget to formulate his ideas? Did Newton? No yet they came up with theories.

So a theory of how the earth was formed in FE could be done without a massive budget or indeed even a budget.

A hypothesis could. but measurement equipment, geotechnical analysis and astronomical data would be hard to acquire for free. do you honestly believe that you could put together a near-accurate model of the Round Earth's formation, on your own, without the benefit of already knowing it without a sizeable research fund?

Not asking for near accurate...just asking does anyone have an idea as to how a FE could form? an Idea does not require money. To test it, yes. The Greeks knew the earth was round though? Sizeable reseach fund they had? No. But an idea at least. Point being..you would an idea of something before you went off and tested for it. But you have none.

 

Once again....

So we've gone from theory to idea I see.  You should have something to base your idea on before making it.  If you have an idea that 'all flowers in bloom will be pink' before actually observing some flowers in bloom, then your idea is meaningless.  Kind of like the FE theory of how the earth formed.  We haven't gone out and made observations that could lead us to conclusions as to how the earth formed, so simply 'making something up', or, having an idea, is almost meaningless.  It would cost money to make an educated guess, even, as to how the earth formed.

Semantics...whatever.

Did einstein need a massive budget to theorize special relativity? No...he  even waited some years for experiments to prove some parts.

We're asking if you have an idea/theory, something, as to how earth formed. Yes or no?

Ideas/theories can come first without experiments and vice versa.

You have to construct a theory about the past based on what you know about the present.

Exactly!  We don't know anything about the present earth's features (relating to its formation) so we can't come up with any reasonable idea as to how it formed.

That spinning and shearing there isn't much to expand on.  There would just be a really big piece of molten rock that would have been spinning quickly (causing it to 'plane' out into a flatter area) while also being influenced by outside factors (which could be anything)  It would have at some point come in contact with dark energy (causing its acceleration) and been implanted with life.

Semantics...whatever.

Did einstein need a massive budget to theorize special relativity? No...he  even waited some years for experiments to prove some parts.

We're asking if you have an idea/theory, something, as to how earth formed. Yes or no?

Ideas/theories can come first without experiments and vice versa.

Einstein would need to be gathering some evidence for special relativity.  Just him saying 'this is how it works' doesn't make it a theory.  I've given you an idea as to how it formed.  Try actually reading what's being written.  You can't have a theory if it's just an idea.

Quote from: GazMcB on December 02, 2007, 12:19:37 PM

You have to construct a theory about the past based on what you know about the present.

Exactly!  We don't know anything about the present earth's features (relating to its formation) so we can't come up with any reasonable idea as to how it formed.

That spinning and shearing there isn't much to expand on.  There would just be a really big piece of molten rock that would have been spinning quickly (causing it to 'plane' out into a flatter area) while also being influenced by outside factors (which could be anything)  It would have at some point come in contact with dark energy (causing its acceleration) and been implanted with life.

So I can't rule out god as well then...

Quote from: edlloyd on December 02, 2007, 12:20:21 PM

Semantics...whatever.

Did einstein need a massive budget to theorize special relativity? No...he  even waited some years for experiments to prove some parts.

We're asking if you have an idea/theory, something, as to how earth formed. Yes or no?

Ideas/theories can come first without experiments and vice versa.

Einstein would need to be gathering some evidence for special relativity.  Just him saying 'this is how it works' doesn't make it a theory.  I've given you an idea as to how it formed.  Try actually reading what's being written.  You can't have a theory if it's just an idea.

And then I asked you how the intial bit might have formed. You didn't answer. Try reading...

So I can't rule out god as well then...

What?

Question:

We're asking if you have an idea/theory, something, as to how earth formed. Yes or no?

I've already given you one.

And then I asked you how the intial bit might have formed. You didn't answer. Try reading...

You want to know how rock is made?

Quote from: GazMcB on December 02, 2007, 12:19:37 PM

You have to construct a theory about the past based on what you know about the present.

Exactly!  We don't know anything about the present earth's features (relating to its formation) so we can't come up with any reasonable idea as to how it formed.

That spinning and shearing there isn't much to expand on.  There would just be a really big piece of molten rock that would have been spinning quickly (causing it to 'plane' out into a flatter area) while also being influenced by outside factors (which could be anything)  It would have at some point come in contact with dark energy (causing its acceleration) and been implanted with life.

Ok, fair enough. Thanks for your answer. Just wondering aswell though, when you say that you have know idea about the present Earths features, what do you mean exaxtly?  I mean you have an idea on the size of the Earth, what the map probably looks like, an ice wall around the exterior etc.  What do you mean by 'Earths features (relating to its formation)' exactly.  I asume you mean features like for Round Earth theory you have craters.  E.g on the moon, or mercury etc there are lots of craters illustrating it's formation. They have not been weathered away like they mostly have on Earth, because they have no atmosphere or water.    

Question:

Quote from: edlloyd on December 02, 2007, 12:20:21 PM

We're asking if you have an idea/theory, something, as to how earth formed. Yes or no?

I've already given you one.

Quote from: edlloyd on December 02, 2007, 12:32:10 PM

And then I asked you how the intial bit might have formed. You didn't answer. Try reading...

You want to know how rock is made?

Yeah...how do you reckon it came together without the aid of gravity?

Ok, fair enough. Thanks for your answer. Just wondering aswell though, when you say that you have know idea about the present Earths features, what do you mean exaxtly?  I mean you have an idea on the size of the Earth, what the map probably looks like, an ice wall around the exterior etc.  What do you mean by 'Earths features (relating to its formation)' exactly.  I asume you mean features like for Round Earth theory you have craters.  E.g on the moon, or mercury etc there are lots of craters illustrating it's formation. They have not been weathered away like they mostly have on Earth, because they have no atmosphere or water.   

I mean we don't have information about the earth that would allow us to come to a reasonable conclusion as to how it was formed.  Sure, we know stuff about the earth, but we don't know stuff about the earth that will allow us to put pieces together and figure out roughly how it was formed.

Yeah...how do you reckon it came together without the aid of gravity?

Well, gravity isn't what's holding a rock together, that's for sure.  But there could be numerous ideas as to how enough matter came together to make up the earth.  Go ahead and make something up, that's as good of an answer as we'll be able to provide with our no-budget plan.

ah right. what kinda stuff do you mean? like the geology, or more about what the rest of the solar system is like?

ah right. what kinda stuff do you mean? like the geology, or more about what the rest of the solar system is like?

Well, if there was sheering involved, there should be marks left, right (assuming it was occurring during the earth's solid phase).  So, information like marks from shearing would be helpful in determining how the earth was formed.

Yeah true. You're not gonna find those though, as they would have been weathered away a long time ago, unless you could investigate the bottom of the planet, maybe the marks would remain there.  I think though, that someone could still come up with a plausible theory of the birth of our solar system and our planet, just simply based on the theories FE has at present.  Yeah I know, it obviously can't be completely conclusive as you don't know everything about the planet.  But in the mean time I should think people could take this spinning/shearing theory, assume that there would be marks if they hadn't been eroded away, and develop the idea.   

But in that case all you're really doing is nothing.  It wont help solve anything for FE theory as there's nothing behind it, so it would be a complete waste of time.  You could go ahead and make something for it, but it wont do much good.

it would show that the formation on a flat earth is plausible.  Yeah ok, it wouldn't definately be the correct theory, but it would at least begin to throw possibilities onto the table. I think it's a very important issue in order to believe in a flat Earth. But I don't think we're gonna agree on this matter lol, thanks for the discussion anyway.

There have been legitimate theories posted on the formation of the earth.  Try using a little elbow grease and I'm sure you'll find a suitable thread.