Why do you fear religion?

While it would be wrong to cause any violent acts against homosexuals, it is morally requisite that we lawfully force all homosexuals to paint their homes pink and identify themselves to their neighbors as homosexuals before they are allowed to enter a neighborhood. Think of the children.

hey im christian...
and im bisexual
do i still have to live in a god awful pink home?

While it would be wrong to cause any violent acts against homosexuals, it is morally requisite that we lawfully force all homosexuals to paint their homes pink and identify themselves to their neighbors as homosexuals before they are allowed to enter a neighborhood. Think of the children.

You are trolling. I'm tempted to flip flop because I'm ashamed of somewhat sort of kinda arguing in your favor.

Quote from: Smarticus on November 12, 2007, 12:37:10 PM

While it would be wrong to cause any violent acts against homosexuals, it is morally requisite that we lawfully force all homosexuals to paint their homes pink and identify themselves to their neighbors as homosexuals before they are allowed to enter a neighborhood. Think of the children.

hey im christian...
and im bisexual
do i still have to live in a god awful pink home?

Nah, just the gutters and the window sills.

hey im christian...
and im bisexual

I don't think you understand Christianity. You are no Christian. You are a sexual degenerate, and an idiot though.

Quote from: andersdoessuck on November 13, 2007, 12:02:30 AM

hey im christian...
and im bisexual

I don't think you understand Christianity. You are no Christian. You are a sexual degenerate, and an idiot though.

While I'm certain that you are just trolling, and much like the floating oceans you're just trying to make an ass of yourself, you are not a christian. A Smarticus by any other name is still a jackass - William Shakespeare.

Wrong. I'm not arguing in favor of Christianity, I'm arguing that it's idiotic to blame any one group for shitty laws and ethics. I know atheists who hate homosexuals, and I know Christians who have no problem with them, myself included.

I call bullshit; I think you're bluffing. I think you don't actually know any atheists who hate homosexuals.

And yes, when those shitty laws and ethics follow from a core piece of that group's self-definition (in the case of Christianity, the Bible), it is perfectly reasonable to blame them on said group.

Quote from: SushiTsunami on November 12, 2007, 12:34:27 PM

Wrong. I'm not arguing in favor of Christianity, I'm arguing that it's idiotic to blame any one group for shitty laws and ethics. I know atheists who hate homosexuals, and I know Christians who have no problem with them, myself included.

I call bullshit; I think you're bluffing. I think you don't actually know any atheists who hate homosexuals.

And yes, when those shitty laws and ethics follow from a core piece of that group's self-definition (in the case of Christianity, the Bible), it is perfectly reasonable to blame them on said group.

I think you are dumb. It seems a reasonable assumption, if we're going to just start assuming things about one another. You don't know who I know, and I find it hard (but not impossible) to believe you've never met a homophobic atheist. You're as closed-minded as the radicals you hate.

I don't think you understand Christianity. You are no Christian. You are a sexual degenerate, and an idiot though.
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i understand it and im a damn good christan... if this is how god made me i have to live with it.

i understand it and im a damn good christan... if this is how god made me i have to live with it.

God made me a lover of women, it doesn't mean I pull my pecker out each time I want to nail a broad. Isn't Christianity about self control? Aren't you then exactly the opposite of what you preach? Christian belief is solidly against homosexual acts. You are everything Christianity is not.


Why are the worst "Christians" the first to announce themselves?

who said i acted like that? i have really good self control i just like more people. WHere did i say i have to nail everyone i see?

Condeming Homosexaulity (and Bisexaulity I guess) is like condeming pork or condeming the wearing of mixed fabrics. Modern "Christians" no longer adhere to the latter two. Also trustee, if you're a religious expert then you know all sin (save blasphemy and suicide) weigh equally, so if you sin at all then you have as much sin as some one who commits sodomy.

Oh?

So there's no such thing as the lesser of two evils? Or at least in Christianity?

who said i acted like that? i have really good self control i just like more people. WHere did i say i have to nail everyone i see?

hey im christian...
and im bisexual
do i still have to live in a god awful pink home?

So you're a non-acting bisexual? How are you bisexual exactly?

Condeming Homosexaulity (and Bisexaulity I guess) is like condeming pork or condeming the wearing of mixed fabrics. Modern "Christians" no longer adhere to the latter two. Also trustee, if you're a religious expert then you know all sin (save blasphemy and suicide) weigh equally, so if you sin at all then you have as much sin as some one who commits sodomy.

Christ prioritized some laws. This means some are greater than others. A sin against one is not equal to a sin against another. However, you are right in the sense that not even the least amount of sin can be tolerated in heaven, so it doesn't matter too much which is greater, other than the guilt and earthly hell tied as consequent.

God did condemn homosexuality. If you are saying that Christians no longer adhere to this, then modern day Christians no longer adhere to the law of God, and by what right do they call themselves Christians?

God condemed eating pork. Do you repent after eating pork?

God condemed eating pork. Do you repent after eating pork?

There is a difference between God changing his own law and Christians changing it for him.

That's right!  After millenia of it being forbidden to eat pork, God just changed his mind.  Makes sense, right? 

You're not up on your ancient history are you? Christianity is based on a fulfilment of the Mosaic Law. If God decides mankind is ready for his new law, then yes "after millenia of it being forbidden to eat pork, God just changed his mind." Although he knew he was going to do it, so nothing really changed as far as his mind.

Why was the law there in the first place if it wasn't important enough to include in the "new, easier" version of the religion? 

BTW, I don't see how what you posted means I don't know what I'm talking about.  And calling it "ancient history".  lol.

It wasn't there in the first place... It wasn't Moses and Eve...

And who said Christianity was "easier?"

You're not up on your ancient history are you? Christianity is based on a fulfilment of the Mosaic Law. If God decides mankind is ready for his new law, then yes "after millenia of it being forbidden to eat pork, God just changed his mind." Although he knew he was going to do it, so nothing really changed as far as his mind.

Where in the bible does God say pork is okay to eat? When did He change his mind?

Quote from: dysfunction on November 13, 2007, 01:47:43 PM

Quote from: SushiTsunami on November 12, 2007, 12:34:27 PM

Wrong. I'm not arguing in favor of Christianity, I'm arguing that it's idiotic to blame any one group for shitty laws and ethics. I know atheists who hate homosexuals, and I know Christians who have no problem with them, myself included.

I call bullshit; I think you're bluffing. I think you don't actually know any atheists who hate homosexuals.

And yes, when those shitty laws and ethics follow from a core piece of that group's self-definition (in the case of Christianity, the Bible), it is perfectly reasonable to blame them on said group.

I think you are dumb. It seems a reasonable assumption, if we're going to just start assuming things about one another. You don't know who I know, and I find it hard (but not impossible) to believe you've never met a homophobic atheist. You're as closed-minded as the radicals you hate.

Assume what you like. Any theist who I have ever debated at length will tell you I am very far from closed-minded.

I say that you are bluffing based on my assumption that I know roughly an order of magnitude more atheists than you do, and of them only one is a homophobe, and he is certifiably insane.

Quote from: SushiTsunami on November 13, 2007, 02:05:56 PM

Quote from: dysfunction on November 13, 2007, 01:47:43 PM

Quote from: SushiTsunami on November 12, 2007, 12:34:27 PM

Wrong. I'm not arguing in favor of Christianity, I'm arguing that it's idiotic to blame any one group for shitty laws and ethics. I know atheists who hate homosexuals, and I know Christians who have no problem with them, myself included.

I call bullshit; I think you're bluffing. I think you don't actually know any atheists who hate homosexuals.

And yes, when those shitty laws and ethics follow from a core piece of that group's self-definition (in the case of Christianity, the Bible), it is perfectly reasonable to blame them on said group.

I think you are dumb. It seems a reasonable assumption, if we're going to just start assuming things about one another. You don't know who I know, and I find it hard (but not impossible) to believe you've never met a homophobic atheist. You're as closed-minded as the radicals you hate.

Assume what you like. Any theist who I have ever debated at length will tell you I am very far from closed-minded.

I say that you are bluffing based on my assumption that I know roughly an order of magnitude more atheists than you do, and of them only one is a homophobe, and he is certifiably insane.

How can you assume you know more atheists than I do? And how many atheists equal a magnitude? 15? 500? You're as bad at arguing as Smarticus.

Where in the bible does God say pork is okay to eat? When did He change his mind?

Matthew 5:17-20

Sushi: I'd advise looking up the term 'order of magnitude'.

Quote from: SushiTsunami on November 14, 2007, 06:01:36 PM

Where in the bible does God say pork is okay to eat? When did He change his mind?

Matthew 5:17-20

So then you are agreeing with me.

Sushi: I'd advise looking up the term 'order of magnitude'.

An order of magnitude is the class of scale or magnitude of any amount, where each class contains values of a fixed ratio to the class preceding it. The ratio most commonly used is 10.

Dsyfunction, you don't know every atheist on earth. I'd venture so far as to say you don't even know half of all of the atheists on the earth. You can't pretend to know what all of them believe, or stereotype them so that they all agree with you.

Statistics don't lie. They are predictable and their possible error can be quantified absolutely. Show me one statistic that polled an entire population, and I dont mean results of a 10 participant study.

Quote from: Althalus on November 14, 2007, 08:15:06 PM

Quote from: SushiTsunami on November 14, 2007, 06:01:36 PM

Where in the bible does God say pork is okay to eat? When did He change his mind?

Matthew 5:17-20

So then you are agreeing with me.

No, see above arguments.

Quote from: SushiTsunami on November 15, 2007, 11:48:49 AM

Quote from: Althalus on November 14, 2007, 08:15:06 PM

Quote from: SushiTsunami on November 14, 2007, 06:01:36 PM

Where in the bible does God say pork is okay to eat? When did He change his mind?

Matthew 5:17-20

So then you are agreeing with me.

No, see above arguments.

In that verse Jesus says he did not come to change God's laws. How does that contradict what I said about Christians not being able to eat pork?

Those verses are difficult to understand. Jesus is talking about "The Law and The Prophets." These are names the Jews had for sections of their scripture. Meaning the actual composed work of sacred texts the Jews had at the time. He had not come to change them. He did come to fulfill them, meaning the prophecies contained therein.


Almost the entire Judaic law is in prophetic reference to the coming of their Messiah. Christ, as their Messiah, fulfilled these prophecies, and by so doing, requires their practice no longer. Don't be confused, this doesn't mean He doesn't require the practice of all things He had revealed, only those of the Mosaic law.